Twin Peaks: Season 3/The Return - 12/5/17 (slight spoilers within)
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This suggests to me that each location may have only gotten 1 or 2 copies.
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If the store received that few copies, I wouldn't have thought I could order online for in-store pickup. Three or fewer usually show out of stock online. I'm betting there were at least four or five.
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I suspect this new season will as well. I know it plays a lot better being able to watch the episodes in chunks, rather than the week to week wait we had over the summer. FWWM was met with a lot of backlash because it was so different from the series that came before. Many of those same criticisms have been leveled toward "The Return".
FWWM spent at least a decade being labeled one of Lynch's worst movies. Now it's consistently considered one of his best, perhaps only below Mulholland Dr. and Blue Velvet.
FWWM spent at least a decade being labeled one of Lynch's worst movies. Now it's consistently considered one of his best, perhaps only below Mulholland Dr. and Blue Velvet.
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I suspect this new season will as well. I know it plays a lot better being able to watch the episodes in chunks, rather than the week to week wait we had over the summer. FWWM was met with a lot of backlash because it was so different from the series that came before. Many of those same criticisms have been leveled toward "The Return".
FWWM spent at least a decade being labeled one of Lynch's worst movies. Now it's consistently considered one of his best, perhaps only below Mulholland Dr. and Blue Velvet.
FWWM spent at least a decade being labeled one of Lynch's worst movies. Now it's consistently considered one of his best, perhaps only below Mulholland Dr. and Blue Velvet.
S3 was such a huge disappointment that it makes perfect sense why ABC tried to rope Lynch in and make him resolve the murder in S2. Lynch, left unsupervised, makes an incoherent story. Showtime should have forced Lynch to do only 7-10 episodes and not given into his demands. There was so little Twin Peaks in S3 it could have very well been a totally different show (not to mention Lynch giving himself the most screen time)
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FWWM should have tied up the loose ends Lynch purposely left with S2. He didn’t. I don’t think it “aged” at all. It’s still a mess of a film.
S3 was such a huge disappointment that it makes perfect sense why ABC tried to rope Lynch in and make him resolve the murder in S2. Lynch, left unsupervised, makes an incoherent story. Showtime should have forced Lynch to do only 7-10 episodes and not given into his demands. There was so little Twin Peaks in S3 it could have very well been a totally different show (not to mention Lynch giving himself the most screen time)
S3 was such a huge disappointment that it makes perfect sense why ABC tried to rope Lynch in and make him resolve the murder in S2. Lynch, left unsupervised, makes an incoherent story. Showtime should have forced Lynch to do only 7-10 episodes and not given into his demands. There was so little Twin Peaks in S3 it could have very well been a totally different show (not to mention Lynch giving himself the most screen time)
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I just can't bring myself to ever watch another Dougie scene again.
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It's funny... I didn't watch Twin Peaks when it ran on ABC. I didn't watch it until around 2008 or so, when I watched the whole series and FWWM. I didn't find FWWM objectionable, though I knew going into it that it was a prequel that wouldn't resolve the cliffhanger.
But I thought season three was a goddamned mess. Cooper was wasted on that Dougie shit for the bulk of his screentime, and Twin Peaks barely figured into it. The eighteen hours moved at a snail's pace, and the whole thing just felt like a waste of time. Oh, and it ended on another fucking cliffhanger. So much of this was poorly handled, and so much of the plot revolved around characters whose actors were deceased (BOB, Major Briggs, and Phillip Jeffries) that their absense was missed and the workarounds felt forced.
I'm not sure how this will "age" for me, but I can't help but think, after twenty-five years of anticipation, this is all we got?
But I thought season three was a goddamned mess. Cooper was wasted on that Dougie shit for the bulk of his screentime, and Twin Peaks barely figured into it. The eighteen hours moved at a snail's pace, and the whole thing just felt like a waste of time. Oh, and it ended on another fucking cliffhanger. So much of this was poorly handled, and so much of the plot revolved around characters whose actors were deceased (BOB, Major Briggs, and Phillip Jeffries) that their absense was missed and the workarounds felt forced.
I'm not sure how this will "age" for me, but I can't help but think, after twenty-five years of anticipation, this is all we got?
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I loved it all. I want Lynch to come back for season four.
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I completed a rewatch of The Return recently. While I liked it more than I did during its original run, thanks to binge ability, I don't see it aging well and I don't think FWWM did either. FWWM is still a scatterbrained mess and much of The Return is as well. Abandoning a character that the audience yearned for for over two decades and replacing him with Dougie / Evil Cooper was an unforgivable mistake. As was creating a narrative featuring over a hundred characters. Most of the fan fiction that has been out for years was significantly better than what we ended up getting this summer. The Return is an 18 hour David Lynch film for better or worse. I'm down for season 4 as long as Showtime forces Lynch / Frost to work with producers. Otherwise I'll just keep remembering season 1 and the first 7 episodes of season 2 with rose colored glasses.
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I completed a rewatch of The Return recently. While I liked it more than I did during its original run, thanks to binge ability, I don't see it aging well and I don't think FWWM did either. FWWM is still a scatterbrained mess and much of The Return is as well. Abandoning a character that the audience yearned for for over two decades and replacing him with Dougie / Evil Cooper was an unforgivable mistake. As was creating a narrative featuring over a hundred characters. Most of the fan fiction that has been out for years was significantly better than what we ended up getting this summer. The Return is an 18 hour David Lynch film for better or worse. I'm down for season 4 as long as Showtime forces Lynch / Frost to work with producers. Otherwise I'll just keep remembering season 1 and the first 7 episodes of season 2 with rose colored glasses.
