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Just How Annoying/Distracting Is The 4% Speed-Up?

Old 12-30-01, 02:25 PM
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Just How Annoying/Distracting Is The 4% Speed-Up?

thanks again to this forum.
i just placed an order for Manon of the Spring & Jean DeFlorette R2 from amazon uk, at a big savings over at what i was looking at paying at Blackstar.

now i just have to work on getting a region free (most likely modified) player.

what i'm concerned with though is the 4% speed up on Pal material-is this really aggravating?
is it readily noticeable?

i'm looking forward to the superior transfers on these titles as well as the higher definition inherent in the PAL format, but am hoping the trade-off here won't sink the deal.

if not, this may open up a whole new world of choices
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I notice it; but I am very an*l. Especially during a lot of martial arts fighting and music videos.

However... I doubt most people will notice it! Go for it! I am enjoying every second with my PAL DVDs this week!
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This question has been asked and answered on a number of occasions. You can judge for yourself as to any consensus from some of the following threads:Hope this helps....
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I'm also very anal about picture & sound on my DVDs.
I collect tons of different actors, so I know how they should sound.
With close to 60 different "Pal" DVDs in my collection, not one
shows anything wrong with picture or sound.
Example: I have movie "Evita" from Italy and it totally sounds,
like it's suppose to. Actors voices, music, etc.

I'm convinced that the convertor being used has everything,
to do with how picture & sound will be.
I have a R2 "Denon 2800" & it plays flawless picture & great sound!
Than again, this player was not cheap.
Where ever the 4% speedup is? I don't see or hear it!
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Originally posted by Barry
I'm convinced that the convertor being used has everything,
to do with how picture & sound will be.
I have a R2 "Denon 2800" & it plays flawless picture & great sound!
Than again, this player was not cheap.
Where ever the 4% speedup is? I don't see or hear it!
May I ask where something like that could be purchased? I'd like to know more.
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This is my opinion (and I'm sure there are people that will disagree), but I think that with dialogue heavy films, it's not that big of a deal. Also, films that you haven't seen over and over will also probably not matter that much.

I bought the region 2 Purple Rain DVD (because it's the only way to see the film in OAR), and the speed up is INCREDIBLY annoying. It puts the music in a different key. I think (must like I've said above) it's because there's ALOT of music in the film, and I know it so well.
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If it's music that you know very well and care about then the difference is quite noticeable but generally you never notice anything.
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I am really anal about my video experience and, for now, less so for my audio experience. I don't notice the speedup on regular movies and I do notice it on music videos but it is not enought to annoy me or make me not wish that I purchased the unavailable in R1 dvd's (Hard Day's Night, New Order Live, and more if you must know!).

And look at the bright side, for every 25 movies you watch you can fit an extra one in! I used to know a guy that watched movies in Fast Forward just for this purpose!
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It's especially noticeable when a movie shows the second hand of a clock for some time, or counts seconds in some other way. I remember in Yellow Submarine there's a scene in which there are numbers on screen, representing seconds. In PAL it's way too fast!

In general, though, I don't notice the speed-up; nevertheless, I don't particularly like it.
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Theory:

A shot that is 10 seconds NTSC...
is 9.6 seconds PAL.

A scene that is 60 seconds NTSC...
is 57.6 seconds PAL.

A sequence that is 10 minutes NTSC...
is 9.6 minutes PAL.

Reality:

Some people see and/or hear it.
Some people don't.

How many people realize that some older European films were shot at 25 fps and then subsequently projected at 24 fps in the US?

Do you know for sure that the film you just saw in the theater was really projected at 24 fps?

Was the Zapruder film really shot at 18 fps? Is the version we now see represented on video mastered with Non-Drop Frame timecode or Drop-Frame timecode? And if it is Drop-Frame timecode - Where is the lost frame?

What did I just edit out?
Or did I add something in?

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...the mind boggles...

...fortunately, I am blessed with tin ears and none-to-good eyesight, so I cannot hear/see the PAL 'speed-up' ... nor, for that matter, can I see the judder during slow pans caused by NTSC's 3-2-pulldown...

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Barry:

So the Denon 2800 converts PAL-->NTSC in the correct aspect ratio as well as a flawless picture and outstanding sound?

One more thing: it has DTS right?

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Barry:

I received at reply from Rito but he doesn't know either if the PAL-->NTSC conversion looks perfect on a 4:3 NTSC TV. My current TV does not have the 16:9 squeeze.

Thanks for your help.
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Thanks once again for your help Barry. I look forward to your answer. And can you check an anamorphic PAL & NTSC DVD and a nonanamorphic PAL & NTSC DVD on your 4:3 NTSC TV to compare how perfect for imperfect they look. My answer is a big YES to your question of whether I have plans to buy a widescreen TV. My wife and I are saving for a house now and plan to get the TV in mid-2003. I'm anxious as well for both things!

Thanks again,
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Questions about Pal dvds and running times

Hey all,
i am new here so i dont know if anyone has answered this yet.Iamdiscovering that sometimes the difference in running times btw amovie on dvd r1 and r2 are different cause of pal speed ups.
This im toldis why the scarface r2 says 163 when the movie length is 170.
How do i know when its a pal speed up thing or when the cut is just not the same cut
for examplei have been checking out wantingto buy a few new dvds

ARIZONA DREAM-the r2(which claims to be the def version) cut says 135 min which is different than the 144min dir cut that i saw in theaters

KAGEMUSHA-this says 159 cut...the real full cut of that film is almost 180.Is this the butchered print or the uncut version?

RULES OF THE GAME-the restored cut is 113 min...this r2 says its 110.

anyone can help with the answer to these and also how would i know when its pal speed up or just a diff print.
Thanks in advance

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