Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
02-13-18, 09:15 PM
#4976
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Take a title like Christine when it first came out on Blu-ray from Twilight Time and was capped at 3,000 units.
Did the high royalty costs of the music factor into Twilight Time not wanting to license the title for a larger quantity?
I know they capped several titles at the same quantity for reasons other than music-associated rights but I'm pretty sure one aspect of music licensing is dictated by the quantity of reproductions made - whether it's "mechanical" or "synchronization" rights.
02-13-18, 11:35 PM
#4977
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
That is Twilight Time's business model, where they purchase the rights to produce a limited run of blu-ray discs for select titles. It's usually three years and 3000 pieces. This way all of their studio licensing is up front, and then they produce a limited edition product and directly sell them to consumers, which probably gives them higher profit margins than going through the regular distribution channel.
It has little, if anything, to do with music rights.
02-14-18, 06:04 AM
#4978
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
This probably an unusual situation. The 80s show Werewolf was shot on tape in such a way that the audio cannot be separated from the video. The only option is to completely remove the scenes with music they can't get rights to.
In the pilot a Mike and Mechanics song that's pretty long (Can You Hear Me Calling?) plays during a nightclub scene with a werewolf attack in the parking lot. They can't use it.
Probably never become available.
In the pilot a Mike and Mechanics song that's pretty long (Can You Hear Me Calling?) plays during a nightclub scene with a werewolf attack in the parking lot. They can't use it.
Probably never become available.
02-14-18, 08:20 AM
#4979
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Twilight Time's business model of 3000 units was solely to stimulate demand for their high prices. Only if people think the movie is limited and will not be around long will they justify paying $30 for it. It worked for several years but now they discount them to $10 or sometimes less (usually the older the release the less it sells for) with almost constant sales.
3000 units is a lot for a catalog anyway, even back then. Most catalogs sell far less than that. But many people think that 3000 is not enough for the market so they get sucked in and decide to put in front of their queue and buy it before it's gone. That's not happening anymore of course. The only ones that sell out are those that are on sale (usually $10 or less).
3000 units is a lot for a catalog anyway, even back then. Most catalogs sell far less than that. But many people think that 3000 is not enough for the market so they get sucked in and decide to put in front of their queue and buy it before it's gone. That's not happening anymore of course. The only ones that sell out are those that are on sale (usually $10 or less).
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02-14-18, 08:38 AM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
From the sound of things, the separated stems were lost or discarded, so the only thing that was left was the final, mixed audio. Since the songs were baked in, the options from there were awfully limited.
02-14-18, 08:47 AM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I didn't even realize Flixster had been shutdown. I have about 20 or so UV code movies on there, although I don't think I've ever actually watched one.
Nice of them to send out a "heads-up" notice. The Flixster website does not even mention this outright, it just directs you to Google Play, Apple Store or Fandango.com.
I guess my movies are available somewhere out there.
Nice of them to send out a "heads-up" notice. The Flixster website does not even mention this outright, it just directs you to Google Play, Apple Store or Fandango.com.
I guess my movies are available somewhere out there.
I never used Flixster except redeeming codes and "glitches". The app was terrible
02-14-18, 08:51 AM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Nitpicking, but Werewolf was shot on 35mm. Wouldn't surprise me if all the post-production was handled on video, since that was definitely in full swing around this time.
From the sound of things, the separated stems were lost or discarded, so the only thing that was left was the final, mixed audio. Since the songs were baked in, the options from there were awfully limited.
From the sound of things, the separated stems were lost or discarded, so the only thing that was left was the final, mixed audio. Since the songs were baked in, the options from there were awfully limited.
02-14-18, 09:11 AM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Thank you very much for your post, David. That is exactly the situation. Damned if we do, Damned if we don't.
There was no way we were going to cut the show in order to release it.
Many people continue to say "why did you announce it when it wasn't cleared?".... because it looked like there was no issues when we reviewed the artists and publishers. We also just cleared "thirtysomething", the show that couldn't be cleared due to the amount of songs, so there was no indication that this show would be a problem.
Without the audio tracks we couldn't replace the music.... and we were not going to go into a studio and re-record the dialogue, the cost of doing that correctly would be too expensive.
So, for us, the only option was to cancel the show. We didn't like this option. We spent money on the show that we will never be able to recoup.