Also, this: There's NOT going to be a Season 4. Showtime/CBS isn't interested, but they don't want to give up the rights to someone else either, just in case they decide to use the property for something down the road. I think Lynch can do a film (I think the rights CBS has don't apply to a feature for some legal reasons), but who is going to finance that? Nobody. So as much as Lynch/Frost may want to do another season (and I'm honestly not sure they do), it's never going to happen.
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So we just rented this from the library and are only three episodes in, but I gotta know. Is this series more in line with the movie? Or the first two seasons? Because I have to admit, I never really cared for the movie and couldn't even finish it. So if it's more like that, I think I'm just going to cut my losses now instead of trying to wrap my head around the next fourteen episodes.
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Re: Twin Peaks: Season 3/The Return - 12/5/17 (slight spoilers within)
So we just rented this from the library and are only three episodes in, but I gotta know. Is this series more in line with the movie? Or the first two seasons? Because I have to admit, I never really cared for the movie and couldn't even finish it. So if it's more like that, I think I'm just going to cut my losses now instead of trying to wrap my head around the next fourteen episodes.
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So we just rented this from the library and are only three episodes in, but I gotta know. Is this series more in line with the movie? Or the first two seasons? Because I have to admit, I never really cared for the movie and couldn't even finish it. So if it's more like that, I think I'm just going to cut my losses now instead of trying to wrap my head around the next fourteen episodes.
#93
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Also, this: There's NOT going to be a Season 4. Showtime/CBS isn't interested, but they don't want to give up the rights to someone else either, just in case they decide to use the property for something down the road. I think Lynch can do a film (I think the rights CBS has don't apply to a feature for some legal reasons), but who is going to finance that? Nobody. So as much as Lynch/Frost may want to do another season (and I'm honestly not sure they do), it's never going to happen.
And I don't think "nobody" will finance a film. Netflix and Amazon are highly interested in content from big names in the film industry. Because of Amazon, we're finally getting Gilliam's Don Quixote, Woody Allen did his first TV series, Winding-Refn is doing a series, etc. I don't think Lynch would get turned away if he wanted to go down that route, which from the sound of his thoughts on streaming, he doesn't. But at least Amazon releases theatrically.
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This. And a vast majority of those streaming subscribers were people who already had Showtime on a monthly basis, so they weren't (necessarily) NEW subscribers.
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I know several people who signed up just to watch TP:TR and i'm sure the numbers were significant.
Here's some quotes from CBS/Showtime execs:
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“In the world that we live in now, offering original programming that attracts new subscribers is our primary business objective,” Showtime
Networks president and CEO David Nevins said. “By that standard, the Twin Peaks premiere is the biggest single-night driver we’ve ever had.”
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“Our Showtime over-the-top (OTT) service is coming off a terrific quarter as well, thanks largely to Twin Peaks,” said Moonves, referring to the paid service. “The premiere of the show led to our biggest day and biggest weekend ever for OTT signups, and the percentage of viewers streaming Twin Peaks is the highest we’ve ever had for a show, which is good news because OTT subscribers are more profitable for us.”
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OTT=Cable/Satellite service which includes streaming.
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Of course I don't know the real numbers from Showtime, but I do know this: Executive Producer Sabrina Sutherland has told me (and others via online communication) that there have been ZERO chats between David Lynch and Showtime since the series left the air. They haven't reached out to him at all. (This would have been as of late October this year). Last I heard, David is moving onto other things, focusing primarily on his art.
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Of course I don't know the real numbers from Showtime, but I do know this: Executive Producer Sabrina Sutherland has told me (and others via online communication) that there have been ZERO chats between David Lynch and Showtime since the series left the air. They haven't reached out to him at all. (This would have been as of late October this year). Last I heard, David is moving onto other things, focusing primarily on his art.
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Nobody in their right mind is going to bankroll a David Lynch movie when he's doing stuff like Inland Empire and Twin Peaks The Return.
You can defend the artistic merit of his recent output, but if you hand him ten or twenty million dollars to make a movie, you won't get a dime of it back.
You can defend the artistic merit of his recent output, but if you hand him ten or twenty million dollars to make a movie, you won't get a dime of it back.
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COMING ON 10/15:
* Twin Peaks - The Complete Television Collection (Paramount)
DVD; Blu-ray
EXTRAS: A wealth of intriguing, behind-the-scenes special features
-----For the first time, in one collection, the complete television phenomenon TWIN PEAKS: All 29 episodes of the original groundbreaking seasons; All 18 parts of the "Limited Event Series" - the return to Twin Peaks - that captivated audiences 25 years later, written by the series co-creators and entirely directed by David Lynch. So grab a cup of coffee, a slice of cherry pie, and experience the legendary mystery...again and again!
From TV Shows On DVD:
COMING ON 10/15:
* Twin Peaks - The Complete Television Collection (Paramount)
DVD; Blu-ray
EXTRAS: A wealth of intriguing, behind-the-scenes special features
-----For the first time, in one collection, the complete television phenomenon TWIN PEAKS: All 29 episodes of the original groundbreaking seasons; All 18 parts of the "Limited Event Series" - the return to Twin Peaks - that captivated audiences 25 years later, written by the series co-creators and entirely directed by David Lynch. So grab a cup of coffee, a slice of cherry pie, and experience the legendary mystery...again and again!