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Old 02-26-18, 06:19 PM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by JoeyOhhhh
Entertainment options are becoming so disposable that cultivating a collection of films and shows is slowly dying out
Sad, but true. It reminds me of my nephew about 10-15 years ago who looked at me whimsically and quizzically whenever I bought new CDs. Seems like the same trend is catching up with movies on disc.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

And speaking of the digital prices being equivalent to physical, VUDU actually has a bunch of UHD releases for $9.99 right now.

https://slickdeals.net/f/11313391-vu...o-ma-itunes-fn
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by fumanstan
And speaking of the digital prices being equivalent to physical, VUDU actually has a bunch of UHD releases for $9.99 right now.

https://slickdeals.net/f/11313391-vu...o-ma-itunes-fn
I might pull the trigger on Blade Runner 2049 which I did not catch in theaters, as $9.99 for this film strikes me as a BF type digital deal for a movie of this caliber.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Looks like Target is starting to shrink physical media as well. I went to a Target which is re-doing/re-building the stores layout and physical media (DVD and BD - No CDs anywhere) is about one aisle (just one side) long with a really nice LED lit square box with new releases. I'd estimate media was cut in half if not more. This particular Target is really big so I don't think floor space is an issue.
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I heard that some Targets are doing the same with video games as well.
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A 20+ year run wasn't too bad. I'm sure this time next year the numbers will be even bleaker and B&M stores will either remove all, or most of their disc media and start following Walmart's plan that allows you to buy a card that has a code to download/stream the movie you want. I'm even seeing that Family Video has cards you can buy that has a code allowing you to stream (rent) a movie vs. getting a beat up disc, assuming it's even in stock.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Hollywood's plan to kill physical media sooner rather than later appears to be operating full steam ahead. I guess the introduction of Movies Anywhere, a digital movie system the big studios feel more comfortable with, is an inflection point in the market.

It's not a good sign for UHD that Blu-ray sales are already declining this much. Future UHD owners will almost come entirely from the pool of current Blu-ray owners. It's clear some Blu-ray owners are already converting to digital movies.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

12 Strong appears to not have a UHD release at this point. I wonder how long before a new movie release is digital only?
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by JimRochester
12 Strong appears to not have a UHD release at this point. I wonder how long before a new movie release is digital only?
good question - I know that for Sony's huge box office bomb, Roland Emmerich's "Stonewall" this just relegated it to DVD.
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Originally Posted by JimRochester
I wonder how long before a new movie release is digital only?
About the same time the broadcast network go online only and local channels become 24 hour news.

About the same time tvs are no longer made because everybody watches tv on their phone.
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Originally Posted by JimRochester
I wonder how long before a new movie release is digital only?
Originally Posted by rw2516
About the same time the broadcast network go online only and local channels become 24 hour news.

About the same time tvs are no longer made because everybody watches tv on their phone.
About the time this thread reaches 10,000 posts.
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
Declining space at retail for media seems to be having a pronounced effect on sales.
I definitely agree.

Though I think that having DVD, Blu-ray and 4K all on the shelf at the same time is making it that much worse. The more of the increasingly precious spots being taken up by Thor: Ragnarok or any other hot title, then the fewer spaces that are left for the B and C titles on those shelves.

We're stuck with all 3 formats because DVD sells the most and a lot of titles are not available on any other format. But neither are they getting rid of Blu-ray. Yet 4K continues to get pushed as well for those who want that.

Originally Posted by JoeyOhhhh
Entertainment options are becoming so disposable that cultivating a collection of films and shows is slowly dying out
A great point too.
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Originally Posted by Strapped4Cash
I definitely agree.

Though I think that having DVD, Blu-ray and 4K all on the shelf at the same time is making it that much worse. The more of the increasingly precious spots being taken up by Thor: Ragnarok or any other hot title, then the fewer spaces that are left for the B and C titles on those shelves.

We're stuck with all 3 formats because DVD sells the most and a lot of titles are not available on any other format. But neither are they getting rid of Blu-ray. Yet 4K continues to get pushed as well for those who want that.

Agreed. The introduction of 4K has definitely sped up the process of killing off physical media because of this reason.

