Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market
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Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market
I don't necessarily wait until Black Friday, but the studios have trained me to wait a little bit. A $29.99 title on week 1 will frequently be $19.99 2-3 weeks later. If it'll be 2-3 weeks until I get around to watching it anyway, why not wait that extra little bit and save some money?
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So because you don't know how to properly use Netflix for streaming you think disc is superior? Maybe one of your grand kids can come over and show you the dozens (?) of monthly TV releases exclusive to the service, all of last years (and seasons) CW shows + tons of other stuff that isn't 10+ years old. And the Netflix DVD ones you got are old movies....so are you trying to trash the streamer for apparently having "old" shows yet you asked Netflix to send you "old" movies?
I didn't watch any programs about cute 20-year olds with superpowers or magic powers.
As I said in my original post, I don't see the point of streaming. If the point is watching TV shows, then I'm not interested.
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There's a lot that Netflix does extremely well. They have more buzzy series than I could ever hope to keep up with. The medium is incredibly flexible in a way that broadcast/basic cable could never match. Take Russian Doll, for instance: a three and a half hour Groundhog Day-style comedy/drama. It's too oddball and vulgar to exist on, say, NBC. It's probably too short and self-contained for HBO to interested. But it's perfect for Netflix, with each episode ending on a note that practically demands watching just one more. Or even The Unbreakable Kimmy Schmidt, which was created with broadcast TV in mind, can be a half hour comedy most of the time but indulge itself in a borderline-feature-length homage to Sliding Doors if it's so inclined. Netflix is far better at series than they are at movies, but there are a few gems along those lines, attracting talents like Noah Baumbach, Alfonso Cuarón, and the Coens.
Still, I spend more time with discs than I do with streaming, at least when it comes to movies. It's annoying when my wife or I have something in particular we want to watch, it's not on Blu-ray, and we have to search one of those meta-streaming-engines to see who, if anyone, has it streaming. (And the answer is fairly frequently "nobody", even if you're willing to pay a la carte.) But then there are those times when something's streaming and it's unavailable on Blu-ray, and I'm thankful to have the option.
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Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market
Newer movies are usually transferred from their 2K digital intermediate, or occasionally a 4K digital intermediate.
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Wait till it goes on sale just like physical media? Most new release start out at $19.99-$24.99, but typically iTunes/VUDU has them on sale a month later for $9.99 (and in 4k). You can buy digital copies directly from people buying the physical media version for $5-$8 all day every day and often 2-3 weeks before the disc even hits shelves. I've been enjoying Wreck it Ralph 2 for a week now. I won't even bother to mention catalog, over time, will see significant sales as low as $4.99 or in a bundle.
So yes, $19.99 may not be worth it on day 1 (which I also won't pay - even for a disc version), but let's not pretend every movie has that price for ever and ever.
So yes, $19.99 may not be worth it on day 1 (which I also won't pay - even for a disc version), but let's not pretend every movie has that price for ever and ever.
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Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market
Wait till it goes on sale just like physical media? Most new release start out at $19.99-$24.99, but typically iTunes/VUDU has them on sale a month later for $9.99 (and in 4k). You can buy digital copies directly from people buying the physical media version for $5-$8 all day every day and often 2-3 weeks before the disc even hits shelves. I've been enjoying Wreck it Ralph 2 for a week now. I won't even bother to mention catalog, over time, will see significant sales as low as $4.99 or in a bundle.
So yes, $19.99 may not be worth it on day 1 (which I also won't pay - even for a disc version), but let's not pretend every movie has that price for ever and ever.
So yes, $19.99 may not be worth it on day 1 (which I also won't pay - even for a disc version), but let's not pretend every movie has that price for ever and ever.
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Actually, I have no idea and the above question is entirely why 4K is where it is at right now as far as home media goes. Whoever said earlier about 98% of the population doesn't know or care...is correct.
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2K is faster/less expensive to work with in post-production (replacing all these 2K-centric pipelines is a huge deal), and visual effects are generally rendered at 2K, so even a 4K DI will invariably have a bunch of 2K material in it. (And if the VFX are 2K, everything in the shot is 2K, upscaled even in a 4K DI.) Completely computer animated movies are always 2K and will be for the foreseeable future. And a 2K DI, as mentioned earlier, is still a considerable step-up from what Blu-ray can reproduce.
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Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market
We really don't know how the pricing structure will work once everything is digital. Right now the studios want to entice consumers with the digital product and are willing to cut the prices accordingly to compete with the other formats. There may come a day when the Paramount website has the exclusive rights to stream Raiders of the Lost Ark and they want $15, you're just going to have to pay it or watch something else.
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Right. But the 2K DI is what's being shown in theaters (in fact, most projectors in theaters max out at 2K), so it's not that the home video release is specifically being compromised. 2K is still the standard finish (despite these movies pretty much always being shot at a much higher-res), although 4K finishes are becoming more and more prevalent for new theatrical releases. Shooting at a higher resolution than the final output has its advantages as well -- oversampling, more flexibility for reframing, etc.
