The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
#26
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
I bought the theatricals and then the extendeds of LOTR on DVD. I still have the extendeds because of the beautiful packaging, but replaced the theatricals on Blu because the DVDs looked pretty bad.
We've bought the theatrical versions of The Hobbit on Bluray with the Lego extra but I'm waiting for a boxset of the extended versions to buy all at once.
We've bought the theatrical versions of The Hobbit on Bluray with the Lego extra but I'm waiting for a boxset of the extended versions to buy all at once.
#27
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
Looks like Best Buy is getting a steelbook
Also on the same day, the trilogy is being released. Best Buy is also getting a steelbook version of that
and regular 2D & 3D versions as well
Also on the same day, the trilogy is being released. Best Buy is also getting a steelbook version of that
and regular 2D & 3D versions as well
#30
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
I'm not sure I could sit through an extended trilogy
I like that steel book.
I like that steel book.
#31
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
Given WB claiming to be fully on board with Atmos (enough for them to re-issue Gravity) and doubtlessly not passing up an opportunity to milk even more money from this franchise, it just might happen. What they would never do is remaster a movie whose previous BD had mediocre picture quality (I'm looking at you The Dark Knight).
Probably looking at mid to late 2017 for this set. Depending on Jackson's idea of creating a respectable 6-film collection and possibly more extras being piled on (there are several hours of deleted scenes from LOTR alone, and having the cast reflect back on their roles, etc.), it could be later.
Fuck, since I already whored myself out to the theatrical and extended cuts of the 1st 2 movies, might as well do the same for this.
I can probably sell the UV code for the theatrical release for around $4-5 bucks to off set the cost. Same with the Extended release when that's released.
When all is said and done, I can't believe I will own the following by the end of 2015.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy theatrical cuts (DVD) and extended cuts (DVD)
The Lord of the Rings trilogy blu-ray extended cuts
The Hobbit trilogy theatrical and extended cuts on blu-ray.
I can probably sell the UV code for the theatrical release for around $4-5 bucks to off set the cost. Same with the Extended release when that's released.
When all is said and done, I can't believe I will own the following by the end of 2015.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy theatrical cuts (DVD) and extended cuts (DVD)
The Lord of the Rings trilogy blu-ray extended cuts
The Hobbit trilogy theatrical and extended cuts on blu-ray.
#32
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
TDKR looks fantastic. It might seem soft to some but this is due to dupes being used instead of DIs. It would be great if Nolan and Pfister were willing to use DI's but I'm sure they'd fear the studio would then use that as an excuse to apply the Teal & Orange filter (there is no such filter but the assembly line look to color graded movies these days makes it seem as if they are using a standard T&O preset) with no care whatsoever as to achieving a certain look for the film.
#33
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
There are whole sequences excised from the original three. There was an action sequence in a forest after the Fellowship escape Moria (snippets of this made it into the trailers), Arwen originally fought in Helm's Deep (there are pictures of this online and in some film magazines), and originally Aragorn encountered Sauron sans armor (instead of speaking to the Mouth of Sauron, which explains the lack of a cadaver during the extended cut) and then fought a losing battle against an armored Sauron (who was digitally covered up with a troll in the finished cut of the movie). Apparently there's tons more footage like this that was never released.
#34
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
There are whole sequences excised from the original three. There was an action sequence in a forest after the Fellowship escape Moria (snippets of this made it into the trailers), Arwen originally fought in Helm's Deep (there are pictures of this online and in some film magazines), and originally Aragorn encountered Sauron sans armor (instead of speaking to the Mouth of Sauron, which explains the lack of a cadaver during the extended cut) and then fought a losing battle against an armored Sauron (who was digitally covered up with a troll in the finished cut of the movie). Apparently there's tons more footage like this that was never released.
