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callaweii 02-26-03 04:16 PM

why does hong kong release dts titles?
 
why does hong kong release dts titles and not the united states?

Lucas 02-26-03 04:38 PM

Because the distributors prefer to spend the money on second rate sound transfers and ignore the picture quality.

dlew308 02-26-03 04:49 PM

Are you asking about R1 releases having DTS only in other regions like R2/R3/R4 etc?
If so, good question.

Jay G. 02-26-03 05:20 PM

Honk Kong releases of US films usually don't have the extras an R1 does, either because of rights issues or simply because they don't want to bother with subtitling them. So they have extra space available for a DTS track.

Note that like Lucas said, sometimes the video quality suffers as a result. A lot of the releases are non-anamorphic letterboxed, and if they are anamorphic, may be interlaced instead of progressive. So it's a trade-off.

callaweii 02-26-03 05:35 PM

does anyone hear have black hawk down dts, insomnia dts, k-19 windowmaker dts, or monsters inc dts? if so how are they? thanks

tacos 02-26-03 05:42 PM

I would like to know the same. I would also like to know about City by the Sea dts. I bought We Were Soldiers dts and it has an awesome sound. The picture quality suffers though.

Jay G. 02-26-03 09:53 PM

The Monsters Inc DVD will have the same quality video, as they took off the 4:3 version of the film, leaving a lot of room on the DVD.

pro-bassoonist 02-26-03 11:31 PM

This has been discussed many times before by much more experienced people but I would like to say the following:

Many times HK releases do have DTS tracks however this has nothing to do with the REAL THING. It basically boils down to the fact that your receiver will indicate that there is a DTS track on the disc however the sound quality is not there or it is simply a 5.1 mix transfered through a DTS encoding line.

Furthermore, many R1 DD mixes are much better than the DTS mix you'll get on a HK disc (regardless of the fact that your receiver will indicate that you are listening to a DTS mix).

dlew308 02-27-03 12:00 AM

pro: how about dts with R2/R4 etc?

Mikkis 02-27-03 03:39 AM


Originally posted by callaweii
does anyone hear have black hawk down dts
I've got the R2 BHD dts and it sounds great. It' more aggressive than the DD5.1 mix. Speech is also very clear and audible. :up:

tacos 02-27-03 05:15 AM


Originally posted by pro-bassoonist
This has been discussed many times before by much more experienced people but I would like to say the following:

Many times HK releases do have DTS tracks however this has nothing to do with the REAL THING. It basically boils down to the fact that your receiver will indicate that there is a DTS track on the disc however the sound quality is not there or it is simply a 5.1 mix transfered through a DTS encoding line.

Furthermore, many R1 DD mixes are much better than the DTS mix you'll get on a HK disc (regardless of the fact that your receiver will indicate that you are listening to a DTS mix).

I'm sorry but you are wrong.

Josh Z 02-27-03 10:17 AM


Originally posted by tacos
I'm sorry but you are wrong.
No, he's not. He's absolutely correct. Most of the Asian DTS mixes amount to the distributor running the 5.1 mix through a DTS encoder. They've paid DTS for the encoder, and it is "officially" a DTS track, but the sound quality will not be any better than the DD track.

Josh Z 02-27-03 10:18 AM


Originally posted by Jay G.
Note that like Lucas said, sometimes the video quality suffers as a result. A lot of the releases are non-anamorphic letterboxed, and if they are anamorphic, may be interlaced instead of progressive. So it's a trade-off.
All DVD-Video is stored in interlaced format. It is either the DVD player, TV, or an external device (depending on your set-up) that de-interlaces the video signal to form a progressive image.

Giles 02-27-03 10:43 AM


Originally posted by Jay G.
The Monsters Inc DVD will have the same quality video, as they took off the 4:3 version of the film, leaving a lot of room on the DVD.
The UK R2 edition of A Bug's Life also drops the fullscreen version of the disc and includes a stellar DTS track.

Haven't heard the DD mix but the audio range of the DTS track on We Were Soldiers is cringe inducing, the gun shots are extremely loud.