I'm sorry this is so disappointing to the fans. That was never our intention. We didn't want to put out an inferior product.
Cliff MacMillan
Shout Factory
There was no way we were going to cut the show in order to release it.
Many people continue to say "why did you announce it when it wasn't cleared?".... because it looked like there was no issues when we reviewed the artists and publishers. We also just cleared "thirtysomething", the show that couldn't be cleared due to the amount of songs, so there was no indication that this show would be a problem.
Without the audio tracks we couldn't replace the music.... and we were not going to go into a studio and re-record the dialogue, the cost of doing that correctly would be too expensive.
So, for us, the only option was to cancel the show. We didn't like this option. We spent money on the show that we will never be able to recoup.
I'm sorry this is so disappointing to the fans. That was never our intention. We didn't want to put out an inferior product.
Cliff MacMillan
Shout Factory
02-14-18, 09:29 AM
#4985
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
No.
That is Twilight Time's business model, where they purchase the rights to produce a limited run of blu-ray discs for select titles. It's usually three years and 3000 pieces. This way all of their studio licensing is up front, and then they produce a limited edition product and directly sell them to consumers, which probably gives them higher profit margins than going through the regular distribution channel.
It has little, if anything, to do with music rights.
That is Twilight Time's business model, where they purchase the rights to produce a limited run of blu-ray discs for select titles. It's usually three years and 3000 pieces. This way all of their studio licensing is up front, and then they produce a limited edition product and directly sell them to consumers, which probably gives them higher profit margins than going through the regular distribution channel.
It has little, if anything, to do with music rights.
Perhaps Twilight accepted a smaller profit margin when compared to other titles. The manufacturing costs of pressing 3,000 units of any said title is pretty much a fixed cost.
02-17-18, 10:03 PM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Updated thru week ending 2/3/18
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)
Code:
Week Date OD OD YoY DVD DVD YoY BD BD YoY BD Share TBO2017 TBO2016 2018 HMM 310.18 -17.0% 192.81 -21.9% 117.38 -7.4% 37.8% 768.5 575.7 5 2/3 56.29 -28.2% 37.88 -26.7% 18.41 -31.2% 32.7 % 51.8 159.2 4 1/27 58.95 -19.3% 35.92 -24.6% 23.04 -9.2% 39.1 % 86.0 52.0 3 1/20 64.03 -7.6% 37.97 -18.1% 26.06 13.5% 40.7 % 161.2 127.6 2 1/13 68.98 -8.8% 41.08 -16.2% 27.90 4.7% 40.4 % 398.5 191.3 1 1/6 61.93 -19.8% 39.96 -23.4% 21.97 -12.4% 35.5 % 71.1 45.6 2017 HMM 4709.40 -13.4% 2821.76 -17.3% 1887.65 -6.8% 40.1% 10508.2 11900.9 Q4 HMM 1423.53 -22.4% 867.51 -23.1% 556.04 -21.3% 39.1% 2496.8 3568.0 52 12/30 81.24 -13.3% 49.95 -15.0% 31.29 -10.3% 38.5 % 49.6 69.1 51 12/23 193.26 -31.2% 117.63 -31.0% 75.63 -31.5% 39.1 % 292.0 299.4 50 12/16 147.11 -32.3% 90.63 -28.4% 56.48 -37.8% 38.4 % 154.9 502.9 49 12/9 118.29 -33.8% 74.56 -30.4% 43.73 -38.8% 37.0 % 303.9 539.1 48 12/2 126.21 -21.2% 78.17 -21.3% 48.04 -21.0% 38.1 % 31.3 233.8 47 11/25 242.10 -13.0% 144.88 -15.7% 97.22 -8.5% 40.2 % 149.9 144.0 46 11/18 72.18 -37.2% 46.53 -27.9% 25.65 -49.1% 35.5 % 117.6 486.6 45 11/11 80.34 -2.3% 46.46 -16.1% 33.89 26.1% 42.2 % 181.1 101.2 44 11/4 68.91 -25.2% 44.56 -22.1% 24.35 -30.3% 35.3 % 81.6 295.6 43 10/28 72.23 0.5% 44.57 -11.7% 27.66 29.1% 38.3 % 339.8 113.9 42 10/21 77.71 -8.9% 43.48 -20.9% 34.23 12.7% 44.0 % 452.3 194.5 41 10/14 66.95 -27.0% 41.76 -27.4% 25.19 -26.4% 37.6 % 164.5 347.7 40 10/7 77.00 -11.6% 44.33 -16.7% 32.68 -3.6% 42.4 % 178.4 240.3 Q3 HMM 971.84 -8.5% 577.81 -15.1% 394.04 3.1% 40.5% 2461.3 2480.5 39 9/30 74.02 -10.5% 42.68 -15.5% 31.35 -2.7% 42.3 % 176.3 286.2 38 9/23 88.62 0.2% 45.32 -11.5% 43.29 16.2% 48.9 % 460.6 158.5 37 9/16 66.52 -34.1% 41.87 -25.9% 24.66 -44.5% 37.1 % 176.7 521.6 36 9/9 66.99 -16.8% 42.78 -21.2% 23.92 -7.6% 35.9 % 94.5 141.9 35 9/2 76.77 -11.5% 44.34 -21.4% 32.43 6.9% 42.2 % 74.9 420.6 34 8/26 89.64 19.2% 44.75 -13.5% 44.89 91.3% 50.1 % 389.7 102.5 33 8/19 69.55 -3.2% 43.98 -12.1% 25.57 17.3% 36.8 % 157.8 128.5 32 8/12 65.32 -0.7% 43.11 -10.1% 22.21 24.4% 34.0 % 108.9 4.2 31 8/5 68.55 -9.0% 44.70 -13.4% 23.85 0.5% 34.8 % 79.3 78.9 30 7/29 75.57 -2.3% 45.15 -10.5% 30.42 13.1% 40.3 % 252.1 145.4 29 7/22 77.90 -19.5% 46.10 -13.2% 31.79 -27.2% 40.8 % 183.8 345.7 28 7/15 87.91 2.1% 49.66 -10.9% 38.25 25.9% 43.5 % 288.9 140.2 27 7/8 64.78 -13.7% 43.37 -14.9% 21.41 -11.3% 33.1 % 17.9 6.4 Q2 HMM 1121.50 -4.9% 637.12 -10.1% 484.35 2.9% 43.2% 3044.2 2989.7 26 7/1 71.44 -9.1% 44.95 -16.4% 26.49 6.7% 37.1 % 117.6 185.8 25 6/24 76.11 -0.6% 46.93 -9.9% 29.18 19.3% 38.3 % 