Re: Best/Worst 4K UHDs you have seen
Originally Posted by stvn1974
(Post 13556875)
Joss Whedon's Serenity is the worst UHD that I have seen in the short time that I have been 4k enables. The blacks all look like giant globs. Chiwetel Ejiofor's black hair lacks any detail and it looks like he is wearing a helmet most of the time. And Mal's brown coat looks almost black at times.
Surprised Whedon would allow this to happen...-confused- |
Re: Best/Worst 4K UHDs you have seen
Once upon a time, Criterion was all about the best available medium- that’s why they issued laserdiscs but no VHS tapes. Can’t say what the best or worst UHD I’ve seen so far is, still need to watch Close Encounters which I have high expectations for. |
Re: Best/Worst 4K UHDs you have seen
Originally Posted by stvn1974
(Post 13556875)
Joss Whedon's Serenity is the worst UHD that I have seen in the short time that I have been 4k enables. The blacks all look like giant globs. Chiwetel Ejiofor's black hair lacks any detail and it looks like he is wearing a helmet most of the time. And Mal's brown coat looks almost black at times.
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Re: Best/Worst 4K UHDs you have seen
Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
(Post 13557047)
Once upon a time, Criterion was all about the best available medium- that’s why they issued laserdiscs but no VHS tapes. |
Re: Best/Worst 4K UHDs you have seen
Originally Posted by gryffinmaster
(Post 13298398)
The first two Harry Potter movies are enormous improvements over the Blu-rays.
The scrubbing of some of the grain also seemed to have remove some details from the kid's faces...the face look took clean and porcelain. Swapped back and force on a few of the movie, and the blu-ray is really blurry at times and the 4k does blow the BR our of the water. |
Re: Best/Worst 4K UHDs you have seen
My Favorite 4K so far:
Lucy Murder on the Orient Express Aquaman Fate of the Furious 2001 Space Spider-Man Spidey Verse Dunkirk |
Re: Best/Worst 4K UHDs you have seen
Originally Posted by Iron_Giant
(Post 13580933)
My Favorite 4K so far:
Lucy Murder on the Orient Express Aquaman Fate of the Furious 2001 Space Spider-Man Spidey Verse Dunkirk Haven't seen the others on UHD. |
Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by ViewAskewbian
(Post 14155946)
Considering the bluray looked pretty bad and there was only a commentary track and trailers, here's hoping for a good restoration of the film and some extras finally. I mean, seriously, considering it's status as a holiday favourite it has to be one of the most watched films year in and year out during the Christmas season. Give it some some, WB!
I've been working through the Batman '89-97 box set recently. While the first two movies were remastered, both were given hideous teal-and-orange color makeovers. The last two movies don't seem to be remastered at all, and look to be upconverted from old masters with DNR and sharpening problems. |
Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by Josh Z
(Post 14156009)
Christmas Vacation and Elf are both in dire need of remasters, as the Blu-rays for both looked terrible (especially Elf). I'd be inclined to give Warner Bros the benefit of the doubt, as they've mostly done right with 4K, but they do occasionally screw up.
I've been working through the Batman '89-97 box set recently. While the first two movies were remastered, both were given hideous teal-and-orange color makeovers. The last two movies don't seem to be remastered at all, and look to be upconverted from old masters with DNR and sharpening problems. |
Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by ViewAskewbian
(Post 14156064)
Yeah, I saw a side by side on the new Batman/Batman Returns transfers (as well as some of the new sound effects) and was like, naw, I'm out.
Ironically, because the later two films weren't remastered, they don't suffer the teal/orange problem. Of course, Schumacher's colors are plenty obnoxious in their own right. |
Re: UHD release announcements
-rolleyes-
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Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by T-bone22
(Post 14156896)
-rolleyes-
Personally, I don't consider this acceptable, but to each their own. https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...59b209abb8.jpg |
Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by Josh Z
(Post 14157417)
Was that eye-roll for me?
Personally, I don't consider this acceptable, but to each their own. |
Re: UHD release announcements
I just checked out the scene above on the 4K disc. It’s actually the spotlights themselves that are very teal. So in that screengrab the spotlight has moved to left of the Joker. The rest of the frame isn’t quite as teal but it is weird the spotlight is so teal.
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Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by bunkaroo
(Post 14157521)
I just checked out the scene above on the 4K disc. It’s actually the spotlights themselves that are very teal. So in that screengrab the spotlight has moved to left of the Joker. The rest of the frame isn’t quite as teal but it is weird the spotlight is so teal.
https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...09ae2b99da.jpg 4k Remaster https://cimg7.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...8c7fb2cb53.jpg First Bluray release |
Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by T-bone22
(Post 14157489)
I've seen the UHD's personally on a calibrated screen and the "teal" is quite subtle, and I'm damn sure way more accurate to the original theatrical releases coloring than the warm toned bluray from the past. I feel sorry for those that will miss out on these stunning transfers because they saw some shitty, inaccurate 'comparison' images. It couldn't be further from "atrocious".