#35
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
There are whole sequences excised from the original three. There was an action sequence in a forest after the Fellowship escape Moria (snippets of this made it into the trailers), Arwen originally fought in Helm's Deep (there are pictures of this online and in some film magazines), and originally Aragorn encountered Sauron sans armor (instead of speaking to the Mouth of Sauron, which explains the lack of a cadaver during the extended cut) and then fought a losing battle against an armored Sauron (who was digitally covered up with a troll in the finished cut of the movie). Apparently there's tons more footage like this that was never released.
http://www.eorlingas.org/elfsheen/ae.php?cut
Éowyn fighting in the caves at Helm's Deep (TTT)
We know about this because of two pictures (1 2) and a trailer clip (screencap). It would have been very cool to keep this scene for Éowyn, especially since I can't see her being present at Helm's Deep and not fighting. Also, it's frustrating that her character is built up in TTT, then dropped until the very end of the movie (the same thing happens to her in RotK). This would have been a great way to keep Éowyn's storyline going. On the other hand, it makes it more special when Éowyn rides to the Pelennor in disguise. Miranda mentioned on the TTT actors' commentary that she's glad the cave scenes were cut.
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from wiki - yes apparently at one point Arwen was at Helm's Deep
Jackson talks about several scenes that hit the cutting room floor in his commentary track on 'Fellowship' (extended cut) - but as he points out, just because there was more footage doesn't mean it was all worthy of reinstating back into the extended cuts.
- Additional footage from the Battle of the Last Alliance in The Fellowship of the Ring prologue.
- An obscure shot from the trailers of two Elven girls playing about in Rivendell.
- Scene mentioned in The Fellowship of the Ring commentary, about an animal disrupting Frodo and Sam while they sleep, after seeing the Wood Elves. Many animals were used, including rabbits and deer.[10]
- Dialogue from the Council of Elrond, such as Gandalf explaining how Sauron forged the One Ring.[10]
- An attack by Orcs from Moria on Lothlórien after the Fellowship leaves Moria. Jackson replaced this with a more suspenseful entrance for the Fellowship. Much of the lost footage can be seen as promotional material on The Fellowship of the Ring theatrical DVD and tie-in books, documentary footage on the Extended Editions, and Trading Cards.
- More Arwen footage, including a flashback scene of her first meeting with a beardless Aragorn (seen in The Two Towers teaser).
- Faramir having a vision of Frodo becoming like Gollum.[13]
- Footage of Arwen at Helm's Deep, cut by Jackson during a revision to the film's plot. Foreshadowing this sequence were scenes where Arwen and Elrond visit Galadriel at Lothlórien (seen in The Two Towers teaser trailer). - The scene was edited down to a telepathic communication between Elrond and Galadriel.[13]
- Théoden speaking to the troops in the armoury, prior to the Battle of Helm's Deep.
- Éowyn defending the refugees in the Glittering Caves from Uruk-hai intruders.[27]
- An unknown scene displayed in The Two Towers preview of Éomer lowering a spear while riding his horse in a forest.
- Frodo and Sam fighting on the ground in Osgiliath (after Sam tackles Frodo away from the Ringwraith). The scene's fighting was deleted, but Frodo drawing Sting and pointing it at Sam after he is tackeled was left in.[28]
- A line of dialogue during the death of Saruman, in which he reveals that Wormtongue poisoned Théodred, giving further context as to why Wormtongue kills Saruman and Legolas in turn kills Wormtongue.[29]
- A conversation between Elrond and Arwen in a library in Rivendell, after Arwen decides to wait for Aragorn. Elrond leaves, saying, "You gave away your life's grace. I cannot protect you anymore."[30]
- Sam using the Light of Eärendil to pass the Watchers at Cirith Ungol.
- Aragorn having his armour fitted during the preparations for the Battle of the Black Gate. This was the final scene filmed during principal photography.[17]
- Sauron fighting Aragorn at the Black Gate. A computer-generated Troll was placed over Sauron due to Jackson feeling the scene was inappropriate. Sauron is also seen in a beautiful form as Annatar, Giver of Gifts.[17]
- Also at the Black Gate sequence, Pippin was seen in the trailer holding a wounded Merry, a scene which takes place after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields upon Pippin discovering Merry under the mûmak.
- Further epilogue footage, including that of Legolas and Gimli, as well as Éowyn and Faramir's wedding and Aragorn's death and funeral.[31]
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#36
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I had no idea. So maybe Jackson is prepping more extensions for the further releases?
I had no idea. Did it eventually evolve into the Amon Hen sequence?
I knew that they'd planned this when it was going to be two films, I didn't know that it ever got to a stage where they shot anything.
Why? Because Jackson makes up scripts as he goes along, did they just have different idea and use the flexibility CG brings, or what? I had no idea about that.
