Julie Walker

Both versions of the remake are R rated.

I'm skipping this set as much as I'd love to see the films in HD. I can't afford it at the moment, and the lack of unrated Jason Goes To Hell really reeks since the R version is worthless, while the unrated version is outrageous grisly fun. I really hate Warner now and their wussy attitude lately regarding unrated releases and such. They have no excuse for not including both versions of the film considering HD masters obviously exist.

The original, I actually prefer the R rated version. So I wish both versions of that had been included as well. But I'll just hold onto my dvd from the first box set of the films for that.

Bluelitespecial

After watching 5, 6, and 7 the last few days. I would call 7 one of the worst from the series. Cutting all the gore really hurts it, too bad an uncut version will never happen.

OldBoy

You can borrow my set JW when and if i ever finish it

TheMovieman

Got the set in today. Not bad though I'm not a huge fan of the series (have had a mild enjoyment including the '09 remake) so not having the uncut version of 7 is not a big deal, but I do see why people would be pissed if not disappointed especially for something called "The Complete Collection".

LosingMyMind

I take it that Jason X is the cut version too?

TheMovieman

Yes, it's the R-rated version.

Matthew Chmiel

The only "extended" cuts that officially exist are of the first film, número nueve, and the reboot. The box set maintains the uncut edit of the first film and the "killer cut" of the reboot, but drops the uncut version of Jason Goes to Hell in favor for the R-rated theatrical edit ...

... despite the fact a HD master exists for it ...

... and is currently available on any Ultraviolet-based service and iTunes to name some examples ...

Warner half-assed this release and I now have all of the films in 1080p thanks due to the 50% Vudi disc-to-digital conversion. I'm okay holding off on the set until it drops below $40. Hell, maybe even less.

Pizza

How bizarre and stupid not to release the uncut versions of these films in this set. It's Friday the 13th for crying out loud. Unless I see the set for serious discount I'm skipping it.

My Other Self

Although I agree it blows that they're not including the uncut version of JGTH for completists sake, I think the theatrical version is better (which isn't saying much) so it's not a deal-breaker for me. I don't know if I'd ever watch the remake again and so long as I finally get The New Blood and Jason Takes Manhattan in full 1080p I'll be happy.

I capped the uncut version of JGTH when it aired a few years ago on some channel (Epix maybe?), and the transfer was pretty lousy. I don't think it's fair to say Warner half-assed this release when all they did was not include a weaker version of an already weak entry in the franchise. It's not their propety to begin with, and now that they have absolutely no stake in future installments by giving the rights to the character back to Paramount, I personally can't complain.

I'm usually the type to just go out and boycott a release if its not done right, but in this case I don't think there's enough reason to.

All if this IMO since I know the F13th film rankings are very subjective. If the transfers on the remaining un-released films blow, then I'll pass.

VHS?

So ... fans got shafted again with another half-assed release. Not surprised
This series did again, what it has always done, make money for the company and fans keep getting duped.

stvn1974

I gave in an re-ordered the set. I knew I would because I have no self control. Can't wait to watch these since I haven't seen most of them since their original release dates at the theater.

Torchur317

It's lame they are still releasing the theater cuts of all these films (especially on stuff with uncut versions already released!), I wish they would spend a little money to restore & release them all of them uncut someday!

My Other Self

Don't you have to be tricked to be duped? Unless I'm missing something where the box states there's the Unrated cut of JGTH and the proper 3D version of Part 3, I don't see how we're being duped.

I won't argue that this franchise isn't a cash cow, but I'm still not understanding why some are thinking this release is half-assed. Are reviews out and the transfers are crappy? What am I missing here? Not necessarily disputing your opinion, but maybe I need to be educated on what WB did wrong here.

VHS?

They did what Paramount did, release the same shit we already have.
The advert read as if we were getting something new when in fact they are the same damn transfers. Only thing they added was a bunch of crap. All special features are carried over. You get UV versions of the movies. Oh, and you get a Camp Crystal Lake patch ...
While they did not mention the visual part, one should probably assume it's the same transfers. But that's not what I meant about getting duped. What I meant was we were told about a new box set, then the details came out and what do you know. They know fans will gripe but ultimately buy the thing anyway.
Rather than take the time and do actual WORK and put out a good product, they slap together another set and add some crap trinkets to it and take the money. No better than Paramount.

