HD Talk The place to discuss Blu-ray, 4K and all other forms and formats of HD and HDTV.

Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Old 02-25-19, 01:21 PM
  #101  
DVD Talk Legend
 
PhantomStranger's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2007
Location: The Phantom Zone
Posts: 21,328
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Best Buy and Walmart still stock CD players. It does appear the three major record labels left are beginning to make decisions with an eye on ending CDs as a commercial format.
PhantomStranger is offline  
Old 02-25-19, 01:41 PM
  #102  
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
 
Alan Smithee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: USA
Posts: 8,243
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Not like they’ve been putting out much good music lately anyways.
Alan Smithee is offline  
Old 02-25-19, 01:46 PM
  #103  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,626
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by Alan Smithee View Post
Not like they’ve been putting out much good music lately anyways.
Did they ever to begin with?

There is a reason MCA is better known as "Musical Cemetery of America".

(MCA's successor is Universal).
morriscroy is offline  
Old 02-25-19, 01:49 PM
  #104  
DVD Talk Reviewer/ Admin
 
Adam Tyner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Greenville, South Cackalack
Posts: 21,248
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger View Post
Best Buy and Walmart still stock CD players. It does appear the three major record labels left are beginning to make decisions with an eye on ending CDs as a commercial format.
Hopefully the indies keep supporting the format. Nearly every album I was interested in last year came out on CD.
Adam Tyner is online now  
Old 02-26-19, 01:33 AM
  #105  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Josh-da-man's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 2000
Location: The Bible Belt
Posts: 30,348
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

I wouldn’t be surprised if CDs went away in favor of digital distribution, while vinyl takes over as a niche collectors’ format.

I could also see blu-ray and UHD doing the same, becoming a niche format for collectors. Which would mean the MSRP prices of discs would go up, or at least not go down. So no more bargain bins or Black Friday sales.
Josh-da-man is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 09:33 AM
  #106  
DVD Talk Hero
 
Gizmo's Avatar
 
Join Date: Jan 2000
Location: Formerly known as "GizmoDVD"/Southern CA
Posts: 30,373
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by melasnus View Post

DVD and BD region-free?
I know UHD disks do not have region locks on them...
Yes - BD and DVD region free. This Oppo doesn't support 4k
Gizmo is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 10:59 AM
  #107  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,644
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man View Post
I wouldn’t be surprised if CDs went away in favor of digital distribution, while vinyl takes over as a niche collectors’ format.
That would be a helluva thing.

Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
Yes - BD and DVD region free. This Oppo doesn't support 4k
Thanks for the info.
melasnus is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 11:48 AM
  #108  
DVD Talk Legend
 
Sonic's Avatar
 
Join Date: May 1999
Posts: 17,484
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
BTW - anyone want to buy an Oppo 203 region modded? Just sitting in its box for the past few years...
Originally Posted by Gizmo View Post
Yes - BD and DVD region free. This Oppo doesn't support 4k
I'm confused. A Oppo 203 that doesn't play 4K? How is that possible?
Sonic is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 01:10 PM
  #109  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
BuckNaked2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hartford, CT
Posts: 5,952
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by DJariya View Post


Really? You think the art of movies is like tissues or paper towels? Disposable.
To most, yes. Stream it, forget it. I you want to see it again, stream it again.
BuckNaked2k is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 01:59 PM
  #110  
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
 
Alan Smithee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: USA
Posts: 8,243
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

I still don’t get the appeal of vinyl. I’m glad it’s still being used, but I wouldn’t buy new music on it. Plus new LPs are priced higher than CDs ever were.
Alan Smithee is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 04:16 PM
  #111  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Aug 2008
Location: Vancouver, BC, Canada
Posts: 1,487
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by Alan Smithee View Post
I still don’t get the appeal of vinyl. I’m glad it’s still being used, but I wouldn’t buy new music on it. Plus new LPs are priced higher than CDs ever were.
It's funny when you think most people switched from CDs to streaming because:

"CDs are too bulky."

"CDs are too expensive"

"CDs are not portable."

"CDs can scratch easily."

"CDs don't hold enough music, I have to keep switching discs."

"CDs aren't available at the press of a mouse-click."

"I have to buy the whole 14-song CD!"

"I have to pull a CD off my shelf, open the case, take the disc out, press 'eject' on the CD player, press 'close', press 'Play' and THEN I get to hear my music!!!"

... and yet none of these convenience-robbing obstacles seem to deter their vinyl purchases. Ah, the power of nostalgia!