Certainly a selling point for the boxed set if WB will let Jackson fiddle with it some more. I wonder what else there is for the new trilogy? It was already padded beyond belief, I can't imagine that there's much. Saw the EE of DOS, wasn't quite the improvement I was hoping for, though some cool stuff, especially Thrain at Dol Goldur. No new Smaug. Alfrid annoyed me in BOTFA, so more of him in DOS was not particularly pleasant, and Gandalf sweet-talking Beorn was kind of pointless, though his council with Gandalf about Dol Goldur was interesting. I wonder what the BOTFA EE will pay off with Alfrid? Hopefully he serves some narrative purpose beyond being annoying. Took the damn library long enough to get it.
Do they even mess with negatives, or apply digital manipulation even to their prints, back when they used to make them?
I think it has more to do with their steadfast holding to using celluloid in a traditional way, including photochemical color-timing, and their aesthetic preference for it. Like I said, it's admirable, and they're pretty much it. Even Quentin "I hate digital so much I'm going stop making movies because 35mm is magical" Tarantino is using DIs.
There was an action sequence in a forest after the Fellowship escape Moria (snippets of this made it into the trailers)
Arwen originally fought in Helm's Deep (there are pictures of this online and in some film magazines)
and originally Aragorn encountered Sauron sans armor (instead of speaking to the Mouth of Sauron, which explains the lack of a cadaver during the extended cut) and then fought a losing battle against an armored Sauron (who was digitally covered up with a troll in the finished cut of the movie).
Apparently there's tons more footage like this that was never released.
TDK was digitally manipulated in post. The colors were changed, contrast was boosted, and the image artificially sharpened. Apparently the blame lies with IMAX. It seems they like to fuck up movies with overzealous digital manipulation in an effort to make them look "better".
TDKR looks fantastic. It might seem soft to some but this is due to dupes being used instead of DIs. It would be great if Nolan and Pfister were willing to use DI's but I'm sure they'd fear the studio would then use that as an excuse to apply the Teal & Orange filter (there is no such filter but the assembly line look to color graded movies these days makes it seem as if they are using a standard T&O preset) with no care whatsoever as to achieving a certain look for the film.
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#37
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
Jackson and Co. claim they felt they strayed too much from the books (although I'm sure there was likely fan backlash like with Arwen in Helms Deep) so they changed it in post to Aragorn fighting a troll and shot the Mouth of Sauron sequence that was in the book.
Certainly a selling point for the boxed set if WB will let Jackson fiddle with it some more. I wonder what else there is for the new trilogy? It was already padded beyond belief, I can't imagine that there's much. Saw the EE of DOS, wasn't quite the improvement I was hoping for, though some cool stuff, especially Thrain at Dol Goldur. No new Smaug. Alfrid annoyed me in BOTFA, so more of him in DOS was not particularly pleasant, and Gandalf sweet-talking Beorn was kind of pointless, though his council with Gandalf about Dol Goldur was interesting. I wonder what the BOTFA EE will pay off with Alfrid? Hopefully he serves some narrative purpose beyond being annoying. Took the damn library long enough to get it.
I think it has more to do with their steadfast holding to using celluloid in a traditional way, including photochemical color-timing, and their aesthetic preference for it. Like I said, it's admirable, and they're pretty much it. Even Quentin "I hate digital so much I'm going stop making movies because 35mm is magical" Tarantino is using DIs.
#39
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
Annatar The Giver of Gifts - this was some unfinished renderings of what that figure would have looked like before shifting into the armoured form.
#40
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
do you mean Eowyn? because in early trailers of 'Two Towers' she's persued by orcs and a fight ensues: (sorry for the crappy picture) - the fight scene is not in the trailer but the orc stalking her is.
[url]Jackson talks about several scenes that hit the cutting room floor in his commentary track on 'Fellowship' (extended cut) - but as he points out, just because there was more footage doesn't mean it was all worthy of reinstating back into the extended cuts.
- Additional footage from the Battle of the Last Alliance in The Fellowship of the Ring prologue.
- An obscure shot from the trailers of two Elven girls playing about in Rivendell.