Some BestBuy stores have sold copies but so far nobody has done a review.
Cant wait for a YouTube review on how cool the patch is.

My Other Self

But that's just it. They didn't release the same shit Paramount did. Paramount has given up on catalog releases, so much that they licensed almost their entire back catalog to a competing film studio. Guess who entirely gave up after releasing Part 3 on BD?
Are you referring to the press release? Did it specifically state new transfers, a mess of new special features and other things? As far a I recall when the box was announced details were actually rather scant, and it wasn't until fans started digging on to the promotional photos that we realized what we were getting.
WB is using Paramount's masters on their entire back catalog they're releasing, so I would assume so too. My guess is they're the same masters that have aired on Epix and other channels, and with the exception of JGTH, they look pretty good. I doubt WB cares enough of something they don't even own to even think that. We weren't really told about any elaborate boxset. The rumor started on a horror fansite but there were absolutely no confirmed details. It was all speculation.
As a fan of the franchise for over 20 years now, I get yours and everyone elses frustration. The home video market has changed drastically, especially from DVDs heyday. I remember when the long-rumored true uncut version of The New Blood was being worked on, then it turned out some footage had basically turned to dust, so they couldn't release it. Fans went nuts and were going to boycott that release, too. Just like this. Paramount had done shoddy work, but low sales ultimately canceled the rest of the Deluxe Edition BDs from even being released. That's why the fact that we're getting this at all is a bit surprising to me.

I dunno, again, not seeing the big deal The fact that WB is putting this out in HD is good enough for me.

Julie Walker

I'd like to comment on the bold portions.

Why do you think the R rated version of Jason Goes To Hell is better than the unrated version? To me, the R version is similar to the R version of Dead Alive, which is worthless since all the 'good stuff' is completely cut out.

The cable transfer of the uncut version may have been from an older master. The uncut HD print available for purchase as a download online is said to look really awesome from what I've read. So you can't judge the condition of the uncut version based on a cable airing.


Also Warner Bros does own Jason Goes To Hell, Jason X, and Freddy Vs Jason, since those were New Line productions, not Paramount. And since Warner now owns New Line who is sadly not independent anymore(it'd be uncut more than likely in that case). So they have no excuse for not offering the unrated version of JGTH along side the R rated version. It's their movie, they own it, they own the masters, and HD masters exist for the unrated version. So pure laziness and also a new found prudishness to 'unrated' releases is the reason it's missing.

This and the lack of a true 3D version of part 3 are the biggest negatives the set has going for it. The lack of 'new' extra features is stupid to get worked up over, since not only is a 7 hour series documentary being released soon. But also, more than enough material was included on the deluxe editions. That it's redundant to try to include new exclusive features, when their is not much left to uncover about the series, besides if the uncut or any other deleted scenes finally surfaced.


Also the difference between the 'cut' and 'uncut' version of Jason X is so miniscule, that it's easy to not get upset over that not being released, since it's never been issued uncut anywhere as far as I know. But not including JGTH uncut when it was released worldwide(and in many cases was the theatrical version for every country except the U.S.) is also a huge mistake. Since countries where it was always available uncensored in it's gory glory, now are suffering a heavily neutered U.S. R rated version of the film as the sole version available on blu-ray at the moment. That's really something to be upset over.

The difference between the cut and uncut part 1 is also pretty minor. So if only the R version of that were issued, I wouldn't be to upset. However, it's only one death scene that is far more effective in the R than unrated version that makes me prefer the R version. The other scenes work just as well in either version, though are slightly more effective uncut.

Meanwhile parts 2-8 can't be restored since the footage is either missing or unusable. So I wouldn't boycott a release over the lack of the 'uncut' versions which sadly have never been released anywhere.

But since JGTH is an all out gorefest where the cuts are obvious and it's easy to see the night and day difference between the 'clean' R cut and the 'messy blood soaked' unrated cut and the uncut version was widely available. It's a huge disservice to not make that version available in the best quality possible!