33.4 72.4 24 6/17 105.28 7.5% 55.01 -10.2% 50.27 37.0% 47.7 % 276.5 175.6 23 6/10 108.48 1.2% 52.23 -13.6% 56.26 20.4% 51.9 % 520.6 434.0 22 6/3 72.52 4.1% 45.41 -11.5% 27.10 11.7% 37.4 % 106.2 74.0 21 5/27 81.33 -11.5% 44.57 -9.5% 36.75 55.2% 45.2 % 456.6 140.1 20 5/20 67.70 -11.9% 41.29 -17.0% 26.41 -2.6% 39.0 % 79.7 61.1 19 5/13 76.67 -28.1% 47.03 -16.6% 29.64 -41.0% 38.7 % 115.0 403.7 18 5/6 71.29 -11.5% 45.76 -16.3% 25.33 -1.5% 35.8 % 114.3 112.8 17 4/29 74.86 -3.5% 44.17 -14.1% 30.68 17.4% 41.0 % 181.6 140.5 16 4/22 70.83 -15.1% 43.41 -16.9% 27.41 -12.2% 38.7 % 171.8 225.2 15 4/15 117.63 32.1% 66.62 26.7% 51.01 40.9% 43.4 % 281.6 26.6 14 4/8 127.36 -18.9% 59.74 -6.2% 67.62 -27.6% 53.1 % 589.4 938.0 Q1 HMM 1192.53 -12.3% 739.32 -17.4% 453.22 -2.5% 38.0% 2505.9 2862.7 13 4/1 112.95 24.4% 60.55 -0.2% 52.40 73.8% 46.4 % 344.2 118.2 12 3/25 103.13 -28.7% 59.67 -35.5% 43.46 -16.7% 42.1 % 340.2 433.9 11 3/18 98.33 -12.1% 62.34 -17.5% 35.99 -0.9% 36.6 % 191.2 295.0 10 3/11 121.64 23.2% 67.49 -0.4% 54.15 74.6% 44.5 % 267.7 162.7 9 3/4 107.76 6.5% 63.76 -7.5% 44.00 36.5% 40.8 % 310.3 184.5 8 2/25 93.03 -12.0% 61.94 -12.3% 31.09 -11.3% 33.4 % 143.1 190.7 7 2/18 89.28 -8.3% 58.05 -14.9% 31.23 7.3% 35.0 % 123.5 101.2 6 2/11 92.58 -23.3% 58.63 -25.2% 33.95 -19.8% 36.7 % 210.1 266.0 5 2/4 78.85 -22.1% 51.94 -20.0% 26.91 -25.8% 34.1 % 159.2 123.2 4 1/28 72.94 -25.9% 47.60 -27.1% 25.34 -23.5% 34.7 % 52.1 97.3 3 1/21 69.27 -31.1% 46.31 -26.5% 22.97 -38.9% 33.2 % 127.6 302.3 2 1/14 75.60 -24.5% 48.94 -19.9% 26.66 -31.6% 35.3 % 191.3 449.5 1 1/7 77.17 -12.5% 52.10 -9.6% 25.07 -18.0% 32.5 % 45.6 138.3 2016 HMM 5453.79 -9.0% 3430.39 -13.5% 2023.41 -0.5% 37.1% 11887.0 10533.0 Q4 HMM 1846.85 -13.1% 1136.34 -13.3% 710.53 -12.9% 38.5% 3565.4 3309.2 52 12/31 94.19 -23.2% 59.19 -22.3% 35.01 -24.7% 37.2 % 69.0 109.1 51 12/24 282.55 1.6% 171.74 1.2% 110.81 2.1% 39.2 % 298.5 105.5 50 12/17 218.73 -17.6% 127.64 -19.2% 91.09 -15.3% 41.6 % 502.4 417.4 49 12/10 179.82 -17.0% 108.07 -14.0% 71.75 -21.2% 39.9 % 538.7 532.3 48 12/3 161.58 -3.7% 100.45 -8.4% 61.13 5.1% 37.8 % 233.7 19.6 47 11/2 280.33 -4.3% 173.78 -9.5% 106.55 5.5% 38.0 % 144.0 87.9 46 11/19 116.00 13.5% 65.09 -3.3% 50.91 45.8% 43.9 % 486.6 52.6 45 11/12 82.80 -24.8% 55.69 -20.7% 27.11 -31.9% 32.7 % 101.2 230.8 44 11/5 92.68 -27.5% 57.51 -25.7% 35.18 -30.3% 38.0 % 295.6 420.1 43 10/29 72.35 -29.5% 50.73 -22.6% 21.62 -41.6% 29.9 % 113.6 217.9 42 10/22 85.81 -35.3% 55.20 -19.1% 30.61 -52.4% 35.7 % 194.6 697.4 41 10/15 92.22 -13.7% 57.73 -9.6% 34.49 -19.8% 37.4 % 347.6 290.2 40 10/8 87.79 -11.6% 53.52 -19.2% 34.27 3.8% 39.0 % 240.2 128.4 Q3 HMM 1062.92 -7.8% 680.69 -14.7% 382.21 7.6% 36.0% 2480.1 2303.8 39 10/1 83.38 -28.0% 50.61 -29.4% 32.77 -25.8% 39.3 % 286.0 650.0 38 9/24 88.47 -6.9% 50.51 -18.8% 37.95 15.6% 42.9 % 158.3 185.3 37 9/17 100.88 -18.7% 56.65 -18.7% 44.22 -12.9% 43.8 % 521.4 584.4 36 9/10 80.07 0.1% 54.37 -7.1% 25.70 19.6% 32.1 % 141.9 43.9 35 9/3 86.79 -2.0% 56.56 -7.8% 30.23 11.0% 34.8 % 420.5 163.8 34 8/27 75.45 3.0% 51.95 -5.7% 23.50 29.4% 31.1 % 103.0 27.9 33 8/20 71.78 -5.7% 50.09 -12.0% 21.69 13.2% 30.2 % 128.5 7.8 32 8/13 65.55 -16.8% 47.80 -18.8% 17.75 -10.8% 27.1 % 4.2 67.2 31 8/6 75.00 -18.8% 51.34 -20.4% 23.66 -15.1% 31.5 % 78.9 166.8 30 7/30 77.19 -11.2% 50.45 -16.7% 26.74 1.3% 34.6 % 145.1 182.1 29 7/23 96.62 25.8% 53.10 -5.4% 43.52 110.3% 45.0 % 345.7 3.7 28 7/16 85.82 -6.5% 55.62 -12.8% 30.20 8.0% 35.2 % 140.2 185.9 27 7/9 75.92 -1.5% 51.64 -11.5% 24.28 29.7% 32.0 % 6.4 35.1 Q2 HMM 1188.41 4.3% 716.43 -9.5% 471.98 35.9% 39.7% 2985.4 1764.1 26 7/2 79.30 -1.7% 54.21 -10.4% 25.08 24.6% 31.6 % 185.8 115.1 25 6/25 77.13 0.6% 52.63 -6.9% 24.50 21.5% 31.8 % 72.4 0.1 24 6/18 98.65 1.9% 61.90 -4.9% 36.75 15.7% 37.3 % 175.5 100.5 23 6/11 107.74 19.3% 60.99 -1.2% 46.75 63.7% 43.4 % 431.8 185.5 22 6/4 76.29 -22.2% 51.94 -20.9% 24.35 -24.7% 31.9 % 73.8 309.0 21 5/28 73.60 -12.0% 49.82 -14.9% 23.78 -5.1% 32.3 % 140.1 23.6 20 5/21 77.54 -26.5% 50.34 -25.8% 27.20 -27.9% 35.1 % 61.1 376.0 19 5/14 107.18 23.1% 56.93 -6.0% 50.25 89.4% 46.9 % 403.3 34.5 18 5/7 81.33 -19.5% 55.32 -17.3% 26.02 -23.7% 32.0 % 112.7 251.6 17 4/30 78.19 -1.6% 52.00 -9.3% 26.19 18.3% 33.5 % 140.1 23.6 16 4/23 84.07 4.5% 52.84 -8.3% 31.23 37.0% 37.1 % 224.9 91.7 15 4/16 89.59 17.2% 53.25 -2.1% 36.34 64.8% 40.6 % 26.6 43.1 14 4/9 157.80 90.2% 64.26 9.0% 93.54 289.4% 59.3 % 937.2 7.8 Q1 HMM 1355.61 -14.1% 896.93 -15.7% 458.69 -10.9% 33.8% 2856.1 3156.0 13 4/2 91.71 -39.0% 61.35 -38.2% 30.35 -40.5% 33.1 % 118.1 333.7 12 3/26 145.35 0.1% 93.05 2.4% 52.30 -3.8% 36.0 % 433.8 498.8 11 3/19 112.95 0.7% 76.44 -0.2% 36.52 2.7% 32.3 % 294.4 260.6 10 3/12 99.52 -16.8% 68.43 -15.6% 31.08 -19.3% 31.2 % 162.6 114.5 9 3/5 86.02 -38.5% 60.05 -34.3% 25.97 -46.3% 30.2 % 184.1 350.9 8 2/27 106.70 -29.5% 71.62 -24.7% 35.08 -37.7% 32.9 % 186.8 303.2 7 2/20 98.44 -18.9% 69.29 -15.6% 29.15 -25.9% 29.6 % 101.2 218.7 6 2/13 122.01 -5.6% 