- Scene mentioned in The Fellowship of the Ring commentary, about an animal disrupting Frodo and Sam while they sleep, after seeing the Wood Elves. Many animals were used, including rabbits and deer.[10]
- Dialogue from the Council of Elrond, such as Gandalf explaining how Sauron forged the One Ring.[10]
- An attack by Orcs from Moria on Lothlórien after the Fellowship leaves Moria. Jackson replaced this with a more suspenseful entrance for the Fellowship. Much of the lost footage can be seen as promotional material on The Fellowship of the Ring theatrical DVD and tie-in books, documentary footage on the Extended Editions, and Trading Cards.
- More Arwen footage, including a flashback scene of her first meeting with a beardless Aragorn (seen in The Two Towers teaser).
- Faramir having a vision of Frodo becoming like Gollum.[13]
- Footage of Arwen at Helm's Deep, cut by Jackson during a revision to the film's plot. Foreshadowing this sequence were scenes where Arwen and Elrond visit Galadriel at Lothlórien (seen in The Two Towers teaser trailer). - The scene was edited down to a telepathic communication between Elrond and Galadriel.[13]
- Théoden speaking to the troops in the armoury, prior to the Battle of Helm's Deep.
- Éowyn defending the refugees in the Glittering Caves from Uruk-hai intruders.[27]
- An unknown scene displayed in The Two Towers preview of Éomer lowering a spear while riding his horse in a forest.
- Frodo and Sam fighting on the ground in Osgiliath (after Sam tackles Frodo away from the Ringwraith). The scene's fighting was deleted, but Frodo drawing Sting and pointing it at Sam after he is tackeled was left in.[28]
- A line of dialogue during the death of Saruman, in which he reveals that Wormtongue poisoned Théodred, giving further context as to why Wormtongue kills Saruman and Legolas in turn kills Wormtongue.[29]
- A conversation between Elrond and Arwen in a library in Rivendell, after Arwen decides to wait for Aragorn. Elrond leaves, saying, "You gave away your life's grace. I cannot protect you anymore."[30]
- Sam using the Light of Eärendil to pass the Watchers at Cirith Ungol.
- Aragorn having his armour fitted during the preparations for the Battle of the Black Gate. This was the final scene filmed during principal photography.[17]
- Sauron fighting Aragorn at the Black Gate. A computer-generated Troll was placed over Sauron due to Jackson feeling the scene was inappropriate. Sauron is also seen in a beautiful form as Annatar, Giver of Gifts.[17]
- Also at the Black Gate sequence, Pippin was seen in the trailer holding a wounded Merry, a scene which takes place after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields upon Pippin discovering Merry under the mûmak.
- Further epilogue footage, including that of Legolas and Gimli, as well as Éowyn and Faramir's wedding and Aragorn's death and funeral.[31]
[url]Jackson talks about several scenes that hit the cutting room floor in his commentary track on 'Fellowship' (extended cut) - but as he points out, just because there was more footage doesn't mean it was all worthy of reinstating back into the extended cuts.
- Additional footage from the Battle of the Last Alliance in The Fellowship of the Ring prologue.
- An obscure shot from the trailers of two Elven girls playing about in Rivendell.
- Scene mentioned in The Fellowship of the Ring commentary, about an animal disrupting Frodo and Sam while they sleep, after seeing the Wood Elves. Many animals were used, including rabbits and deer.[10]
- Dialogue from the Council of Elrond, such as Gandalf explaining how Sauron forged the One Ring.[10]
- An attack by Orcs from Moria on Lothlórien after the Fellowship leaves Moria. Jackson replaced this with a more suspenseful entrance for the Fellowship. Much of the lost footage can be seen as promotional material on The Fellowship of the Ring theatrical DVD and tie-in books, documentary footage on the Extended Editions, and Trading Cards.
- More Arwen footage, including a flashback scene of her first meeting with a beardless Aragorn (seen in The Two Towers teaser).
- Faramir having a vision of Frodo becoming like Gollum.[13]
- Footage of Arwen at Helm's Deep, cut by Jackson during a revision to the film's plot. Foreshadowing this sequence were scenes where Arwen and Elrond visit Galadriel at Lothlórien (seen in The Two Towers teaser trailer). - The scene was edited down to a telepathic communication between Elrond and Galadriel.[13]
- Théoden speaking to the troops in the armoury, prior to the Battle of Helm's Deep.
- Éowyn defending the refugees in the Glittering Caves from Uruk-hai intruders.[27]
- An unknown scene displayed in The Two Towers preview of Éomer lowering a spear while riding his horse in a forest.