Last edited by orangerunner; 02-26-19 at 04:23 PM.
orangerunner is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 04:25 PM
  #112  
DVD Talk Reviewer/ Admin
 
Adam Tyner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Greenville, South Cackalack
Posts: 21,248
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by orangerunner View Post
Ah, the power of nostalgia!
Or whatever the word is for people who weren't alive back then for it to qualify as nostalgia.

I get the appeal to a certain point. The large sleeves make a visual statement, the act of putting on a record makes it feel as if you're more directly engaging with the music, yadda yadda yadda. I have my fair share of vinyl, although it's a combination of 7"s, box sets and official boots that weren't released on any other format (and typically come with digital codes anyway), and They Might Be Giants stuff that they'd give to their IFC patrons. I'll sometimes buy vinyl as gifts since they typically come packaged with a download code, and it feels like I'm actually giving someone something versus a boring old iTunes gift card or whatever. I don't care enough to actually have a record player myself, though.
Adam Tyner is online now  
Old 02-26-19, 04:37 PM
  #113  
DVD Talk Legend
 
E Unit's Avatar
 
Join Date: Apr 2003
Location: Behind Wolf in the Situation Room
Posts: 12,612
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by Sonic View Post
I'm confused. A Oppo 203 that doesn't play 4K? How is that possible?
Well, it's been sitting in a box all these years. I guess that's what happens when you don't pull it out and use it?
E Unit is offline  
Old 02-26-19, 07:11 PM
  #114  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Jan 2018
Posts: 1,644
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by orangerunner View Post
It's funny when you think most people switched from CDs to streaming because:

"CDs are too bulky."

"CDs are too expensive"

"CDs are not portable."

"CDs can scratch easily."

"CDs don't hold enough music, I have to keep switching discs."

"CDs aren't available at the press of a mouse-click."

"I have to buy the whole 14-song CD!"

"I have to pull a CD off my shelf, open the case, take the disc out, press 'eject' on the CD player, press 'close', press 'Play' and THEN I get to hear my music!!!"

... and yet none of these convenience-robbing obstacles seem to deter their vinyl purchases. Ah, the power of nostalgia!
I was going to mention that but I knew someone else would.

Originally Posted by Adam Tyner View Post
Or whatever the word is for people who weren't alive back then for it to qualify as nostalgia.
Is that what it is?
Those that didn't grow up with them want retro tech so they can appear cool?
I get the appeal to a certain point. The large sleeves make a visual statement, the act of putting on a record makes it feel as if you're more directly engaging with the music, yadda yadda yadda. I have my fair share of vinyl, although it's a combination of 7"s, box sets and official boots that weren't released on any other format (and typically come with digital codes anyway), and They Might Be Giants stuff that they'd give to their IFC patrons. I'll sometimes buy vinyl as gifts since they typically come packaged with a download code, and it feels like I'm actually giving someone something versus a boring old iTunes gift card or whatever. I don't care enough to actually have a record player myself, though.
As someone who actually grew up with vinyl and in my humble opinion, if it has a "digital code," it's NOT vinyl.

Originally Posted by E Unit View Post
Well, it's been sitting in a box all these years. I guess that's what happens when you don't pull it out and use it?
It is probably not a 203 "if it's been sitting in a box all these years."
The 203 was introduced at the end of 2016.
melasnus is offline  
Old 02-27-19, 01:40 PM
  #115  
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
 
d2cheer's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 1999
Posts: 9,425
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by OldBoy View Post
so bottomline it for me: what's the big deal about Samsung not making bluray players anymore?
When Sony bails then we will know we have a "real" problem.
d2cheer is offline  
Old 02-27-19, 03:40 PM
  #116  
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
 
Alan Smithee's Avatar
 
Join Date: Oct 1999
Location: USA
Posts: 8,243
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

We had a real problem the day Sony started making VHS machines.
Alan Smithee is offline  
Old 02-27-19, 07:28 PM
  #117  
DVD Talk Limited Edition
 
BuckNaked2k's Avatar
 
Join Date: Dec 2005
Location: Hartford, CT
Posts: 5,952
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by d2cheer View Post
When Sony bails then we will know we have a "real" problem.
If any additional manufacturer bails, that will be the end.
BuckNaked2k is offline  
Old 03-06-19, 08:18 AM
  #118  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,626
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by Adam Tyner View Post
None, if I had to guess. Microsoft is more services/bells-and-whistles-oriented than Sony is.
Next iteration of the XboxOne will have no optical disc drive.

https://www.cnet.com/news/a-discless...ders-in-april/
morriscroy is offline  
Old 03-06-19, 08:32 AM
  #119  
DVD Talk Reviewer/ Admin
 
Adam Tyner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Greenville, South Cackalack
Posts: 21,248
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by morriscroy View Post
Next iteration of the XboxOne will have no optical disc drive.
As long rumored, yeah. Cost saving measures make sense this late in the life cycle. I fully expect Microsoft's next-gen console to have a disc-less SKU as well (though I do still think the option for an optical drive will remain).

