The Godfather Trilogy - 4K UHD
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For film nerds (film stock, restoration), Robert Harris discusses the background of his restoration in 2007 as well as this new one which he was not directly involved in, but saw tests, provided his previous notes, and understood the process. I’m sure he’ll have thoughts on the finished product too.
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/whi...ers-in-4k-uhd/
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/whi...ers-in-4k-uhd/
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For film nerds (film stock, restoration), Robert Harris discusses the background of his restoration in 2007 as well as this new one which he was not directly involved in, but saw tests, provided his previous notes, and understood the process. I’m sure he’ll have thoughts on the finished product too.
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/whi...ers-in-4k-uhd/
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/whi...ers-in-4k-uhd/
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...8#post-5098352
Reading between the lines, it sounds like his restoration in 2007 made painstaking efforts to stay strictly faithful to Gordon Willis' intended color palette, while the new restoration... doesn't. Thankfully, a comparison video posted later in the thread suggests that the difference is actually pretty small, enough so that most viewers would probably not notice it without a direct side-by-side comparison.
#130
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Harris has posted some very carefully worded, exceedingly diplomatic notes about the new transfers here:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...8#post-5098352
Reading between the lines, it sounds like his restoration in 2007 made painstaking efforts to stay strictly faithful to Gordon Willis' intended color palette, while the new restoration... doesn't. Thankfully, a comparison video posted later in the thread suggests that the difference is actually pretty small, enough so that most viewers would probably not notice it without a direct side-by-side comparison.
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...8#post-5098352
Reading between the lines, it sounds like his restoration in 2007 made painstaking efforts to stay strictly faithful to Gordon Willis' intended color palette, while the new restoration... doesn't. Thankfully, a comparison video posted later in the thread suggests that the difference is actually pretty small, enough so that most viewers would probably not notice it without a direct side-by-side comparison.
So in other words, both the 2008 and 2022 bds are slightly compromised as far as matching the original intention.
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I'd have to go back and read through all of it again, but doesn't Harris also say that something went wrong when mastering the 2008 blu-ray and that it is too red compared to the DCP (which has correct color)?
So in other words, both the 2008 and 2022 bds are slightly compromised as far as matching the original intention.
So in other words, both the 2008 and 2022 bds are slightly compromised as far as matching the original intention.
Anyway, Gordon Willis is dead, so he obviously can't weigh in, but Coppola did sign off on the new transfer.
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Got my copy today. Amazon shipped it in a cardboard holder that they would use for a similar-sized coffee table book. Great job, because I got a mint copy.
The Collector's Edition box measures about 12.5" x 10.5" for those curious.
The Collector's Edition box measures about 12.5" x 10.5" for those curious.
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Picked up a copy on the way home from work today.
Sadly, my Sony UBPX700 crapped out last weekend, so I have to buy a new 4K player (with Dolby Vision) soon
Sadly, my Sony UBPX700 crapped out last weekend, so I have to buy a new 4K player (with Dolby Vision) soon

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My copy arrived today in one of those bubble envelopes. But no harm to the set. I sold the digital copies to offset the cost.
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Harris is starting to take out his knives:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...375209/page-11
"As noted previously, many people who don’t speak 'film' will be thrilled with these new editions, as with the exception of the first shot in GF 1, nothing (in 1 & 2) looks like any sort of actual color film."
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...375209/page-11
"As noted previously, many people who don’t speak 'film' will be thrilled with these new editions, as with the exception of the first shot in GF 1, nothing (in 1 & 2) looks like any sort of actual color film."
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This close up cap, for example. How I've always viewed the film it made Kay cast in a warm (or sepia) light. That's kind of gone now:
The Godfather • US Ultra HD Blu-ray vs. UK Blu-ray (caps-a-holic.com)
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Another example of the tint shift from how I've always remembered the film. The warm/sepia is stripped back in this shot:
The Godfather • US Ultra HD Blu-ray vs. UK Blu-ray (caps-a-holic.com)
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There's a feature on the bonus disc that talks about the new restoration for 2022. I suggest you watch that to understand their thinking behind it.
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Harris is starting to take out his knives:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...375209/page-11
"As noted previously, many people who don’t speak 'film' will be thrilled with these new editions, as with the exception of the first shot in GF 1, nothing (in 1 & 2) looks like any sort of actual color film."
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...375209/page-11
"As noted previously, many people who don’t speak 'film' will be thrilled with these new editions, as with the exception of the first shot in GF 1, nothing (in 1 & 2) looks like any sort of actual color film."
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Harris is starting to take out his knives:
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...375209/page-11
"As noted previously, many people who don’t speak 'film' will be thrilled with these new editions, as with the exception of the first shot in GF 1, nothing (in 1 & 2) looks like any sort of actual color film."
https://www.hometheaterforum.com/com...375209/page-11
"As noted previously, many people who don’t speak 'film' will be thrilled with these new editions, as with the exception of the first shot in GF 1, nothing (in 1 & 2) looks like any sort of actual color film."
"There is nothing wrong with liking the final product, but as it is accepted by the majority, it may well be tolling the death knell of any further or continuous movement to properly represent the true look of cinema, as opposed to digital productions - which are totally different - although some fully digital productions go 180 degrees, adding the attributes of film grain.
The ability to replicate the look of film was supposed to be a major advantage of Blu-ray and HD - marketed as the look and sound of cinema, and made further possible via 4k UHD, which can absolutely create the look and textures of film in the digital world - but with a release of this importance taking on fully digital attributes, one must wonder where the industry will move next."
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A good representation of the shift from the sepia/orange tint. (Bluray left / 4k right)

Just another example between the two restorations. The above is the 2007 Bluray

This is from the 4k
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In the long run, I do enjoy the fact that we love cinema so much that when these things come up (be they additions to films [ie: Star Wars], tinting changes [ie: Fellowship of the Ring] or films not including mono tracks etc.) it fuels these debates.
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