- Frodo and Sam fighting on the ground in Osgiliath (after Sam tackles Frodo away from the Ringwraith). The scene's fighting was deleted, but Frodo drawing Sting and pointing it at Sam after he is tackeled was left in.[28]
- A line of dialogue during the death of Saruman, in which he reveals that Wormtongue poisoned Théodred, giving further context as to why Wormtongue kills Saruman and Legolas in turn kills Wormtongue.[29]
- A conversation between Elrond and Arwen in a library in Rivendell, after Arwen decides to wait for Aragorn. Elrond leaves, saying, "You gave away your life's grace. I cannot protect you anymore."[30]
- Sam using the Light of Eärendil to pass the Watchers at Cirith Ungol.
- Aragorn having his armour fitted during the preparations for the Battle of the Black Gate. This was the final scene filmed during principal photography.[17]
- Sauron fighting Aragorn at the Black Gate. A computer-generated Troll was placed over Sauron due to Jackson feeling the scene was inappropriate. Sauron is also seen in a beautiful form as Annatar, Giver of Gifts.[17]
- Also at the Black Gate sequence, Pippin was seen in the trailer holding a wounded Merry, a scene which takes place after the Battle of the Pelennor Fields upon Pippin discovering Merry under the mûmak.
- Further epilogue footage, including that of Legolas and Gimli, as well as Éowyn and Faramir's wedding and Aragorn's death and funeral.[31]
Still pissed that they wasted so much of the 4 disc EE of RotK on the dead kid when they could have included all of these scenes.
#41
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
While this stuff might not necessarily work in the Extended Editions of the films, the deleted scenes should have been included somewhere on the DVDs (and blu-rays) if it was filmed.
Still pissed that they wasted so much of the 4 disc EE of RotK on the dead kid when they could have included all of these scenes.
Still pissed that they wasted so much of the 4 disc EE of RotK on the dead kid when they could have included all of these scenes.
#42
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
The last section in the special features feels a bit out of place. "Cameron Duncan: The Inspiration for 'Into the West'" is a 32-minute featurette that focuses on a young New Zealand filmmaker who was the inspiration for the song that closes The Return of the King. We learn about him and his struggles with cancer, and get to see clips of his work, but it doesn't really feel particularly relevant or compelling.
#43
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
One thing that irked me about the EE BDs was that they recycled the DVDs for the special features. Even if they didn't want to include HD versions of any of the footage, all that SD content could have been packed into one or two BDs. Heck, if they wanted to bloat the set with extra discs, include an additional BD with all the deleted scenes.
Also, despite the length of these movies, the AVC codec is efficient enough that they didn't need to split the EEs across two discs. The first release of Kingdom of Heaven clocks just over 3 hours and was encoded in the space hog that is MPEG2 and still managed to look great. And don't give me the audio commentary excuse. Those were encoded at like 192kbps. That's barely a blip in the radar.
Wow, that does seem excessive.
Also, despite the length of these movies, the AVC codec is efficient enough that they didn't need to split the EEs across two discs. The first release of Kingdom of Heaven clocks just over 3 hours and was encoded in the space hog that is MPEG2 and still managed to look great. And don't give me the audio commentary excuse. Those were encoded at like 192kbps. That's barely a blip in the radar.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
When all is said and done, I can't believe I will own the following by the end of 2015.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy theatrical cuts (DVD) and extended cuts (DVD)
The Lord of the Rings trilogy blu-ray extended cuts
The Hobbit trilogy theatrical and extended cuts on blu-ray.
The Lord of the Rings trilogy theatrical cuts (DVD) and extended cuts (DVD)
The Lord of the Rings trilogy blu-ray extended cuts
The Hobbit trilogy theatrical and extended cuts on blu-ray.
-LOTR trilogy two-disc theatrical DVDs
-LOTR trilogy extended edition DVDs (including the FOTR collector's set with bookends)
-LOTR theatrical/extended DVDs with Costa Botes documentaries
-LOTR theatrical BD set
-LOTR extended BD set
-LOTR theatrical digital copies
-LOTR extended digital copies
Here's what I have for Hobbit:
-first film extended edition purchased with Xbox credit
-second film theatrical BD combo with digital HD
I have no idea what I'm going to do about the third film.
