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Old 11-19-22, 07:38 PM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

What came out the week ending November 5 to account for the bump? Top Gun Maverick?
Old 11-20-22, 10:21 AM
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
What came out the week ending November 5 to account for the bump? Top Gun Maverick?
Yup. (source!)
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Top Gun being intentionally crippled by releasing on digital a month before discs.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Top Gun being intentionally crippled by releasing on digital a month before discs.
Do you believe this was done deliberately as an easy way to destroy the market for discs?
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Top Gun being intentionally crippled by releasing on digital a month before discs.
Dude, give it up. No one is out to get your precious discs. The general population is moving against owning physical products - not just movies. Early digital release has been a thing for years now.,
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Originally Posted by morriscroy
Do you believe this was done deliberately as an easy way to destroy the market for discs?
Absolutely. Why else would they do that? Theyíre banking on people wanting a movie as soon as possible, so if digital is their only choice thatís what theyíll get, and soon enough theyíll just buy all their movies that way. I get that some people prefer that anyways which is fine, but the industry is giving digital an unfair advantage by putting that out early. If digital really sold well enough on its own they wouldnít need to do that. Itís like when a few titles came out on DIVX before they were on regular DVD, they wanted to push people to that.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Absolutely. Why else would they do that?
Well, there's also borderline-zero lead time for digital, so they can just pick whatever date they want and make it happen, whereas discs require replication, distribution, giving retailers a window to place their orders, etc. I can't think of a reason that digital should be day-and-date with disc, with the possible exception of clarity in marketing.
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True, but digital release dates are still announced a few weeks in advance, and ads often say ďOwn it NOW on digital!Ē with small print saying discs available later. They certainly arenít implying that the discs are being prepared with great care and will be worth waiting for- theyíre implying more ďwhy would you bother waiting?Ē

Interestingly though most digital movies are only available to buy during that window, not for rent until the disc comes out though Top Gun was still available to rent earlier. So they also want to push people more towards buying which means spending more money upfront, a few years before it seemed like they wanted to push rentals more than sales. Redbox was blocked from renting some titles on disc for their first week or so also as to encourage sales.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Itís like when a few titles came out on DIVX before they were on regular DVD, they wanted to push people to that.
How'd that work out for DIVX? Bottom line is that people are going to buy the format that they want, and the writing is already on the wall for physical media.
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Still they tried. If the studios didnít want physical media to decline they wouldnít be giving digital such an advantage with early releases, but itís pretty clear that they do. Iíll be happy just to give my money to boutique labels in the future anyways, and thankfully I already stopped caring about getting things the moment theyíre released. I rarely get excited about new movies anymore anyways, most of them are just good enough to watch one time and forget.
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Incidentally itís kind of strange how Paramount is putting out a lot of catalog titles lately, when a couple years ago they werenít putting out many and a lot of older DVD titles had gone out of print. They lost my sale for Planes, Trains and Automobiles which they just released today on 4k. I heard the picture quality isnít good anyways, but I just have the regular DVD which looks really bad and has no extras, the extras on this new release seemed reason enough to buy it.

NO stores near me seem to have it though. I didnít go out and look, but I can usually check online if Target, Best Buy or Walmart have something in stock. Targetís website says ďNot available in storesĒ and itís not even listed for the other 2. Itís a Thanksgiving movie so if I order it now it wonít get here til afterwards, so I just wonít bother with it unless it turns up cheap sometime next year in stores or online. Certainly Tower would have it now if they were still around.

This is an old movie but is still fairly popular and from a major studio, so itís pathetic that I canít just go buy it on its release day. Might as well have been from Twilight Time. I guess I wouldíve preordered it if I really wanted it, and I guess I will have to do that for any forthcoming title I do want.
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In the case of DIVX, I have to wonder if Circuit City paid a premium fee (ie. bribe) to get some titles released on DIVX first, before the dvd version was released.
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Disney and Fox liked the idea of DIVX much more than regular DVD, as they could control access and make people pay for every viewing if they wanted (some movies but not all could be unlocked for about $20, but of course you still canít play those now as the computer that authorizes them is offline.) Warner and Sony were against DIVX and didnít release movies on it, but they did use exclusivity to sell the format if customers didnít like the idea of how it worked.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Disney and Fox liked the idea of DIVX much more than regular DVD, as they could control access and make people pay for every viewing if they wanted

The only way this statement might possibly make any sense (however fleeting), is if the accounting/finance + legal departments at Fox and/or Disney actually signed off on taking such bribes from Circuit City, and the C-level suites at these three companies did not veto it.

