DVD Talk Forum

DVD Talk Forum (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/)
-   HD Talk (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk-55/)
-   -   Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray? (https://forum.dvdtalk.com/hd-talk/587715-friends-season-1-coming-blu-ray.html)

Howiefan 02-18-11 06:22 PM

Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
I saw recently that the first season of Friends has been airing in HD on TNT and the show looks REALLY good. It seems like the episodes have been remastered in widescreen with no zoom or black bars on the sides. Will the show be released on Blu-ray in the near future?

JimRochester 02-18-11 07:12 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
I have the entire series on DVD. It was one of my wifes favorite shows. I would consider upgrading if it mattered but I always catch her watching it on cable with all the commercials and leaving the sets I bought her collecting dust.

Howiefan 02-18-11 08:16 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by JimRochester (Post 10645201)
I have the entire series on DVD. It was one of my wifes favorite shows. I would consider upgrading if it mattered but I always catch her watching it on cable with all the commercials and leaving the sets I bought her collecting dust.

I haven't watched my DVDs in a long time. I remember they didn't look too good on my plasma TV though. Here's some screen caps of the new HD versions:

http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/5...1821h14m14.png
http://img690.imageshack.us/img690/6...1821h14m30.png

lamphorn 02-18-11 08:41 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
Hm. That would be tempting, but I wouldn't just want Season 1... I'd want at least seasons 1-6, which would get expensive. I do have several of the DVD sets and they don't look good at all on an HDTV. I'll look for these on TNT.

danyanez 02-18-11 10:16 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
Got this from blu-ray.com...
http://littleimg.com/files/44760_qg2tb/dvd1.png
http://littleimg.com/files/44759_dqrvr/hdtv1.png

http://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=5846

mzupeman2 02-20-11 08:22 AM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
Well, it looks like the new airings are opened up and not cropped. Wonderful!

LorenzoL 02-20-11 10:20 AM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
It is an improvement but I don't think that I want to pay an increase in price for it

bluetoast 02-20-11 10:31 AM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by mzupeman2 (Post 10647083)
Well, it looks like the new airings are opened up and not cropped. Wonderful!

But it's stilll probably not what they framed the shots for.

calhoun07 02-20-11 05:43 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
Not a Friends fan...but I clicked on the thread to see how possible this was. Because I really want Seinfeld on Blu-Ray. I can't bring myself to watch the DVDs anymore after seeing the high def versions on TV now.

I just hope they realize there is a market for this. Perhaps more limited than the original DVD releases, but a market just the same.

MTRodaba2468 02-21-11 12:14 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
I don't like Friends at all, but I do hope the show sells well on Blu, if only for the potential of opening a door for more catalog TV on Blu-Ray.

For similar reasons, I hope they keep it in it's original 4x3 aspect ratio, rather than reframe it or crop it (which, unfortunately, will probably not happen).

GenPion 02-21-11 03:04 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by bluetoast (Post 10647171)
But it's stilll probably not what they framed the shots for.

If it's not released on Blu-ray in it's OAR that would be a huge mistake. I sincerely hope they don't go this route.

BSTNFAN 02-21-11 03:57 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by GenPion (Post 10648634)
If it's not released on Blu-ray in it's OAR that would be a huge mistake. I sincerely hope they don't go this route.

The purist in me agrees 100%. My concern is that I think an opened up 16x9 might actually look better to TNT (or whoever) for HD syndication and sell better on BD, which at least would make future seasons and other catalog titles more likely. I definitely don't want a cropped widescreen (is that what Seinfeld did or is it opened up?).

calhoun07 02-21-11 04:40 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by MTRodaba2468 (Post 10648398)
I don't like Friends at all, but I do hope the show sells well on Blu, if only for the potential of opening a door for more catalog TV on Blu-Ray.

For similar reasons, I hope they keep it in it's original 4x3 aspect ratio, rather than reframe it or crop it (which, unfortunately, will probably not happen).

But if releasing it in HD and in widescreen adds more to the image why would it be an issue?

calhoun07 02-21-11 04:42 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by BSTNFAN (Post 10648730)
The purist in me agrees 100%. My concern is that I think an opened up 16x9 might actually look better to TNT (or whoever) for HD syndication and sell better on BD, which at least would make future seasons and other catalog titles more likely. I definitely don't want a cropped widescreen (is that what Seinfeld did or is it opened up?).

Seinfeld is definitely opened up. Nothing's cropped, nothing's missing from the original 4:3 versions. And I read the show was actually shot on film, so it is ideal for an HD Blu-Ray transfer.

I suspect from the screen caps above that Friends is similar.

But this should ONLY be done with shows that can be opened up like that. Cropping should never be an alternative to force something into widescreen.

nando820 02-21-11 04:46 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
I love how Seinfeld looks broadcast in HD. Kinda glad I never got to buy the DVDs.
I like the idea of being available in Blu-Ray but then again I don't really need to buy it anytime soon since they play the episodes on TV all the time

GenPion 02-21-11 04:48 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by calhoun07 (Post 10648785)
But this should ONLY be done with shows that can be opened up like that. Cropping should never be an alternative to force something into widescreen.

