The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
12-03-18, 08:17 PM
#1426
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
They probably use the same intro file for all discs. It'd be interesting to check if a recent non-Atmos 2D disc uses the intro, like Crazy Rich Asians.
Or is the intro in 3D? Maybe it was made for a disc like Batman v Superman, which had Atmos, and they haven't bothered changing it since.
Or is the intro in 3D? Maybe it was made for a disc like Batman v Superman, which had Atmos, and they haven't bothered changing it since.
12-04-18, 10:03 AM
#1428
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
BTW, this appears to be untrue. The Legend of Tarzan, Pan, Batman v Superman, and San Andreas have Atmos on the 3D discs.
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-L...lu-ray/159229/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Pan-3D-Blu-ray/142383/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Batma...lu-ray/130491/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/San-A...Blu-ray/132857
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/The-L...lu-ray/159229/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Pan-3D-Blu-ray/142383/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Batma...lu-ray/130491/
https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/San-A...Blu-ray/132857
12-04-18, 11:03 AM
#1429
Banned by request
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
WB can never get their shit right. They should have made the Diamond Luxe editions all 3D with Atmos sound. But they never have any consistency to what they release. Gravity 3D with Atmos would have been awesome.
12-04-18, 11:56 AM
#1430
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
It's likely a frustrating move for those that want both Atmos & 3D, but it's likely part of the reason why we're still getting 3D discs from WB at all.
12-04-18, 01:00 PM
#1431
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
In addition to the English, French, Spanish, and Portuguese tracks also on the 2D disc, the 3D disc also has:
Czech
Hindi
Hungarian
Polish
Russian
Tamil
Telugu
Turkish
Japanese (hidden unless BD Player default language set to Japanese)
9 extra tracks at 448kbps each is 3987kbps.
Czech
Hindi
Hungarian
Polish
Russian
Tamil
Telugu
Turkish
Japanese (hidden unless BD Player default language set to Japanese)
9 extra tracks at 448kbps each is 3987kbps.
12-04-18, 01:32 PM
#1432
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post15754682
I'll quote it here for your convenience:
Spoiler:
I guess I did make an assumption, since I assumed people looking to verify my statements would look at the links I provided as reference.
12-04-18, 02:41 PM
#1433
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
I'm not assuming anything. The info on the tracks was at the link I provided:
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post15754682
I'll quote it here for your convenience:
I guess I did make an assumption, since I assumed people looking to verify my statements would look at the links I provided as reference.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...2#post15754682
I'll quote it here for your convenience:
I guess I did make an assumption, since I assumed people looking to verify my statements would look at the links I provided as reference.
12-04-18, 03:07 PM
#1434
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
I don't frequent that site's forums that much myself, but they're a good source of info. However, I found that info via googling a phrase like:
Code:
the meg 3d "bdinfo"
12-04-18, 06:38 PM
#1435
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Just remembered that audio description track that's on these discs too, seems like they could leave that off as well if they needed more space for Atmos. Geostorm actually has both an American AND British English description track! (And I'll eventually listen to both of them!)
12-04-18, 09:12 PM
#1436
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Just remembered that audio description track that's on these discs too, seems like they could leave that off as well if they needed more space for Atmos. Geostorm actually has both an American AND British English description track! (And I'll eventually listen to both of them!)
Pointing out that the English DD track on The Meg is a descriptive track actually does help further explain why there's a DTS-HD MA track, even on the 2D disc with Atmos. From what I remember, DTS-HD MA contains a standard DTS lossy "core," which legacy receivers can read. However, Dolby TrueHD doesn't have this lossy core, and thus requires a completely separate track for legacy support. So since Atmos is built on top of TrueHD, even on the 2D disc, the DTS-HD MA track serves for legacy support. Now, they could've gone with a 448kbps DD 5.1 track instead of the 2207kbps DTS-HD MA track, but that would've saved only 1759kbps of bandwidth, not enough to fit the Atmos track onto the disc.
As for GeoStorm, there's no Atmos track on any home video release, not even the 2D release, so it's possible no home Atmos mix was even made for the film. However, from what I can find, even if it did exist, it wouldn't have fit on the 3D disc, even after removing descriptive audio.
Spoiler:
12-04-18, 09:31 PM
#1437
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
So maybe you shouldn't assume things if you're not willing to click on links, or verify on your own.
I don't frequent that site's forums that much myself, but they're a good source of info. However, I found that info via googling a phrase like:
Searching specifically for "bdinfo" on a disc often pulls up a report for that disc.
I don't frequent that site's forums that much myself, but they're a good source of info. However, I found that info via googling a phrase like:
Code:
the meg 3d "bdinfo"
Also hope everyone else got their $7.xx copy of Goosebumps the other day, mine came with a minty slip!
12-05-18, 06:49 AM
#1438
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
If nothing comes up searching for "bdinfo," you can try the specific phrases "bitrate" and "playlist report" instead, since those phrases appear in every bdinfo log. For example
Code:
the meg 3d "bitrate" "playlist report"
12-05-18, 09:18 AM
#1439
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
From what I remember, DTS-HD MA contains a standard DTS lossy "core," which legacy receivers can read. However, Dolby TrueHD doesn't have this lossy core, and thus requires a completely separate track for legacy support. So since Atmos is built on top of TrueHD, even on the 2D disc, the DTS-HD MA track serves for legacy support.
The combination of TrueHD and DD together still takes up less disc space than a single DTS-HD MA track. There is zero need to have both lossless formats on the same disc, unless there's some difference in content between the two (such as one being a dub).
