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Spottedfeather 03-26-13 09:49 PM

Dealbreaking Points
 
Do you ever go to buy a movie or tv show but end up not getting it for some reason ? Like it's a newer edition but it doesn't have the massive features that the set you already own has ?

Not having the features is a big breaking point for me. For instance, the recent Star Trek movie blu-ray set. Yes, it has all the movies. But it doesn't have the director's cuts of the movie nor the great features that the complete dvd set from a few years ago has.

Another dealbreaker for me is the original audio. If a movie doesn't come with the original theatrical audio, I have to think really hard about picking it up. That's why I refuse to get the first Terminator on blu-ray. I listen, whenever possible, movies with their original audio. I love the Disney movies for this.

Alan Smithee 03-26-13 09:55 PM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 
For me it's ANY alteration to the theatrical version, whether it be an updated sound mix (or in the case of some budget discs, a movie that was released with a 5.1 track but ISN'T included on the disc!), aspect ratio change (EVEN if it's been requested by the director) or any scenes cut OR added (many will disagree with me on that, although I like having an unrated cut included along WITH the theatrical version). I won't knowingly buy a movie if the opening studio logo has been updated either, especially if I already have it on another format.

OldBoy 03-27-13 12:51 AM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 
nope. i'm a whore!

BuckNaked2k 03-27-13 07:50 AM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 

Originally Posted by Alan Smithee (Post 11630115)
For me it's ANY alteration to the theatrical version, whether it be an updated sound mix (or in the case of some budget discs, a movie that was released with a 5.1 track but ISN'T included on the disc!), aspect ratio change (EVEN if it's been requested by the director) or any scenes cut OR added (many will disagree with me on that, although I like having an unrated cut included along WITH the theatrical version). I won't knowingly buy a movie if the opening studio logo has been updated either, especially if I already have it on another format.

That's the dealbreaker for me. The other points you listed are annoyances...BIG annoyances, by I usually acquiesce.

rocket1312 03-27-13 09:50 AM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 
Back in the dvd days, I would often hold out waiting for a special edition with more extras because there was "always" a better edition coming. With Blu-ray, I'm not so hung up on extras. Partly because most likey there will not be a new edition coming, but I also just don't get as excited by them anymore. The only ones that I consistently take time to watch/re-watch are commentaries (I mostly prefer the academic/historical type on Criterions/older films rather than cast/crew love-ins recorded before the movies are even released) . I enjoy quality documentaries (none of that EPK crap) as well, but often those go unwatched or they're only watched once.

To me the big thing is quality a/v that is true to the source material. Depending on the title, I don't necessarily need the original theatrical version (Zodiac for instance), but like the OP I can't bring myself to buy the new Terminator disc because of the lack of original sound and the altered color timing. Others include T2 (over dnr'd transfer), Predator (ditto x100), The French Connection (before the re-release). I also can't bring myself to buy the Studio Canal The Third Man even though it's an ok release (mild DNR) because I know the superior Criterion is out there, even if it costs ~$150 and I'll likely never buy it.

asianxcore 03-27-13 01:55 PM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 

Originally Posted by Alan Smithee (Post 11630115)
For me it's ANY alteration to the theatrical version, whether it be an updated sound mix (or in the case of some budget discs, a movie that was released with a 5.1 track but ISN'T included on the disc!), aspect ratio change (EVEN if it's been requested by the director) or any scenes cut OR added (many will disagree with me on that, although I like having an unrated cut included along WITH the theatrical version).

This pretty much sums it up for me as well.

This is the reason why I (originally) ordered the UK BDs of Pan's Labyrinth & Let The Right One In.

The first film didn't have DNR applied to it (like the U.S. release) and the second film had it's original Theatrical Subtitles.

Shannon Nutt 03-27-13 02:24 PM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 

Originally Posted by Spottedfeather (Post 11630108)
Not having the features is a big breaking point for me. For instance, the recent Star Trek movie blu-ray set. Yes, it has all the movies. But it doesn't have the director's cuts of the movie nor the great features that the complete dvd set from a few years ago has.

I thought the Trek films did retain most of the original DVD bonus materials (in addition to some new HD bonuses)? As for getting a director's cut on Blu-ray, that has more to do with the fact that the DVD Director's Cut wasn't mastered in HD than anything else...happens all the time.

Josh Z 03-27-13 02:43 PM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 

Originally Posted by Shannon Nutt (Post 11630990)
I thought the Trek films did retain most of the original DVD bonus materials (in addition to some new HD bonuses)?

The majority of DVD features were carried over, but a few didn't make the transition.

TMP is missing an audio commentary by Robert Wise and some members of the crew that was recorded for the Director's Cut (and won't sync to the theatrical cut), and a couple of featurettes.

All of the movies are missing the text trivia tracks from the DVDs, but most of the trivia information was incorporated into the "Library Computer" interface instead.

whotony 03-29-13 08:31 PM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 
TMP long cut is not on the bluray, right?

fitprod 03-29-13 11:11 PM

Re: Dealbreaking Points
 

Originally Posted by whotony (Post 11634097)
TMP long cut is not on the bluray, right?

No, the extended version was only finished in SD, and will need a complete restoration, like they are doing with Star Trek: TNG. (and "maybe" DS9 & Voyager.)

fitprod


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