Here is an example of what's missing from the R rated version. And note, the true R rated version is missing the more graphic versions of the 'melting man' scene and the 'arm breaking' scene, while they're 'uncut' in either version on the DVD due to a branching error most likely. I also think the pre-credit sequence cut down Jason's ambush slightly, though it's been years since I saw the R version on vhs.

NSFW, nudity and gore warning!

http://www.movie-censorship.com/report.php?ID=1068

VHS?

The 720p iTunes unrated JGTH is very nice. The 1080p version not so nice. That's with most 1080p iTunes movies though where as 1080p TV shows mostly do well.
Not including the unrated version was cheap and stupid. They have it and there was no excuse not to add it. The DVD had both cuts so why not the BD ?

As for the others being uncut. I, like many fans, know the situation. What I'm bitching about is the lack of work done on the movies. How about go and do a little work (please no DNR and EE!) to make them look better than the previous release. Instead you release the same damn disc others already own.

As for the statement about extras. I wasn't bitching about more, just that they acted as if the ones on this set were new when we already have them. Again, adding the same shit in a different box design. Like I said. Most the shit that's new is junk I could care less about.

This would have been a good set had they spent more time on it but at this point I am more excited about the Crystal Lake Memories Doc.

Oh and another thing that's lame about this ... why in hell are they still doing Two movies per disc for 6 of the movies !!!

asianxcore

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My Other Self

I don't have the time right now to address everything you've pointed out, but as for JGTH, I guess it's personal preferance. I'm not claiming it to be a better film, but it's my preferred version. That's it.

In regards to WB owning JGTH, JX, and FVJ, they own the distribution rights to them right now since they did own the character but once they traded it back to Paramount for the opportunity to help distribute [iInterstellar that all went out the window. Once WB's agreement to distribute Paramount's back catalog expires in another 2 years, the Jason films go with it don't they?

So again, not their property to worry about. And those arguing that WB put it out because fans will buy it anyway, why prove them right? Don't buy it. But don't expect anything else in this day and age when the catalog market is as dead as it is.

OldBoy

can't wait!

Adam Tyner

The articles I've read just mentioned that the trade was for sequel rights. I don't think Warner gave up the New Line productions as part of that. Also, the F13/South Park deal is just for 5 years, although maybe they have options after that or something.

As far as I know, the Paramount productions do, yes, although I haven't seen anything to indicate that Jason Goes to Hell and on will move under the Paramount banner.

Guru Askew

Lots of apologist bullshit going around with this set. Not just here, though that post above is as bad as I've seen.

First things first: the fact that Warner is licensing these things is no excuse for them half-assing them. Would you accept discs on burned discs with the title written with Sharpie and wrapped in brown bags? No. WHV is assuming the burden of home video distribution and manufacture and they are profiting in return. So they should be expected to release a satisfactory product regardless.

Secondly, it doesn't really matter how long this arrangement lasts. It should be blatantly obvious that the reported two-year term is something that will be perpetually renewed as long as the arrangement is mutually beneficial. But even if it actually ended after 730 days (which is a fucking hilarious notion) it doesn't magically erase the existence of a piss-poor product from existence.

Adam Tyner

Mine? I don't see how what I wrote is anything even close to what you're suggesting. The only thing I've cut Warner any slack on is the lack of a proper 3D BD of III; as far as I know, they're relying on Paramount-supplied masters across the board, and if Paramount doesn't have a "real" 3D version of III ready to go, I understand. I'm not happy about it, and I'd pay a considerable premium for a real BD-3D release, but I understand.

The lack of an unrated JGtH is, to my mind, indefensible. I might get the set if I can find it at a steep discount, but I'm certainly not buying this set on day one as I originally planned to. I personally feel that calling the set as a whole "piss poor" is an exaggeration, but it's not the set I want it to be.

I don't think My Other Self is saying it's a 2 year deal; he's pointing out that there are around 2 years left of the 3 year deal. (The length of the deal is in the original press releases, so it's pretty well-documented.) ...although, yeah, I wouldn't be even a little bit surprised if it were extended.

Bluelitespecial

Does anyone know if Best Buy will have this in stores and at what price?

DJariya

Yes, I saw the ad. It's $99.99