2K is faster/less expensive to work with in post-production (replacing all these 2K-centric pipelines is a huge deal), and visual effects are generally rendered at 2K, so even a 4K DI will invariably have a bunch of 2K material in it. (And if the VFX are 2K, everything in the shot is 2K, upscaled even in a 4K DI.) Completely computer animated movies are always 2K and will be for the foreseeable future. And a 2K DI, as mentioned earlier, is still a considerable step-up from what Blu-ray can reproduce.
2K is faster/less expensive to work with in post-production (replacing all these 2K-centric pipelines is a huge deal), and visual effects are generally rendered at 2K, so even a 4K DI will invariably have a bunch of 2K material in it. (And if the VFX are 2K, everything in the shot is 2K, upscaled even in a 4K DI.) Completely computer animated movies are always 2K and will be for the foreseeable future. And a 2K DI, as mentioned earlier, is still a considerable step-up from what Blu-ray can reproduce.
I appreciate your confirming many of my suspicions.
If the studios truly want the format to succeed, they have to step up the AV quality considerably.
When compared to The Early Days, the AV of BD releases of recent films today is often amazing.
The difference between the 2 formats of these releases is often NOT great enough IMO.
There has to be an obvious benefit or consumers won't pony up their hard-earned cash.
Hell, many BDs have an Atmos track...
BD went thru the very same thing years ago...the studios had to up their game.
Whoever said earlier about 98% of the population doesn't know or care...is correct.
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Not sure who that video is targeted towards.
The few people who agree with it are buying movies on discs for the reasons he mentioned. And the majority of people already have shown they don't care about the better video/audio and view movies as disposable entertainment and don't need it sitting on their shelves.
The few people who agree with it are buying movies on discs for the reasons he mentioned. And the majority of people already have shown they don't care about the better video/audio and view movies as disposable entertainment and don't need it sitting on their shelves.
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I know not every movie is good, but there are many including new ones that people love and cherish and want to relive. I would never view movies as disposable. Movies bad or good provide jobs for people and the economy and many takes years to even get made. So a lot of pride goes into getting them made. I would never have the attitude to throw it away like trash and move on because it's "disposable." Many appreciate the time and technical aspects that go into making films. Not every movie I see I want to own, but again I would never view film that way.
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I think it's more of disposable income. Folks may love film and film art but they're not going to fork over the cash for the best. To some, a DVD or stream, is good enough. I know those into niche markets have a hard time grasping that concept - but most folks don't give a shit about bells and whistles when it comes to media entertainment.
EDIT - I am not saying that cinema is disposable. I am talking about the money on hand angle.
EDIT - I am not saying that cinema is disposable. I am talking about the money on hand angle.
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Really? You think the art of movies is like tissues or paper towels? Disposable.
I know not every movie is good, but there are many including new ones that people love and cherish and want to relive. I would never view movies as disposable. Movies bad or good provide jobs for people and the economy and many takes years to even get made. So a lot of pride goes into getting them made. I would never have the attitude to throw it away like trash and move on because it's "disposable." Many appreciate the time and technical aspects that go into making films. Not every movie I see I want to own, but again I would never view film that way.
I know not every movie is good, but there are many including new ones that people love and cherish and want to relive. I would never view movies as disposable. Movies bad or good provide jobs for people and the economy and many takes years to even get made. So a lot of pride goes into getting them made. I would never have the attitude to throw it away like trash and move on because it's "disposable." Many appreciate the time and technical aspects that go into making films. Not every movie I see I want to own, but again I would never view film that way.
The average person just doesn't care that much. They'll watch a movie, either hate it, like it or love it - and then move on. Maybe they'll watch it a few more times if they love it, but that doesn't happen often. They just don't take it so seriously.
I can't tell you how many people I know who will gladly start watching a movie halfway in, have no problem letting a movie to play while they go to the bathroom or get some food, or just talk throughout a movie. Hell, how many times have we heard about people in theatres talking during a movie or going on their phone? It's just disposable entertainment to them. Consume it in whatever manner they want and then move on.
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Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market
It's just another example of a company bailing on physical movie format. You'll still be able to buy blu-ray players from other manufacturers, but it's showing a trend. It may go the way of CD players and CDs. You can still buy CDs, but the market is getting smaller. When was the last time you saw a CD player for sale at a store that wasn't an audio/audiophile shop?
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so bottomline it for me: what's the big deal about Samsung not making bluray players anymore?
BTW - anyone want to buy an Oppo 203 region modded? Just sitting in its box for the past few years...
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AFAIK, all optical players are multi-format these days: CD, BD, etc.
I know UHD disks do not have region locks on them...
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I can't remember when I saw an actual stand-alone CD player at any store outside of an dedicated audio shop.
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There are 10 Best Buy locations within 75 miles of me, and the Onkyo 6-CD changer is in-stock at every single one of them. Best Buy's in-house brand, Insignia, has a portable CD player that's in-stock in every store I could quickly find as well.
Nearly all of those 10 have LG's mini-shelf CD system in-stock. Ditto for this Sony CD boombox.
Nearly all of those 10 have LG's mini-shelf CD system in-stock. Ditto for this Sony CD boombox.