Il Mare (Korean version-16/9 DTS)-inside look
01-15-06, 10:41 AM
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I thought I would resurect an old thread before starting a new one...
Anyway, I have the R3 Edko release of Il Mare and I was looking for a better version. I'm most concerned with the subtitles, because this isn't the type of movie that is highly dependant on the transfer.
Anyway, my problem with my release is that many times during the movie, the subtitles are not complete, and will cut off mid-word, somtimes a half of a sentence will not even be shown. So I am wondering if the R3 SE Korea has the same problem. If it doesn't is the translation substantially different? Because people seem to be ripping one of the translations apart. Ppersonally, I didn't think my versions translation was too bad, some sentences could have had better wording, but I didn't think that the translation got in the way of the film (except for the fact that parts of the subs were cropped).
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Anyway, I have the R3 Edko release of Il Mare and I was looking for a better version. I'm most concerned with the subtitles, because this isn't the type of movie that is highly dependant on the transfer.
Anyway, my problem with my release is that many times during the movie, the subtitles are not complete, and will cut off mid-word, somtimes a half of a sentence will not even be shown. So I am wondering if the R3 SE Korea has the same problem. If it doesn't is the translation substantially different? Because people seem to be ripping one of the translations apart. Ppersonally, I didn't think my versions translation was too bad, some sentences could have had better wording, but I didn't think that the translation got in the way of the film (except for the fact that parts of the subs were cropped).
Thanks,
Matthew Zolton
01-15-06, 11:03 AM
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Addendum: I must make a special note of the fact that Il Mare's English subtitles in the Spectrum DVD versions, including its "special edition" re-release, and presumably in the 35mm prints, are some of the very worst ever garnished South Korean films. Nearly every other sentence, if not making hash out of Korean dialogues, is then flat-out incomprehensible. It is disheartening to realize that many non-Korean-speaking fans of this film might have become its fans without understanding what in the name of Gabriel's Trumpet the characters are talking about. I think they deserve better. The English subtitles should be re-done for any future media presentation of Il Mare.
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In terms of subtitles we're in line for another disappointment. The original Korean release featured a very poor set of English subtitles - spelling and grammatical errors were the order of the day and Spectrum haven't taken the opportunity to correct this pretty big fault. It appears that we've got exactly the same set of flawed subtitles present on this release and this is a serious issue. With a film as beautiful and engaging as this, to have to spend time deciphering the on-screen text has the obvious side effect of drawing the viewer out of the film. Very poor.
There is one slight improvement the subtitles can boast over the previous release - their positioning. The improved anamorphic transfer means that the subtitles are positioned correctly this time around.
In terms of subtitles we're in line for another disappointment. The original Korean release featured a very poor set of English subtitles - spelling and grammatical errors were the order of the day and Spectrum haven't taken the opportunity to correct this pretty big fault. It appears that we've got exactly the same set of flawed subtitles present on this release and this is a serious issue. With a film as beautiful and engaging as this, to have to spend time deciphering the on-screen text has the obvious side effect of drawing the viewer out of the film. Very poor.
There is one slight improvement the subtitles can boast over the previous release - their positioning. The improved anamorphic transfer means that the subtitles are positioned correctly this time around.
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01-15-06, 12:20 PM
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So which verison of Il Mare do I have then?
Watched it awhile ago and loved the film...was actually impressed with quality of the subs. After reading this thread, I wanted to check the specs of mine. It's region 1 and from Le Day Multimedia (HK). Couldn't find any info. on it on the web.
Please don't tell me this is a boot.
Watched it awhile ago and loved the film...was actually impressed with quality of the subs. After reading this thread, I wanted to check the specs of mine. It's region 1 and from Le Day Multimedia (HK). Couldn't find any info. on it on the web.
Please don't tell me this is a boot.
01-15-06, 01:01 PM
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Originally Posted by TimeandTide
So which verison of Il Mare do I have then?
Watched it awhile ago and loved the film...was actually impressed with quality of the subs. After reading this thread, I wanted to check the specs of mine. It's region 1 and from Le Day Multimedia (HK). Couldn't find any info. on it on the web.
Please don't tell me this is a boot.
Watched it awhile ago and loved the film...was actually impressed with quality of the subs. After reading this thread, I wanted to check the specs of mine. It's region 1 and from Le Day Multimedia (HK). Couldn't find any info. on it on the web.
Please don't tell me this is a boot.
01-15-06, 05:10 PM
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It makes you wonder if a bootlegger cared enough about the film to pull down corrected subs from the web. Anything is possible I guess. I'd sure like to seen scans of the front and back of the box.
01-15-06, 05:40 PM
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Originally Posted by Jah-Wren Ryel
It makes you wonder if a bootlegger cared enough about the film to pull down corrected subs from the web. Anything is possible I guess. I'd sure like to seen scans of the front and back of the box.
Ah, just noticed the region code on the disk. But definitely NOT region 3 as it plays in my player. Guessing boot then.