But as for "did someone pay Microsoft to add Ultra HD Blu-ray support to the Xbox One S model that was released a couple of years ago", I remain very skeptical. Support for something like that seems like a very Microsoft thing to do. They also support Dolby Vision, which the PS4 Pro does not, and Microsoft supports Dolby Atmos in gaming, which Sony does not either. Heck, in keeping with the turn the conversation has taken recently , the Xbox will play audio CDs, which the PS4 cannot (despite indications in the manual that it could).

Last edited by Adam Tyner; 03-06-19 at 08:40 AM.
Adam Tyner is online now  
Old 03-06-19, 08:50 AM
  #120  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,626
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by Adam Tyner View Post
But as for "did someone pay Microsoft to add Ultra HD Blu-ray support to the Xbox One S model that was released a couple of years ago", I remain very skeptical. Support for something like that seems like a very Microsoft thing to do. They also support Dolby Vision, which the PS4 Pro does not, and Microsoft supports Dolby Atmos in gaming, which Sony does not either.
This might possibly be the case since the beginning of the XboxOne lifecycle.

This was not always the case in the past, such as for the Xbox360. Other than offering an external hd-dvd drive, the xbox360 didn't play any bluray discs. In those days, I wouldn't be surprised if M$ supporting hd-dvd was largely to give a huge middle finger to Sony.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xbox_360_HD_DVD_Player

morriscroy is offline  
Old 03-06-19, 09:03 AM
  #121  
DVD Talk Reviewer/ Admin
 
Adam Tyner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Greenville, South Cackalack
Posts: 21,248
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Originally Posted by morriscroy View Post
This was not always the case in the past, such as for the Xbox360. Other than offering an external hd-dvd drive, the xbox360 didn't play any bluray discs. In those days, I wouldn't be surprised if M$ supporting hd-dvd was largely to give a huge middle finger to Sony.
Microsoft was very involved in HD DVD apart from the 360 player.
Adam Tyner is online now  
Old 03-06-19, 09:05 AM
  #122  
Dan
DVD Talk Legend
 
Dan's Avatar
 
Join Date: Feb 2005
Location: ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Posts: 19,316
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Adam. I remember following all that. HD DVD was very much Toshiba and Microsoft's baby.
Dan is offline  
Old 03-06-19, 09:08 AM
  #123  
DVD Talk Reviewer/ Admin
 
Adam Tyner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Greenville, South Cackalack
Posts: 21,248
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

Yup! I even had an HD DVD t-shirt from a Microsoft event (led by Amir Majidimehr, for anyone who remembers him on AVS and the like) in Atlanta back in 2006 or something like that.
Adam Tyner is online now  
Old 03-06-19, 09:16 AM
  #124  
DVD Talk Special Edition
 
Join Date: Sep 2012
Posts: 1,626
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

If M$ were really "service oriented" back in the day, why didn't they release an external hd-dvd/bluray drive?

As an example in those days, the LG GGC-H20 computer optical disc drive could read both hd-dvd and bluray discs.

https://www.techpowerup.com/38863/lg...layer-released
morriscroy is offline  
Old 03-06-19, 09:20 AM
  #125  
DVD Talk Reviewer/ Admin
 
Adam Tyner's Avatar
 
Join Date: Sep 1999
Location: Greenville, South Cackalack
Posts: 21,248
Re: Samsung exiting Blu-ray Player Market

I don't think "service-oriented" begins and ends with Blu-ray.

The drive you're talking about came out in 2007 and was $350-$450. The HD-DVD add-on came out in 2006 and launched at $199. Not quite apples-to-apples. Sony took a colossal bath on Blu-ray support on the PS3. I'm glad they did -- the PS3 was my primary Blu-ray player, and therefore my primary media player, for many years -- but Blu-ray support in the console was kind of a money pit for them early on.
Adam Tyner is online now  

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Archive Advertising Cookie Policy Privacy Statement Terms of Service

Copyright © 2018 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.