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Old 09-27-23, 06:06 PM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

That's the second sub-20m mark now (ignoring the obviously incorrect 9.3m figure from a couple weeks ago).
A year from now this will probably happen the majority of weeks.
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Old 09-27-23, 06:08 PM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

There are reports select Target locations have already removed their physical media sections completely - including all music and movies. So these numbers will only go down faster over the next few months.
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
There are reports select Target locations have already removed their physical media sections completely - including all music and movies.
Including vinyl?
Old 09-29-23, 12:48 PM
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They’re keeping vinyl for some reason though I’ve never seen anyone buy it. I’m probably just going to stop going there. Used to be I’d always find something while picking up cat food and stuff but not anymore.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
They’re keeping vinyl for some reason though I’ve never seen anyone buy it.
The question is whether Target is actually making any significant profit selling vinyl.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by morriscroy
The question is whether Target is actually making any significant profit selling vinyl.
They either are, or someone is subsidizing its shelf space.

If Target was making money selling DVDs and blu-rays, they would still be selling them. The bottom line is that they believe the space they're currently taking up would make money if something else was there.
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I checked out my local Target yesterday, and it still had the normal shelf space for movies and vinyl, and even some CDs.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Media Play News posted an article about the changes at Target. Some excerpts:

Most of the remaining space once devoted to catalog DVDs has been turned over to books and manga comics, with additional rows of vinyl albums — an ironic resurgence for an analog format once pushed to extinction by the arrival of CDs and digital music, but given new life in recent years by a burgeoning collector’s market.

DVDs and Blu-rays were relegated to a couple [of] shelf segments near the back of the store, one for new releases and the other a cardboard display of leftover catalog titles.
Interestingly, the new-release display had shelf tags for Transformers: Rise of the Beasts, which won’t be released on DVD and Blu-ray until Oct. 10. Those slots were accordingly empty which, as one industry observer pointed out, just goes to show the degree to which Target is ready to wash its hands of optical disc if its willing to let shelf space sit empty for a few weeks in order to cut down on the time it takes to reorganize the display each Tuesday.
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At this point the retailers and studios are doing more to hurt the market than just general disinterest from consumers. I made tons of impulse buys at Target when they actually had movies, and their being there was a big reason why I chose Target for my routine shopping. Now I’m just going to go to whatever regular supermarket is closer.

The studios are conditioning people to stop caring about discs also, whether they already have or not. Indiana Jones has been on digital for a few weeks now but not even a date given for when it will be on disc. I‘ll still buy it when it comes out but there won’t be nearly as much excitement over it as there used to be.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
The studios are conditioning people to stop caring about discs also, whether they already have or not. Indiana Jones has been on digital for a few weeks now but not even a date given for when it will be on disc. I‘ll still buy it when it comes out but there won’t be nearly as much excitement over it as there used to be.
Great conspiracy theory !!!

This would be a great plot for the next Indiana Jones movie, where the mastermind behind the destruction of the disc is adolf.

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Old 10-01-23, 05:25 PM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
The studios are conditioning people to stop caring about discs also, whether they already have or not. Indiana Jones has been on digital for a few weeks now but not even a date given for when it will be on disc. I‘ll still buy it when it comes out but there won’t be nearly as much excitement over it as there used to be.
They can condition all they want, the consumers have the final say - and they say they don't want physical media.

This isn't a new thing... physical sales have declined for a long time. And it doesn't matter what Target does - in the age of online shopping, everyone still has an easy time buying discs online and most choose not to.

The options are there for the consumers, they've just decided it's not worth it. You really need to stop this conspiracy that everyone would have the same purchasing behavior as you if it weren't for the big bad studios and retailers. Consumers are deciding with their wallets... it's as simple as that. As I've said before - most people in this forum have cut WAY back on media purchases. If members of a forum dedicated to physical media are shifting away from it - you can bet the average consumer are doing so even more.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

I think there's some truth in that consumers are being conditioned to move away from discs.

People were already switching over the streaming for about the past decade.

But we've also seen the release windows get all screwed up. Part of it was probably due to the COVID-19 pandemic, but up until then there was a fairly rigid release schedule from the studios. Theatrical release. Four to six months later, VHS/DVD/Blu-ray release. Six months after that, HBO/Showtime/Starz.

But now they've thrown streaming and digital purchases into the mix, and it's gotten really confusing for the consumer.

And it was already a confusing system for a lot of people even when the release schedules followed a pattern. Hell, Asylum created an entire studio around the idea that people would walk into Blockbuster and want to rent movies that just came out in the theaters.

I can't really keep up with everything; I had no idea that Dial of Destiny hasn't even been announced for disc yet. Though I don't think it's unusual for them to not announce new releases very far in advance these days. They just seem to show up in stores with little fanfare.
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
I think there's some truth in that consumers are being conditioned to move away from discs.

People were already switching over the streaming for about the past decade.

But we've also seen the release windows get all screwed up. Part of it was probably due to the COVID-19 pandemic, but up until then there was a fairly rigid release schedule from the studios. Theatrical release. Four to six months later, VHS/DVD/Blu-ray release. Six months after that, HBO/Showtime/Starz.

But now they've thrown streaming and digital purchases into the mix, and it's gotten really confusing for the consumer.