12-05-18, 11:50 AM
#1440
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=132832
https://forum.videohelp.com/threads/...rueHD-AC3-Core
Looking at the BDinfo for The Meg 2D, I do see that for the TrueHD track it does mentioned "AC3 embedded". So the DTS-HD MA track isn't on the Meg 2D Blu-ray for solely legacy support.
http://forum.doom9.org/showthread.ph...55#post1687255
The issue of THD vs DTSHD, i've noticed, is particularly when multiplexing m2ts for Blu-Ray. THD+AC3 results in a bigger file than DTSHD-MA, so for Blu-Ray, if you want to save/minimalise the final size, DTSHD-MA is a way more efficiant than THD+AC3 !
. TrueHD does need a ridiculous amount of overhead. In general, I just double the raw TrueHD's file size to estimate the size it will be on the disc.
DTS-HD MA tracks do take up less disk space. I'd rather not say how I know this... probably open a whole new can of worms, but DTS-HD MA uses approx 7-8% m2ts overhead, as opposed to approx 30% for TrueHD.
What this means is, once the raw stream is muxed into m2ts (or BD structure) identiical tracks in size will no longer be the same size... The DTS-HD MA track will have increased approx 8%, whereas the TrueHD track will have grown approx 30%.
Think of it this way, if a raw TrueHD stream is approx 3GB is size, once into m2ts it will have grown 1 more GB in size, to 4GB total.
What this means is, once the raw stream is muxed into m2ts (or BD structure) identiical tracks in size will no longer be the same size... The DTS-HD MA track will have increased approx 8%, whereas the TrueHD track will have grown approx 30%.
Think of it this way, if a raw TrueHD stream is approx 3GB is size, once into m2ts it will have grown 1 more GB in size, to 4GB total.
In terms of getting "a lossless track", they don't both have to be on the same disc. However, there's potential other uses. For one, if a consumer can't use either TrueHD or DTS-HD MA, at least the DTS-HD MA has a 1500kbp DTS core, as opposed to the 448kbps DD track embedded in the TrueHD track. Also, on The Meg they have different number of channels, TrueHD is 7.1, while the DTS-HD MA is 5.1, so for those with 5.1 setups a native 5.1 mix may be better than a 7.1 track downmixed to 5.1.
Last edited by Jay G.; 12-05-18 at 11:56 AM.
12-05-18, 12:30 PM
#1441
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Also, on The Meg they have different number of channels, TrueHD is 7.1, while the DTS-HD MA is 5.1, so for those with 5.1 setups a native 5.1 mix may be better than a 7.1 track downmixed to 5.1.
12-05-18, 09:21 PM
#1442
DVD Talk Legend
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Still, you're right that it seems unlikely WB was that concerned about audio quality. It could be that they stuck it on the 2D Blu-ray simply because there was space, as they had already mastered the track for the 3D Blu-ray, leaving TrueHD/Atmos of the 3D disc due to size/bandwidth concerns.
12-18-18, 02:12 PM
#1443
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
It's probably worth mentioning that Smallfoot 3D is back in stock for shipping at Best Buy. It's been sold out since right after its release. It's not even listed at Amazon, Target or Walmart. It's a little pricey at $30 but it's better than $35 + shipping at WB's site.
I ended up returning Skyscraper 3D and The Meg 3D, but did spring for Smallfoot 3D. The other two got pretty middling 3D reviews (and it probably didn't help that I thought the movies were average at best when we rented them from the library, so we probably wouldn't revisit them much either). Whereas the entire family enjoyed Smallfoot when we rented it over the weekend, and I'm sure the animation will probably hold up a little better in 3D too.
I ended up returning Skyscraper 3D and The Meg 3D, but did spring for Smallfoot 3D. The other two got pretty middling 3D reviews (and it probably didn't help that I thought the movies were average at best when we rented them from the library, so we probably wouldn't revisit them much either). Whereas the entire family enjoyed Smallfoot when we rented it over the weekend, and I'm sure the animation will probably hold up a little better in 3D too.
Last edited by mattysemo247; 12-18-18 at 02:18 PM.
12-18-18, 05:27 PM
#1444
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Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Didn’t finish yet, but I thought Meg in 3D was pretty good thus far. Have, but haven’t started Skyscraper...
12-26-18, 09:15 AM
#1445
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Skyscraper 3D $23.46 before 5% coupon on Amazon right now. Lowest price since release.
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07F5BTH54/
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B07F5BTH54/
12-26-18, 09:40 AM
#1446
Senior Member
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Just ordered the CREATURE FROM THE BLACK LAGOON LEGACY COLL. with the new disc of REVENGE from Family Video for $26 and free shipping...not too bad.
12-27-18, 12:30 AM
#1447
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Still hoping for a release with just the two sequels since I have the first already, but will likely cave and get that eventually.
12-27-18, 05:06 AM
#1448
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
I'm still waiting (hoping) that Universal reissues the set to retailers with corrected disc.
12-27-18, 08:23 AM
#1449
Senior Member
Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Three places are selling the corrected version: Best Buy, Family Video and Deep Discount. Everyone that have said they've ordered from those places, REVENGE plays correctly.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/mons...397-s1060.html
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/mons...397-s1060.html
12-27-18, 09:42 AM
#1450
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Re: The Official "3D" Blu ray Thread. Now with Smell-O-Vision.
Three places are selling the corrected version: Best Buy, Family Video and Deep Discount. Everyone that have said they've ordered from those places, REVENGE plays correctly.
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/mons...397-s1060.html
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/mons...397-s1060.html
Deep Discount just happens to have a 15% coupon right now I'll use.