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01-15-06, 05:54 PM
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Cover says region 1 (makes no sense, only region 1 is from Tai Seng) but disc itself says region 3. I'd say this is either a boot or a cheap Chinese version. if "Le Day Multimedia" were a legit HK company, I'd have heard about it or at least be able to find out about it on google. There's zilch about that company.
08-12-06, 01:11 AM
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Originally Posted by TimeandTide
08-12-06, 11:54 AM
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08-12-06, 12:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Heliosphann
That's a fairly old comparison that doesn't have the newer remastered Spectrum release or the the Tai Seng DVD.
The only positive point was that the subtitles were at least coherent, if not perfect.
08-12-06, 01:29 PM
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Originally Posted by GHackmann
I can guarantee that you don't want the Tai Seng version. The original Korean audio track is absent, with Cantonese and Mandarin dubs in its place. To add insult to injury, the video was vertically stretched on my 4:3 set; I suspect the video was encoded as 16:9 anamorphic but improperly flagged.
The only positive point was that the subtitles were at least coherent, if not perfect.
The only positive point was that the subtitles were at least coherent, if not perfect.
Yea, I'd heard it wasn't good overall but had good subs. I'd like to get a hold of it just to rip the subs and then put them on a copy of my Spectrum SE release.
08-13-06, 07:59 AM
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Although I'm an owner of the Spectrum SE box set, this question isn't directly related to this fine film (with bad subtitling) but to an indirect reference by one of your Il Mare posters regarding an Asian film titled: THE CLASSIC which they had also recently added to their collections. Can you fill me as to what this is? The only thing with that title on IMDB is "Klassikko" (2001). Is this the movie? What's the plot and its DVD availability.
08-13-06, 08:54 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoug
Although I'm an owner of the Spectrum SE box set, this question isn't directly related to this fine film (with bad subtitling) but to an indirect reference by one of your Il Mare posters regarding an Asian film titled: THE CLASSIC which they had also recently added to their collections. Can you fill me as to what this is? The only thing with that title on IMDB is "Klassikko" (2001). Is this the movie? What's the plot and its DVD availability.
It's been released several times in South Korea; The original Starmax (reviewed here, both as a regular release, and as a wooden box set, both recalled at the director's request because of image problems (tinting in some scenes)), the Starmax rerelease, and the more resent CJ Entertainment rerelease (reviewed here, sorry, in Danish only, but it gives very high marks for both video, audio, particularly the DTS track, and subtitles).
IMO a fairly good, but not great movie.
08-13-06, 11:39 AM
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Originally Posted by TheDoug
Although I'm an owner of the Spectrum SE box set, this question isn't directly related to this fine film (with bad subtitling) but to an indirect reference by one of your Il Mare posters regarding an Asian film titled: THE CLASSIC which they had also recently added to their collections. Can you fill me as to what this is? The only thing with that title on IMDB is "Klassikko" (2001). Is this the movie? What's the plot and its DVD availability.
As far as the original Starmax release being recalled for bad video, that's news to me. Although it's been some time since I've watched the film, I'd have not held onto the DVD if it had serious A/V issues.
08-13-06, 11:54 AM
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Originally Posted by Heliosphann
The Classic is the follow up film from the director of My Sassy Girl. It's a traditional romance story, but it's done very well and I've always liked it more than My Sassy Girl.
As far as the original Starmax release being recalled for bad video, that's news to me. Although it's been some time since I've watched the film, I'd have not held onto the DVD if it had serious A/V issues.
As far as the original Starmax release being recalled for bad video, that's news to me. Although it's been some time since I've watched the film, I'd have not held onto the DVD if it had serious A/V issues.
I always thought it looked just great the way it did, and never sent back my L.E. wooden set.
Must say I much prefer My Sasy Girl over The Classic, though.
08-13-06, 05:06 PM
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Thanks Njal and Heliosphann for both your postings relative to "The Classic." It's only recently I've ordered "My Sassy Girl" due to its reputation as a fun/offbeat/romantic comedy. I have yet to view the American remake of IL MARE, "The Lakehouse" but judging from trailers etc. I think I'll stick with the Korean version which is no classic by any means but is interesting for its originality and performances by the two leads.
08-13-06, 06:00 PM
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I think I'll stick with the Korean version which is no classic by any means but is interesting for its originality and performances by the two leads.
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I know this is bringing this thread back from a long time ago, but what "should" be the version to get if you're going to get it?
Also, is this release by Spectrum (Yes Asia says it was released 2/06) the same as the older one?
New: http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept...id-1004115203/
Original: http://www.dvdasian.com/cgi-bin/dvdasian/20611.html
Also, is this release by Spectrum (Yes Asia says it was released 2/06) the same as the older one?
New: http://global.yesasia.com/en/PrdDept...id-1004115203/
Original: http://www.dvdasian.com/cgi-bin/dvdasian/20611.html