And it was already a confusing system for a lot of people even when the release schedules followed a pattern. Hell, Asylum created an entire studio around the idea that people would walk into Blockbuster and want to rent movies that just came out in the theaters.

I can't really keep up with everything; I had no idea that Dial of Destiny hasn't even been announced for disc yet. Though I don't think it's unusual for them to not announce new releases very far in advance these days. They just seem to show up in stores with little fanfare.
Heh.

The consumer marketplace equivalent of flooding the media entirely with shit.


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Originally Posted by Coral
They can condition all they want, the consumers have the final say - and they say they don't want physical media.
Does Alan believe that this can be reversed ?

(ie. Besides imposing an automatic death penalty on anybody using streaming and other online video avenues).
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At this point it would take something BIG to reverse it, like huge instore displays and signage promoting physical media being the best. If the masses have already left for digital then Target is out of luck, they already killed their own Target Ticket service (which was crap, no 5.1 sound) a few years ago.

Target’s been around here for more than 35 years and they’ve never had a sadder movie selection on any format until now. I used to scoff at their aisles of VHS tapes with no laserdiscs, but that was at least something.

I guess this means no more video loops in the stores either showing trailers and music videos. I have 3 of these complete tapes on archive.org but here’s just a piece of one:
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by Coral
They can condition all they want, the consumers have the final say - and they say they don't want physical media.
Consumers are deciding with their wallets... it's as simple as that. As I've said before - most people in this forum have cut WAY back on media purchases.
I agree with you consumers deciding with their wallets but that doesn't necessarily translate to rational consumer behavior. The uptick in prices of VHS tapes and Laserdiscs (both physical media) is an amazing display of irrational influencer-driven consumption. Niche? Of course, but upwards of $10,000 for a sealed VHS copy of Back to the Future? Even titles in the $50-$100 range is eye-opening.

I guess the saying goes; never underestimate the taste or rational mindset of the consumer!
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
At this point it would take something BIG to reverse it, like huge instore displays and signage promoting physical media being the best. If the masses have already left for digital then Target is out of luck, they already killed their own Target Ticket service (which was crap, no 5.1 sound) a few years ago.

Target’s been around here for more than 35 years and they’ve never had a sadder movie selection on any format until now. I used to scoff at their aisles of VHS tapes with no laserdiscs, but that was at least something.

I guess this means no more video loops in the stores either showing trailers and music videos. I have 3 of these complete tapes on archive.org but here’s just a piece of one:
https://youtu.be/5fgf0omTCVY?si=772PbaSqOpAEvYBA
That brought back some memories. For me, it was a time when DVD players and flat panel TVs were aspirational items. "Someday", said I......"Someday".
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I saw this on FandomPost, who I think got it from Media Play. Top BD sellers for the week of September 23rd. Gives you an idea of what's still selling on the format and what's not.

https://www.fandompost.com/2023/09/3...ber-23rd-2023/

Rank Previous Week Title Studio Index*
1 New The Little Mermaid (2023) Disney 100
2 1 Spider-Man: Across the Spider-Verse Sony Pictures 99.79
3 ** The Exorcist Warner 46.60
4 5 John Wick: Chapter 4 Lionsgate 31.50
5 4 Fast X Universal 31.16
6 3 The Flash Warner 27.46
7 6 Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 3 Disney/Marvel 21.84
8 8 The Super Mario Bros. Movie Universal 21.38
9 New Past Lives Lionsgate 19.58
10 ** Berry Gordy’s The Last Dragon Sony Pictures 16.15
11 7 Spider-Verse 2-Movie Collection Sony Pictures 15.86
12 ** Fall Lionsgate 14.74
13 10 Star Trek: Picard — The Final Season Paramount/CBS 14.33
14 13 Avatar: The Way of Water 20th Century 12.39
15 11 No Hard Feelings Sony Pictures 9.83
16 2 Batman: Mask of the Phantasm Warner 9.29
17 New The Trial Criterion 9.23
18 9 Joy Ride (2023) Lionsgate 8.89
19 16 Sleepy Hollow Paramount 8.12
20 21 1923: A Yellowstone Origin Story — Season One Paramount 7.88
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
At this point it would take something BIG to reverse it, like huge instore displays and signage promoting physical media being the best. If the masses have already left for digital then Target is out of luck, they already killed their own Target Ticket service (which was crap, no 5.1 sound) a few years ago.

Target’s been around here for more than 35 years and they’ve never had a sadder movie selection on any format until now. I used to scoff at their aisles of VHS tapes with no laserdiscs, but that was at least something.

I guess this means no more video loops in the stores either showing trailers and music videos. I have 3 of these complete tapes on archive.org but here’s just a piece of one:
https://youtu.be/5fgf0omTCVY?si=772PbaSqOpAEvYBA
You're still thinking that things like signs in stores could change this trend?
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

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You're still thinking that things like signs in stores could change this trend?
I don't see near as many cardboard display stands with DVDs and Blu-rays up by the registers like I used to. There's gotta be a non-zero amount of people who were simply not online enough like we are to know a movie was coming out but if they saw it on display would grab a copy.
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Originally Posted by clckworang
You're still thinking that things like signs in stores could change this trend?
They should start posting up huge signs in target stores for porn movies, to move more people to buy dvds.



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Target, WalMart, Worst Buy, I don't think I've bought a movie in-store in years, with the exception of a small number of Exclusive SteelBooks.
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It was a hell of a quarter.

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