79.65 -12.7% 42.36 11.3% 34.7 % 265.7 126.4 5 2/6 102.48 -15.3% 66.32 -21.2% 36.17 -1.7% 35.3 % 123.0 182.6 4 1/30 99.47 -10.2% 66.32 -11.6% 33.15 -7.1% 33.3 % 97.3 192.7 3 1/23 101.43 1.1% 63.96 -7.1% 37.47 19.2% 36.9 % 302.3 273.7 2 1/16 100.71 12.1% 62.20 -4.4% 38.52 55.4% 38.2 % 448.4 201.4 1 1/9 88.82 0.9% 58.25 -8.5% 30.57 25.4% 34.4 % 138.3 98.7 2015 HMM 5982.0 -11.6% 3959.60 -14.9% 2022.43 -4.6% 33.8% 10548.9 10507.6 Q4 HMM 2120.41 -6.6% 1312.11 -14.9% 808.32 11.2% 38.1% 3308.0 3199.3 52 1/2 122.55 1.1% 76.23 -9.2% 46.32 24.1% 37.8 % 109.1 103.7 51 12/26 278.08 5.8% 170.80 -6.4% 107.28 33.3% 38.6 % 105.5 7.1 50 12/19 265.13 -13.5% 159.63 -22.9% 105.50 5.9% 39.8 % 417.3 343.8 49 12/12 215.99 -13.0% 128.33 -20.5% 87.66 1.0% 40.6 % 532.3 410.0 48 12/5 167.01 -17.8% 108.97 -21.9% 58.04 -8.9% 34.8 % 19.5 291.0 47 11/28 292.88 -11.2% 191.68 -15.3% 101.20 -2.3% 34.6 % 87.9 165.5 46 11/21 101.56 -21.3% 66.89 -26.6% 34.68 -8.4% 34.1 % 52.6 324.7 45 11/14 109.57 -20.8% 69.83 -22.8% 39.74 -17.1% 36.3 % 230.6 391.6 44 11/7 127.41 -1.2% 77.03 -7.4% 50.38 10.2% 39.5 % 419.7 408.6 43 10/31 101.99 14.7% 65.10 -2.2% 36.90 65.0% 36.2 % 217.9 65.1 42 10/24 132.34 41.4% 68.00 1.9% 64.34 139.6% 48.6 % 697.0 157.5 41 10/17 106.67 -5.0% 63.65 -12.6% 43.02 9.2% 40.3 % 290.2 347.5 40 10/10 99.23 -6.7% 65.97 -7.0% 33.26 -6.2% 33.5 % 128.4 183.4 Q3 HMM 1147.35 -13.2% 793.83 -15.3% 353.52 -8.1% 30.8% 2299.4 2295.6 39 10/3 115.56 1.4% 71.34 -3.4% 44.22 10.3% 38.3 % 650.1 278.5 38 9/26 94.73 -2.5% 61.87 -11.4% 32.86 20.1% 34.7 % 184.7 156.0 37 9/19 120.04 -0.2% 69.38 -14.0% 50.66 28.0% 42.2 % 582.4 391.7 36 9/12 79.80 -28.5% 58.35 -20.4% 21.45 -44.0% 26.9 % 43.9 285.5 35 9/5 88.23 -0.7% 61.12 -10.2% 27.11 30.7% 30.7 % 163.6 40.0 34 8/29 73.03 -25.3% 54.90 -23.7% 18.12 -29.9% 24.8 % 27.8 66.3 33 8/22 75.79 -26.7% 56.68 -20.0% 19.12 -41.2% 25.2 % 7.8 217.1 32 8/15 78.42 -21.4% 58.56 -19.0% 19.85 -27.6% 25.3 % 67.1 93.1 31 8/8 92.02 -17.7% 64.19 -18.5% 27.83 -15.9% 30.2 % 166.8 283.1 30 8/1 86.59 -14.0% 60.24 -17.8% 26.35 -3.9% 30.4 % 181.8 187.2 29 7/25 76.44 -23.6% 55.78 -24.6% 20.66 -20.7% 27.0 % 3.7 147.7 28 7/18 91.34 -5.5% 63.42 -9.0% 27.93 3.6% 30.6 % 184.7 134.7 27 7/11 75.36 -5.9% 58.00 -4.7% 17.36 -9.7% 23.0 % 34.9 14.6 Q2 HMM 1136.2 -17.9% 789.33 -18.0% 346.83 -17.5% 30.5% 1763.1 1836.5 26 7/4 80.04 -10.1% 59.99 -9.6% 20.05 -11.6% 25.0 % 115.1 4.7 25 6/27 76.22 -21.3% 56.18 -16.9% 20.04 -31.5% 26.3 % 0.1 121.6 24 6/20 96.47 -18.9% 