Yes darlings...i'm here. ;)

It cost me $25 I think.

For me? Totally worth it. I don't deal with PAL...as some of you may or may not know. It's worth it for me to not have things 4% faster.

Yea but you have Asian text with the menus! (don't you?). At least this is not an issue with R2/4.

As for the 4% use a propper player or a PC.

Actually...no asian text in the menus. All of my R3 movies have english text in the menus (possibly in addition to asian).

And there are no players that "fix" the speed up. I'm using the best "propper" player...a Malata.

And I'd rather not sit at my computer to watch a movie just to save a couple of bucks.

Doesn't the Malata convert the Pal signal well?

Also, another option would be to find TVs that have both Pal and NTSC.

Should we start from scratch, class?

I don't have time to do the research for you.

You keep posting these ideas that a PAL TV will take away the speed up. IT DOES NOT TAKE AWAY THE SPEED UP. It's on the disc. The movie is 4% faster.

Umm.....does anyone really notice any speedup when viewing something in PAL? (I mean on a PC or a multi system TV)

Class, sometimes I notice it's a bit sped up. You know what though? I don't care. It looks and sounds great to me. It NEVER sounds like "helium voices".

Let digi his own opinion, and me mine - you won't know if PAL speedup distracts you until you've played PAL discs.

Doesn't distract me, and so I'm fine with my foreign anamorphic DTS titles...

The question isn't whether it bothers you.

I think the point Class is making is that on a PAL tv, it will be the same as on an NTSC tv. This is true for sound. It will ALWAYS be sped up.

On a PAL TV, however, it will LOOK better.

But this isn't a debate about the sound because there is none. And I'm not about to get into one with anyone about it. You all know where I stand. But there's no debating fact.

digitalfreaknyc - Why buy a malata if you're not going to use it to play PAL disks? Well I guess you have your reasons..


I think the obvious reasons for people to own and watch PAL DVDs is that many superior DVDs are only released in the PAL format.

The Hong Kong Legends disks alone were enough reason for me to go PAL. Virtually any Hong Kong Legends PAL disk is superior to any version of the film available anywhere (I'd say it's a tie with the french dvd release of the killer because of the bad subs).
And don't compare the disks that are coming out here because they're missing a commentary track which makes them unsuperior.

And what about Ichi the Killer?!!?!? You had to have bought the double disk uncut PAL release!!

Eventually digitalfreaknyc something you'll really want to see will come out in PAL only format. Then you'll be known as a closet PAL viewer and a few years you'll be coming out.

I own one movie in PAL that I don't already own the NTSC version of. That is Frantic. It has NEVER been released in widescreen in the US on ANY format and I'm having my doubts that it ever will.

The only other PAL discs I have are the Will and Grace discs which will eventually be replaced by the R1 versions when they come out.

I own the Malata because I buy a good number of NTSC R2 and R3 discs for special editions or DTS. It's not only for PAL conversion.

And I honestly doubt there will ever be a title that will only be released in PAL (other than Frantic). All the movies I like are american for the very most part. You can look at my list and see for yourself. It's just a preference.

The difference here then is that you have no need for PAL (for the most part, and only when it suits your needs like Frantic). It has nothing to do with speed up, but with your preference of American movies..

If your "Preference" had a broad range from various countries (like many people in this forum), then you would be buying PAL format DVDs because of their definitive editions on various titles.

I know what you mean, if I had a choice between two DVDs one PAL one NTSC as long as the quality of the film were the same I would take the NTSC.

However don't pretend that the 4% speed up is noticeable because it's not. And when it comes to film quality I will gladly take a PAL DVD version of an American film that's been mastered correctly over an NTSC version that hasn't. Poorly mastered films ARE noticeable.

Sorry babe...i'm not PRETENDING anything.

I DO notice the speed up...both on Frantic and other PAL discs i have/had. I notice it on all the Will and Grace discs. I also own American Psycho and League of their Own back when I didn't realize that there was a speed up. I got the discs and was pissed off because everyone sounded like they were on helium. I got them for the extras and didn't realize that they would be inferior to the R1 versions because of the speed up.

I'm not pretending anything so don't make presumptions.

IT'S ALL IN YOUR MIND BUDDY!!!!!

Like I said earlier.... Bottom line is you watch R1 titles because you prefer R1 films, nothing to do with PAL..

You're basically saying that FRUIT is inferior to VEGETABLES, but only pointing that out because you hate FRUIT.

If you were a fan of foreign film then you would buy PAL because in many cases those versions are superior than anything R1 produces.. Case in point any R1 DVD that HKL has produced.

One example Once Upon a Time in China. R1 isn't even true anamorphic, is bad quality and is cut (R0 versions have bad quality as well). They should be ashamed of themselves releasing a piece of crap like that. So, IT'S NOT A MATTER OF PREFERENCE!! In this example(and many others)you have only ONE CHOICE! WHERE IS THE MATTER OF PREFERENCE?!?!?!

Another example would be the Frantic you own(not a matter of preference you have no choice). Sure if it's available in R1 or non-PAL with the same visual quality I'll get it but if not I'm going PAL.

MadPervert = http://www.lebiste.blogger.com.br/high%20fidelity.jpg

And, as Rob Gordon so succinctly says to people like him, "how can it be bull****** to state a preference?"

(I'd like to point out that I'm with digital on this one. PAL speedup exists, and it bothers some people. Fact.)

The speed up is all in my mind?

Yah...ok.

Sure.

You're mistaken... The characters of Will and Grace are gay!!!
Their voices are naturally high like that!

Babe..

*I* am gay.

I bet my voice is deeper than yours.

If that was a poor attempt at a joke, please don't make it again.

I'm not talking about *you*! I'm making a reference about the characters on Will and Grace and making a generalization about how many gay people have higher pitched voices (than non gay people)which is leading you to believe in a PAL sound error.


As far as your deep voice is concerned, I bet that you don't, there are many reasons why they call me MADPERVERT!!

PAL speedup is hardly an imagined phenomena. On a varying basis, I can discern it myself depending on the disc (and whether the pitch has been corrected) and how well I can recognize a particular person's voice. Take the UK Resident Evil trailer, it's a piece of cake to pick out the PAL speedup on that one. On at least one version of that trailer, it hasn't been pitch corrected and it is dead easy to tell. Since Pal speedup is a pitch issue, not everyone discerns it. If everyone could discern pitch issues, there wouldn't be a million bad American singers making fools of themselves on national television. Since it is more or less a subjective issue, you can't dismiss PAL releases out of hand, but you also have to appreciate that some people can and do notice it quite easily.