#45
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
I got the digital version of the third film on my PS3. That will suffice until the release the EE on BR. I own the other two BRs only in EE form , so I'm not going to get a TC in that format.
#46
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
Jackson talks about several scenes that hit the cutting room floor in his commentary track on 'Fellowship' (extended cut) - but as he points out, just because there was more footage doesn't mean it was all worthy of reinstating back into the extended cuts.
- A line of dialogue during the death of Saruman, in which he reveals that Wormtongue poisoned Théodred, giving further context as to why Wormtongue kills Saruman and Legolas in turn kills Wormtongue.[29]
I also cannot get enough of the visual effects, so if there's a deer playing around in a field...add it. Because so much work went into this film, I'd like to see as much effects as possible. It just looks so awesome on an HDTV.
#47
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
Remember in the EE of FOTR when Aragon is with the Elves negotiating passage into the realm of Galadriel? Notice how fucked up the Hobbits look. This is because the scene with Gimli referring to Galadriel as an "Elf Witch" was a reshoot. Originally, the Orcs exited Moria and followed the Fellowship into the forest. As the Fellowship was overrun, suddenly arrows whiz bye (one passes right in front of Legolas' face - this is the shot that made it into the trailer) and kill the Orcs. Then the Elves reveal themselves and the EE version of the scene plays out.
Pictures made it online and fans started complaining. Some even started making comments of Arwen: Warrior Princess. So Jackson reshot the whole sequence of the Elves arriving to Helms Deep without Arwen and had the telepathy conversation between Elrond and Galadriel to explain the Elves' arrival.
It's because there is never a confrontation between Aragorn and Sauron and it didn't feel cinematic. In the appendices it's mentioned that Sauron once appeared without armor. This was when Morgoth was defeated and Sauron was taken prisoner. Jackson liked the idea that Sauron could coerce people (even more than Saruman ever could) and that he would potentially convince Aragorn to surrender. We were to see Sauron as some beautiful man (I've seen no pictures or footage of the actor chosen nor do I know his name) so basically an uber- Elf. You see a bit of this when Aragon hears Sauron's voice coming from the Eye (just before Aragorn says "for Frodo"). Sauron would then materialize his armor (at which point it was Sala Baker in the same costume he wore during the prologue of FOTR) and beat the living crap out of Aragorn during the big battle.
Jackson and Co. claim they felt they strayed too much from the books (although I'm sure there was likely fan backlash like with Arwen in Helms Deep) so they changed it in post to Aragorn fighting a troll and shot the Mouth of Sauron sequence that was in the book.
I'd like the EE of BotFA to feature less Alfrid.
He should have been flattened alongside the Master. It's obvious his only purpose was to counterpoint how selfless Bard was but that really wasn't necessary and was already achieved in his dealings with Thorin and Thranduil, as well as how he took care of the needs of his people.
They scan the negatives. Make the color alterations on computer and then print out a brand new negative. All subsequent interpositives are based off the newly printed negative.
Yeah, they have also mentioned the aesthetic look. But Nolan has also gone on record that he believes photochemical color-timing is also a more efficient method. It seems he has no patience for the scanning process. This would explain his insistence on using as little CGI as possible and doing most visual effects in-camera. Although, I like that approach since CGI looks its best when used sparingly. When there's CGI overload, the effects houses tend to cut as many corners as possible.
One thing that irked me about the EE BDs was that they recycled the DVDs for the special features. Even if they didn't want to include HD versions of any of the footage, all that SD content could have been packed into one or two BDs. Heck, if they wanted to bloat the set with extra discs, include an additional BD with all the deleted scenes.
Also, despite the length of these movies, the AVC codec is efficient enough that they didn't need to split the EEs across two discs. The first release of Kingdom of Heaven clocks just over 3 hours and was encoded in the space hog that is MPEG2 and still managed to look great. And don't give me the audio commentary excuse. Those were encoded at like 192kbps. That's barely a blip in the radar.
#48
DVD Talk Hero
Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
In any case, despite Jackson's claim to want to stick to the book, I'm sure it was a case of fan backlash (like Arwen at Helms Deep) that made him change that final action sequence.
As far as I know, he was a reshoot. Which explains why his horse, cadaver, and severed head all go missing when Aragorn and his allies ride away from the Black Gates as they open.