You do have a point regarding original intent if these photos of the camera negative in the Academy Film Archive and Library of Congress are accurate. Does appear to have a tealish cast. |
Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by T-bone22
(Post 14157489)
I've seen the UHD's personally on a calibrated screen and the "teal" is quite subtle, and I'm damn sure way more accurate to the original theatrical releases coloring than the warm toned bluray from the past. I feel sorry for those that will miss out on these stunning transfers because they saw some shitty, inaccurate 'comparison' images. It couldn't be further from "atrocious".
I have watched the 4K disc on my calibrated screen, and it is equally teal in that shot. Go pull it up yourself and then tell me I'm wrong. You can't, because that is exactly what it looks like. While I may concede that the old Blu-ray has a slight bit too much red, which gives whites a pinkish tinge, it's far preferable to the blanket of teal that's been smothered on the new master. Movies made in 1989 did not look like this. The teal-and-orange fad did not begin until the advent of digital color grading tools in the early 2000s. I stand by my statement that the new color grade is atrocious.
Originally Posted by bunkaroo
(Post 14157521)
I just checked out the scene above on the 4K disc. It’s actually the spotlights themselves that are very teal. So in that screengrab the spotlight has moved to left of the Joker. The rest of the frame isn’t quite as teal but it is weird the spotlight is so teal.
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Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by ViewAskewbian
(Post 14157818)
You do have a point regarding original intent if these photos of the camera negative in the Academy Film Archive and Library of Congress are accurate. Does appear to have a tealish cast.
1) A camera negative is not color timed. In the analog days, color timing was performed at the Interpositive or Internegative stages. In today's digital era, color grading is done on the Digital Intermediate. The raw 35mm camera negative is not properly color balanced. In 1989, the release prints would have been timed for projection through an approx. 5400K Xenon projector lamp. 2) That's not a photo. It's a digital scan of some film frames. Many digital scanners will add a green bias, especially if set for a quick scan. When you add green to blue, it becomes teal. When someone shows you an alleged scan of a camera negative, it's not necessarily representative of what a release print of the movie looked like when projected in a theater. The filmmakers knew the properties of their film stock and the projector lamps, and color timed the prints accordingly to get a result on screen that they wanted. |
Re: UHD release announcements
Some more horrifically teal-ified images from Batman and Batman Returns.
https://cimg0.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...9379140a7c.jpg https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...0aabde8fd5.jpg https://cimg6.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...7f573fcefb.jpg https://cimg8.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...43c3093823.jpg https://cimg9.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...5266cc03f6.jpg |
Re: UHD release announcements
-rolleyes-
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Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by T-bone22
(Post 14158116)
-rolleyes-
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Re: UHD release announcements
Yuck... Have we lost all hope in the proper, color-appropriate restorations of classic catalogue titles? Why "upgrade" to 4k or 8k when you're just going to get 'remastered' garbage like these tealified messes?
I'm a stickler for good picture quality, good resolution. But, I'd rather watch a DVD of a favorite catalogue title which has proper theatrical color timing than an atrocious 'reimagining' of the same title in hot tealfied garbage transfer at 8k. tealification / orange mess = scribbling graffiti over classic films. Makes them unwatchable and is criminal destruction of art! This trend is even more infuriating than the widesreen / p&s debacle of 20 years ago. Thankfully, they finally got that one right. It took a good ten years of customers bitching to get them to do it, however. |
Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by zyzzle
(Post 14158142)
Yuck... Have we lost all hope in the proper, color-appropriate restorations of classic catalogue titles? Why "upgrade" to 4k or 8k when you're just going to get 'remastered' garbage like these tealified messes?
I'm a stickler for good picture quality, good resolution. But, I'd rather watch a DVD of a favorite catalogue title which has proper theatrical color timing than an atrocious 'reimagining' of the same title in hot tealfied garbage transfer at 8k. tealification / orange mess = scribbling graffiti over classic films. Makes them unwatchable and is criminal destruction of art! This trend is even more infuriating than the widesreen / p&s debacle of 20 years ago. Thankfully, they finally got that one right. It took a good ten years of customers bitching to get them to do it, however. |
Re: UHD release announcements
I have to say, I totally see what’s being discussed here when I pop in the discs on my OLED, but when I first watched these discs a couple years ago I didn’t notice it. Of course I’m not a pro reviewer or someone who has a critical eye. I’m not happy about it but I was thankfully able to enjoy them.
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Re: UHD release announcements
Originally Posted by Josh Z
(Post 14158109)
Some more horrifically teal-ified images from Batman and Batman Returns
https://cimg3.ibsrv.net/gimg/dvdtalk...0aabde8fd5.jpg |
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