Since 4K is such a niche format, studios should've never put out discs for them and kept them as streaming exclusives, leaving Blu-Ray as the last physical format.

I've seen those huge displays with cards for digital films at Walmart and laughed. $19.96 for a digital code? It's so easy to find films online for free. Not to mention eventually on subscription services like Netflix, Hulu, etc.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by JimRochester
12 Strong appears to not have a UHD release at this point. I wonder how long before a new movie release is digital only?
Not surprising. At this point it seems like half the new releases aren't getting the UHD treatment.
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I've seen those huge displays with cards for digital films at Walmart and laughed. $19.96 for a digital code? It's so easy to find films online for free. Not to mention eventually on subscription services like Netflix, Hulu, etc.
I know, right? I was shocked at the prices that were in that photo posted up-thread. $65 for digital codes of Breaking Bad when there are umpteen other ways to watch it? They need to get creative with their pricing if they want to sell digital codes over physical, or else people will just go to the torrent sites or their Kodi device.

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Not surprising. At this point it seems like half the new releases aren't getting the UHD treatment.
I wish it were half. :-/

I use High Def Digest's release date lists as a reference, and comparing the weekly Blu-ray list with the weekly Ultra HD Blu-ray list kind of bowls me over.
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I wish it were half. :-/

I use High Def Digest's release date lists as a reference, and comparing the weekly Blu-ray list with the weekly Ultra HD Blu-ray list kind of bowls me over.
Not a fair comparison since over half of those Blu-ray releases are reissues or duplicate SKUs. Still well less than half, but really what were people expecting? Did anyone think we would get as much catalog on UHD as we have seen so far?(announced and released).
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I know, right? I was shocked at the prices that were in that photo posted up-thread. $65 for digital codes of Breaking Bad when there are umpteen other ways to watch it? They need to get creative with their pricing if they want to sell digital codes over physical, or else people will just go to the torrent sites or their Kodi device.
I feel the pricing structure on digital is completely out of whack.

Some catalogue titles demand $15-20 price tags, and tv shows for the most part seem over priced. Granted you get sales but I feel like it's only certain shows, and I feel like certain studios ( I'm looking at you WB) have this floor where they won't drop below 9.99. Keep in mind I look and do most purchases on iTunes
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I know that for Sony's huge box office bomb, Roland Emmerich's "Stonewall" this just relegated it to DVD.
Sony is insane- they INVENTED the friggin' Blu-Ray format, but I just knew they'd do something to mess it up, just like they messed up DVD (before Blu-Ray came out) when they reissued a ton of movies with only the pan and scan versions included. They've had a few B-titles out (like Space Station 76) that I would've bought on Blu-Ray, but not on regular DVD- I just rented that one time on "digital" and left it at that. I've heard they're thinking of selling the movie division though so that'll be interesting if that happens. Mill Creek has been doing a better job with their catalog lately anyways. When Sony first bought Columbia Pictures they still had a chance to use it to save their Beta format with it, but didn't.
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I wish it were half. :-/

I use High Def Digest's release date lists as a reference, and comparing the weekly Blu-ray list with the weekly Ultra HD Blu-ray list kind of bowls me over.
Well I was referring to newly released movies, not older movies... so it won't look nearly as bad.

But just off the top of my head, these are relatively new titles (or upcoming) that didn't/won't get a UHD release: Florida Project, I Tonya, Disaster Artist, Phantom Thread, Roman J. Israel ESQ, Only The Brave, Suburbicon, Last Flag Flying, Geostorm, etc.

We're 2 years into UHD-BD and I don't remember BD being avoided as often for day/date releases at the same time in it's life.
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I wonder how many copies they need to sell to make a run worthwhile? With the numbers so low, I'm frankly surprised we've seen as many titles as we have.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by bruceames
Not a fair comparison since over half of those Blu-ray releases are reissues or duplicate SKUs. Still well less than half, but really what were people expecting? Did anyone think we would get as much catalog on UHD as we have seen so far?(announced and released).
A handful of releases a week is still very weak output though, no? And still well below the release number for blue ray.
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A handful of releases a week is still very weak output though, no? And still well below the release number for blue ray.
Nothing unexpected though, except perhaps for more catalog releases than was thought just prior to the format's launch.

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