Of course, those probably vanished with all the horses that vanished during the final charge when Aragorn said "for Frodo".
Actually, he has cut stuff out. He just tends to replace them with alternate footage. I'd gladly take more Thranduil scenery chewing in exchange for every Alfrid scene after the pre-title sequence.
Not really. It leaves the original negative untouched and undoes the need for dupes. That means a sharper (more detailed) interpositive. Dupes tend to look a tad soft.
The more CG you use, the more work there is for the FX crew and without years of post, some of it is likely to look clunky (like it does way too often with Jackson). I've heard that Spielberg, for instance, is really a taskmaster and won't final shots until he thinks they look right, and tries to get the number down to much less than would be average for an FX movie. Nolan says he also prefers the practical effects because it allows actors to physically interact with what's there on the set. He should enjoy 35mm for the remaining six months he'll be able to .
I remember reading an article on the Digital Bits about Jackson considering reworking of the LOTR stuff for a future release. While I wouldn't be hugely enthusiastic about that, seeing all of this would be very interesting, and a great selling point for a new release.
I think that the new masters for the BD versions came right off of the DIs. My assumption was that they just recycled old discs of the extras. If all of the stuff was in SD, it could easily fit on one BD, maybe for all three movies. It'd also save tons of space.
Some of the documentaries were shot in HD. So WB were just being super cheap. And, yes, if they insisted on keeping everything in SD, they could have easily crammed the bulk of the special features on one BD.
Each movie had four commentaries though . I wish I could figure out how to rip my audio commentaries on some of my DVD commentaries into files for my iPod. Maybe they're planning on making that new footage selling point for a future release (And just maybe, they'll fix the green wash on FOTR). I hope in vain that they'll include the TE extras too so I can finally get rid of those and my DVD EEs. And since I haven't bought and of the Hobbit releases, I hope they'll do likewise, though I'm sure the best we can hope for is the EEs repackaged. And it'll probably be like 2016 before we get that boxed set .
As for the TC special features, they are on the TC BDs. They could always do a super box set with both cuts and the special features. That and Jackson did say he wanted to convert the LotR films to 3D. So a new boxset is very likely.
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Re: The Hobbit: The Battle of the Five Armies - March 24
Ain't that the truth. It's kinda like my pet peeve with the TC of TTT. Frodo tells Gollum that Gandalf told him he was Sméagol. That never happened in the TC of FotR. That only makes sense if you watched the EE of FotR. I'm okay with that scene being a part of the EE of TTT but it should not have happened in the TC.
True. Which is why I wish he had stuck to his guns about Arwen. Especially since fans of the books always bitched about how she comes out of nowhere in the novel and marries Aragorn. For years, book fans wanted Aragon to hook up with Eowyn instead. Sure, the Appendices give you the missing history but it feels like a narrative flaw in the story proper since Aragorn doesn't even mention Arwen when he continuously rebuffs Eowyn.
You are correct. Sauron stayed locked in his tower. That said, Jackson was a bit literal about the Eye. That's simply how his power and reach was perceived. He never actually lost his physical form. He was just content to sit on his thrown and let his grunts do the real work, while he waited for his Ring to return to him.
Actually, he has cut stuff out. He just tends to replace them with alternate footage. I'd gladly take more Thranduil scenery chewing in exchange for every Alfrid scene after the pre-title sequence.
Yup. It was just a case of going back to an already dry well.
Not really. It leaves the original negative untouched and undoes the need for dupes. That means a sharper (more detailed) interpositive. Dupes tend to look a tad soft.
As far as I recall, all Jackson wanted to change was Gollum in FotR. It's obvious it's a completely different CGI model than what was used in the sequels. That's a change I could get behind because the differences always bothered me.
Yes but FotR was tweaked a bit when the EE was released. There's a green push. Not as bad as people make it out to be but very noticeable when you do an A/B comparison with the BD release of the TC.
Some of the documentaries were shot in HD. So WB were just being super cheap. And, yes, if they insisted on keeping everything in SD, they could have easily crammed the bulk of the special features on one BD.
As for the TC special features, they are on the TC BDs.
They could always do a super box set with both cuts and the special features.
That and Jackson did say he wanted to convert the LotR films to 3D.
So a new boxset is very likely.