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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I can't think of a reason that digital should be day-and-date with disc, with the possible exception of clarity in marketing.
The way things are released these days... the shrinking window between theatrical release and home release, digital purchases, streaming, release on physical disc... it's really hard to keep track of things. In years past, I used to be much more in tune with these things. Now, not so much.

In the not-so-distant past a movie would be released theatrically, get a DVD/blu-ray release six months later, then show up on pay cable six months after that.
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Originally Posted by morriscroy
The only way this statement might possibly make any sense (however fleeting), is if the accounting/finance + legal departments at Fox and/or Disney actually signed off on taking such bribes from Circuit City, and the C-level suites at these three companies did not veto it.
It's not a bribe if it's just part of the business.

Like the retailer exclusive releases for steelbooks and such we have now.
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Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
The way things are released these days... the shrinking window between theatrical release and home release, digital purchases, streaming, release on physical disc... it's really hard to keep track of things. In years past, I used to be much more in tune with these things. Now, not so much.

In the not-so-distant past a movie would be released theatrically, get a DVD/blu-ray release six months later, then show up on pay cable six months after that.
I agree the whole industry has been diversified to a point where it's just a fog of information and I think a lot of people have simply tuned-out. Maybe I'm just old but I have no interest in having multiple subscriptions I have to juggle - quit these services for a couple of months, start that service, checking my credit card statement to double-check if they are still billing me. Do I want to waste time having to call some head office to straighten-out a mistaken charge?

Perhaps it's not that complicated but the pre-streaming era just seemed more simple. The video store had a "new release" calendar on their wall so you could see what was coming soon. Local newspapers and store flyers kept you posted. "Entertainment Tonight" had a "what's new" video segment, TV Guide had a page dedicated to the latest rentals as well as magazines like Premiere etc.
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Originally Posted by orangerunner
I agree the whole industry has been diversified to a point where it's just a fog of information and I think a lot of people have simply tuned-out.
I hate to admit this, but I'm sort of become one of those people who would walk into Blockbuster wanting to rent a movie before it even came out theatrically. I barely know when something is coming out at the theater, digital, streaming, or disc.

I'm pretty sure that the second Black Panther movie came out a week or two ago, and that the Avatar sequel is out this weekend or next month or something... I just can't keep track of stuff anymore.


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Seems it can only keep going down at this point. Retail support is at an all-time low right now, and we just had what was likely the worst Black Friday in history also. I canít even count on finding all mainstream titles in local stores anymore, leaving online the only way to shop which drastically cuts down impulse buys and such. Since Iím too cheap to pay for shipping I have to order enough to get that for free, so that may help marginal titles when ordering one I really want but otherwise I may just wait to order ones I donít care so much about.
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The only uptick in stocking new releases I'm seeing is, ironically, the used places. The Disc Replay chain around here has been stocking new titles for a few years now and they keep expanding those sections (along with things like vinyl and toys/merch).

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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
Seems it can only keep going down at this point. Retail support is at an all-time low right now, and we just had what was likely the worst Black Friday in history also. I canít even count on finding all mainstream titles in local stores anymore, leaving online the only way to shop which drastically cuts down impulse buys and such. Since Iím too cheap to pay for shipping I have to order enough to get that for free, so that may help marginal titles when ordering one I really want but otherwise I may just wait to order ones I donít care so much about.
You can usually order for free instore pickup with Best Buy and such if you want to avoid shipping.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
leaving online the only way to shop which drastically cuts down impulse buys and such.
Not for me. I've always made more impulse buys of physical media online because there's simply much more physical media online to choose from! And from a larger selection of retailers (once you factor in all the boutiques and their exclusive titles). And almost always with free shipping, because I save and/or make those impulse buys during various sales almost exclusively. Sure, I Impulse bought when stores had big sections, but I'd almost always go online, particularly on Amazon, to see what other films might be available from certain directors, actors, labels, etc. and then spend more money there on stuff that the stores rarely have in stock.

Now, if I peruse a physical media section at all -- which pretty much amounts to Walmart on either side of the border, or the last remaining hipster indie video store here in Toronto -- it pretty much to use it as a catalog to park stuff in various online carts for purchase later on.

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