Dean Walsh 02-27-03 06:55 PM


No, he's not. He's absolutely correct. Most of the Asian DTS mixes amount to the distributor running the 5.1 mix through a DTS encoder. They've paid DTS for the encoder, and it is "officially" a DTS track, but the sound quality will not be any better than the DD track.
Have you actually watched any of these discs? Or are you just assuming that because they are Asian they are automatically a rip-off of some sort. I find this to be an annoying generalization and quite frankly ignorant. People assume because it's not on the r1 version it must be fake or bootleg.
I have a large number of r3 dts titles, from both Universe Laser Co. and IVL.
Here's my rundown on the titles I have:
Get Carter (pic quality identical to r1, DTS mix much better)
Insomnia (ditto, quality of this disc is up there with the Superbits)
We Were Soldiers (improved sound, pic quality not as good)
Resident Evil (pic quality similar if not as good, HUGE sound improvement)
Monsters Inc. (pic identical, DTS much better)
Driven (pic identical, DTS much better) (Roadshow in Australia were also supplied the DTS mix for the r4 release).
The Others (non-anamorphic, great DTS but picture suffers)
The Gift (non-anamorphic, improved audio)

Rather than upsampling a DD 5.1 the companies would be supplied with a high quality 5.1 master of some sort that would allow the authoring house to encode to whatever format they choose.

d2cheer 02-28-03 07:11 AM

The Gift (non-anamorphic, improved audio)

You are inncorret about this title the DTS track is not improved at all. I used to own both and compared them extensively...

I found the Paramount DD 5.1 much richer and fuller.

Plus the Paramount DVD has a much better picture.

benedict 02-28-03 09:05 AM


Originally posted by tacos
I'm sorry but you are wrong.
Unsupported statements of this kind are a waste of space IMNSHO and come close to trolling. Next time please either back up your assertion or consider very carefully the value of posting it.

Thank you in advance for your understanding and co-operation.


Benedict
Moderator, International DVD Talk.

digitalfreaknyc 02-28-03 09:22 AM

I have:

K-19: VERY aggressive DTS mix and sounds absolutely incredible. I'd say the PQ is about the same as the R1 version but this one also has some extras from the R1 version. Doesn't have the commentary and some of the other extras tho. Very good tho.

Insomnia: Absolutely phenomenal PQ and SQ. Superbit YES.

Crimson Tide: Probably the best I've heard. I had to actually turn the subwoofer WAAAAAAAAAY down. Very very strong bass track. Non-anamorphic FYI.

Ransom: I haven't watched the movie yet but seems fine. PQ is the same as the R1 version and is non-anamorphic. Yukky.

I plan on getting Monsters Inc, Cliffhanger, Silence of the Lambs, Evita and Sleepers.

Again, I refuse to get any PAL DTS release as it seems like a huge waste IMHO.

Dean Walsh 11-02-03 11:00 PM

Monsters Inc r3 - Highly recommended, amazing audio!

digitalfreaknyc 11-03-03 12:03 AM

Dean...

Where did you get it from? I heard the Korean one had a Korean DTS track...

Brett C 11-03-03 02:49 AM

Dean has the R3 HK version, not the Korean one. The HK release features an Eng DTS track...

digitalfreaknyc 11-03-03 08:28 PM

Any good places to pick up the HK version? Does it just have the widescreen version on it?

Dean Walsh 11-03-03 08:32 PM

It's widescreen only, which is why it can fit the dts comfortably. I'd imagine it would be the same encode as the r1 version too. I can't recommend any places to get it, I just pop into Chinatown in Sydney to pick up HK releases.

axolotls return 11-03-03 10:16 PM


Originally posted by tacos
I'm sorry but you are wrong.
Guess, you haven't bought any Mei-Ah HK Remasters... like Hard Boiled or God of Gamblers...

axolotls return 11-03-03 10:21 PM


Originally posted by Dean Walsh
Have you actually watched any of these discs? Or are you just assuming that because they are Asian they are automatically a rip-off of some sort. I find this to be an annoying generalization and quite frankly ignorant. People assume because it's not on the r1 version it must be fake or bootleg.
I have a large number of r3 dts titles, from both Universe Laser Co. and IVL.
.

You have a large number of U.S. made movies released in HK. You do not, however, have any HK produced movies released in HK, judging from your statement. See my post above this one.

I have the Others R3 DTS. I don't think the dts is that hot and the picture quality is so-so. It's also a single layer disc, I believe.


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