Unless the series Director's actually wanted wide-screen framing this is just as bad and an important issue to discuss. The 4:3 framing may have been the intended ratio, and opening it up can interfere with what they intended for audiences to focus on in any given scene. That's altering their hard work.

lamphorn 02-21-11 06:11 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by GenPion (Post 10648797)
Unless the series Director's actually wanted wide-screen framing this is just as bad and an important issue to discuss. The 4:3 framing may have been the intended ratio, and opening it up can interfere with what they intended for audiences to focus on in any given scene. That's altering their hard work.

On a film, I agree 100%, but on an episodic TV series, especially a multi-cam sitcom... I kind of doubt the aspect ratio is really truly that important or labored over in the way that it is for a feature film. Network TV operates at such a breakneck pace, that I doubt those guys were busy composing Kubrick-perfect shots and were going more for just making sure the actors were visible. So, if the BD's feature transfers that open up to the original camera negative (as opposed to cropping the tops and bottoms), I'm perfectly okay and even delighted with this change so long as there aren't stressed-out PA's or camera gear in the shot.

Eddie W 02-21-11 07:16 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
So is this some Canadian version of TNT that's showing these? I can't find any upcoming showing of Friends on TNT. TBS shows two episodes daily but it's the same old blurry strech-o-vision they call "HD".

tronmaster 02-21-11 11:24 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
Darn it I bought the entire Friends dvd set couple months ago when it was on sale for $99. The HD looks pretty good. I might consider upgrading if the quality is really good and the price is rather reasonable.

b2net 02-22-11 07:16 AM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
Maybe they were shot in 16x9... but since at that time, many people were almost violently opposed to Widescreen on their 4x3 TVs, they broadcast it in 4x3 to appease the masses.. I remember when Star Trek Enterprise came out... in 16x9, there were all kinds of articles and disclaimers that the reason it was letterbox was it was filmed in prep for 16x9 HD... where today aspects are what aspects are...

bluetoast 02-22-11 07:59 AM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
The 16x9 television ratio was introduced as "the future standard" in around 1994 (Friends's first season). There was a cinematographers round table discussion where they were all scratching their heads, saying "WTF? Why this ratio?" in an American Cinematographer article from back then.

So I'm guessing Friends was shot in a regular 35 mm stock or something like that with a 1.85 ratio.


Originally Posted by calhoun07 (Post 10648784)
But if releasing it in HD and in widescreen adds more to the image why would it be an issue?

Because what was in the frame was what was intended to be seen, what wasn't was not necessarily framed for the shots. Now I'm not saying that it's as extreme a case as those open matte movies released in Full Screen (A Fish Called Wanda, Terminator 3). This is a sitcom with a multi-camera set-up on a soundstage, so it's not like you're going to be seeing accidental nudity or ruined jokes, boom mikes or unfinished effects. But it's still not the OAR. A similar thing happened with DBZ around 5 years ago.

As for a more recent example, The Shield was re-released by Sony in16x9. Prior to this, only one episode was framed with 16x9 in mind. This is a show intended and framed for 4x3, and makes full use of a cramped, documentary style of filming. Opening it up loses that effect.

critterdvd 02-22-11 01:25 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
I really love this show and have the entire series on DVD. But with that said I don't know if I could justify sending another small fortune on a series I already own especially for a sitcom that was actually intended to be seen in 4:3.

But with that said like others are saying I've very curious so see how this set would potientially sell to open up more catalog TV-on-DVD being released in blu-ray.

calhoun07 02-22-11 06:11 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by GenPion (Post 10648797)
Unless the series Director's actually wanted wide-screen framing this is just as bad and an important issue to discuss. The 4:3 framing may have been the intended ratio, and opening it up can interfere with what they intended for audiences to focus on in any given scene. That's altering their hard work.

Why so serious?

It seems nobody has complained about the integrity of the show in HD on TV so why do you think it would be an issue if it was released to Blu-Ray? And as has been pointed out, this is a TV show, not a movie. I am all for the OAR in movies as well, but I've seen several episodes of the show in HD and put in the DVDs I have to compare. I'd take it in widescreen HD any day of the week.

davidh777 02-22-11 06:12 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 
Count me as another who's very interested in seeing if there's a market for a hugely popular series that everyone bought on DVD years ago and is still watchable in syndication. But the demographic is even less receptive to BD than Seinfeld's.

calhoun07 02-22-11 06:14 PM

Re: Friends Season 1 Coming to Blu-ray?
 

Originally Posted by bluetoast (Post 10649582)
Because what was in the frame was what was intended to be seen, what wasn't was not necessarily framed for the shots. Now I'm not saying that it's as extreme a case as those open matte movies released in Full Screen (A Fish Called Wanda, Terminator 3). This is a sitcom with a multi-camera set-up on a soundstage, so it's not like you're going to be seeing accidental nudity or ruined jokes, boom mikes or unfinished effects. But it's still not the OAR. A similar thing happened with DBZ around 5 years ago.

As for a more recent example, The Shield was re-released by Sony in16x9. Prior to this, only one episode was framed with 16x9 in mind. This is a show intended and framed for 4x3, and makes full use of a cramped, documentary style of filming. Opening it up loses that effect.

Then don't watch it on TV and don't buy it if (when) it comes out on Blu-Ray.


All times are GMT -5. The time now is 09:20 PM.


Copyright © 2026 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.