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Old 09-03-04, 08:48 AM
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Originally posted by chanster
Keep trying to justify their actions, go ahead. You seem to have a knack of continuing to justify actions on one side of the equation.
Wtf is wrong with you people. Can't you make the difference between justification and understanding? Did you hear me say "it's ok for them to do this because they are desperate?" Give me a break...
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Old 09-03-04, 08:50 AM
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Understanding killing school children? WTF is wrong with you!
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Originally posted by chanster
Understanding killing school children? WTF is wrong with you!
Yes, understanding as in thinking. If you try to understand what led Hitler to kill millions of jews, does that mean you are trying to justify what he did? Your comments are completely idiotic.
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The special envoy for the Italian newspaper La Repubblica says he's seen at least 200 dead bodies.
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Originally posted by eXcentris
Wtf is wrong with you people. Can't you make the difference between justification and understanding?
You don't think we can understand the motives of the terrorists? Well surprise, we can, we just don't give it any credence. I can understand the technical aspects of the terrorists rationale all day long, but I don't think they're justified - I don't think they deserve even a modicum of respect - I don't think they should be defended in the least.
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Old 09-03-04, 08:57 AM
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Yes, understanding as in thinking. If you try to understand what led Hitler to kill millions of jews, does that mean you are trying to justify what he did? Your comments are completely idiotic.
Great. Lets kill all of the terrorists, stamp out their bullshit and then try to understand them. You didn't need to understand Hitler back in the 1940s to say that his actions were evil and needed to be stopped.
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Originally posted by Mutley Hyde
I don't think they should be defended in the least.
For the last time, understanding has absolutely nothing to do with justifying or defending anything.
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Old 09-03-04, 08:58 AM
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Nice personal attacks!!!!
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Old 09-03-04, 09:00 AM
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Originally posted by eXcentris
Did you hear me say "it's ok for them to do this because they are desperate?" Give me a break...
eX, it's painfully obvious where you place fault. You may not be advocating terrorism, and you may not be justifying terrorist acts, but whenever these things come up, you never attempt to 'understand' the attacked, and always try to point out the motives of the attackers. How the hell else are we supposed to interpret this??


"We were not attacked for what we did wrong - we were attacked for what we did right."
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Old 09-03-04, 09:01 AM
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You go through all these threads with light condemnation of terrorists or trying to shift blame and then when challenged you go "of course I condemn them!" only after being challenged.
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Old 09-03-04, 09:06 AM
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Originally posted by Mutley Hyde
eX, it's painfully obvious where you place fault. You may not be advocating terrorism, and you may not be justifying terrorist acts, but whenever these things come up, you never attempt to 'understand' the attacked, and always try to point out the motives of the attackers. How the hell else are we supposed to interpret this??
Hiro asked a question, I was merely trying to answer it. Next time, I'll make sure I check my brain out the door and simply say:"The are all scumbags, who cares why they do it, let's kill them all."

While we're at it we might as well get rid of all criminology departments in universities since according to chanster, we need to kill all the criminals before we start trying to understand their motives.
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Old 09-03-04, 09:07 AM
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I understand the point eX is making. Whether I agree with or not is irrelevant. I do not believe he is in any way an apologist for terrorists and their actions. Further, can we please drop this silly sideline? This is too tragic and important of an event to bicker like this now.
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Old 09-03-04, 09:07 AM
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Originally posted by Mutley Hyde
You don't think we can understand the motives of the terrorists? Well surprise, we can, we just don't give it any credence. I can understand the technical aspects of the terrorists rationale all day long, but I don't think they're justified - I don't think they deserve even a modicum of respect - I don't think they should be defended in the least.
very well said.
i don't know understanding Hitler will achieve anything. you had to send in soldiers to finish the job anyway.
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Mod Note: All of you take a step back and calm down
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settle down guys, settle down, there are no winners here
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Originally posted by Pharoh
I understand the point eX is making. Whether I agree with or not is irrelevant. I do not believe he is in any way an apologist for terrorists and their actions. Further, can we please drop this silly sideline? This is too tragic and important of an event to bicker like this now.
Thank you.
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Originally posted by Grubert
The special envoy for the Italian newspaper La Repubblica says he's seen at least 200 dead bodies.

Reports I am seeing are listing "dozens" of bodies still in the school. Many died when the roof collapsed. A precise count is impossible at this time. At least two hundred former hostages are alreadly hospitalised, with 100 of them being children.
An additional hundred or so others have also been taken for treatment.
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Old 09-03-04, 09:16 AM
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A reports now claims that the bodies of 100 hostages have been found in the gym. No word yet as to the makeup of this group.

The scum got cut off, got scared, ran, the "great" Russian special forces weren't prepared, and this shit happened this way. Damn! This sucks!
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Just keeps getting worse.
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I hope they capture some of the terrorists alive.
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Old 09-03-04, 09:25 AM
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I hope they capture some of the terrorists alive.

At least ten are already confirmed killed.

And for the families, I hope they don't. I do get your point however.
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Off topic; Guys, sorry, but I've got to respond to eX here. After this, I'm more than happy to take it to email.

Originally posted by eXcentris
Hiro asked a question, I was merely trying to answer it. Next time, I'll make sure I check my brain out the door and simply say:"The are all scumbags, who cares why they do it, let's kill them all."
What's wrong with what I said? I agreed that your weren't advocating terrorism or justifying terrorist acts... what more do you want?

The thing is that I understand why the terrorists want to kill people, but I am unwilling to do anything to change their thought process, or to work with them, or to make the world better for them. Before you react to that statement, please read on...

I am unwilling to convert to Islam, and I am unwilling to live in an Islamic state, which is precisely what these people want. I can understand all day that all the Islamicists want is more land to call their own and to rule it by Wahibism, I get it, okay? That's fine and dandy for them, but when it conflicts with free societies, then we have a problem and naturally we have to take sides.



Now, in order to steer this thread back on course, I welcome your response at [email protected].
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Sorry Mutley, I was somewhat pissed when I wrote that.

Let's just drop it ok. Well in this thread anyway.
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Not a problem.

And the last few posts were posted as I was writing that. It seems the situation is indeed very bad. My heart goes out to the Russians.
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1407: 10 hostage-takers killed in shoot-outs - Interfax
1345: More than 100 bodies found in school gym - Interfax
1330: Security services say their assault on school was not planned
1322: More than 400 people injured, officials say
1125: Security forces attack house where some rebels thought to be hiding - reports
1115: All hostages reported out of school
0958: Special forces enter school
0930: School roof said to have collapsed
0905: Explosions and gunfire heard. Soldiers run to building
Saddly, it looks like the initial unconfirmed report of 100+ dead might be correct.
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