64.82 -15.8% 31.65 -24.5% 32.8 % 100.5 317.6 23 6/13 90.01 -21.9% 61.54 -19.8% 28.47 -26.0% 31.6 % 185.5 145.4 22 6/6 97.72 -12.0% 65.23 -11.7% 32.49 -12.6% 33.2 % 308.9 243.4 21 5/30 83.37 0.7% 58.42 -3.7% 24.95 12.7% 29.9 % 23.6 23.6 20 5/23 105.56 18.2% 67.81 6.1% 37.74 48.8% 35.8 % 375.9 189.1 19 5/16 86.81 2.2% 60.42 -2.7% 26.39 15.3% 30.4 % 34.3 72.1 18 5/9 100.88 10.2% 66.77 -0.7% 34.11 40.2% 33.8 % 251.6 5.7 17 5/2 79.35 -10.8% 57.24 -12.2% 22.11 -6.8% 27.9 % 225.1 51.6 16 4/25 80.42 -10.4% 57.62 -11.9% 22.80 -6.5% 28.4 % 91.6 0.1 15 4/18 76.44 -56.7% 54.38 -55.8% 22.06 -58.7% 28.9 % 43.1 296.7 14 4/11 82.89 -44.1% 58.91 -37.0% 23.97 -56.2% 28.9 % 7.8 365.0 Q1 HMM 1578.06 -12.1% 1064.33 -11.9% 513.76 -12.4% 32.6% 3178.4 3176.1 13 4/4 150.33 10.2% 99.28 9.4% 51.05 11.8% 34.0 % 332.0 165.9 12 3/28 145.19 -3.0% 90.83 -9.0% 54.36 9.1% 37.4 % 498.8 187.9 11 3/21 112.10 -53.7% 76.52 -45.3% 35.58 -65.1% 31.7 % 260.4 643.5 10 3/14 119.66 -11.6% 81.16 -13.1% 38.50 -8.3% 32.2 % 113.4 66.6 9 3/7 139.83 -1.7% 91.54 -14.1% 48.29 -18.6% 34.5 % 350.9 490.2 8 2/28 151.40 -2.6% 95.11 -3.3% 56.32 -1.4% 37.2 % 303.3 506.5 7 2/21 120.65 -5.2% 82.04 -7.6% 38.61 0.3% 32.0 % 216.5 0.2 6 2/14 129.22 -17.1% 91.16 -18.0% 38.06 -12.9% 29.5 % 126.3 162.8 5 2/7 120.93 3.2% 84.14 -0.7% 36.79 13.4% 30.4 % 184.4 147.1 4 1/31 110.66 0.4% 75.00 -3.0% 35.67 8.3% 32.2 % 192.8 319.5 3 1/24 100.24 4.2% 68.82 -1.4% 31.43 18.8% 31.4 % 273.7 196.0 2 1/17 89.84 -15.3% 65.07 -14.6% 24.76 -17.2% 27.6 % 201.2 261.7 1 1/10 87.99 -10.9% 63.66 -11.4% 24.34 -9.5% 27.7 % 124.8 28.2 2014 HMM 6783.24 -10.1% 4661.69 -11.0% 2121.58 -7.9% 31.3% 10450.6 10589.2 Q4 HMM 2267.71 -14.1% 1540.94 -13.0% 726.79 -16.4% 32.0% 3157.4 3445.0 52 1/3 121.21 -4.4% 83.90 -6.1% 37.31 -0.5% 30.8 % 103.7 24.5 51 12/27 263.04 -3.6% 182.27 -3.0% 80.77 -4.8% 30.7 % 7.1 83.9 50 12/20 306.48 -20.8% 206.91 -21.0% 99.57 -20.5% 32.5 % 343.4 406.9 49 12/13 248.11 -24.8% 161.33 -20.5% 86.78 -31.7% 35.0 % 409.4 618.1 48 12/6 203.22 -11.9% 139.51 -8.0% 63.71 -19.3% 31.4 % 291.0 235.1 47 11/29 329.76 -11.5% 226.35 -10.7% 103.42 -13.4% 31.4 % 165.5 80.0 46 11/22 128.77 -17.6% 90.97 -14.0% 37.81 -25.2% 29.4 % 324.7 354.1 45 11/15 138.26 -8.0% 90.36 -4.8% 47.90 -13.5% 34.6 % 391.5 380.3 44 11/8 128.78 2.9% 83.10 -5.6% 45.68 22.9% 35.5 % 408.5 209.3 43 11/1 88.60 -31.4% 66.32 -24.2% 22.28 -46.6% 25.1 % 65.1 302.2 42 10/25 93.20 -14.2% 66.38 -15.6% 26.82 -10.5% 28.8 % 157.1 212.5 41 10/18 112.00 -14.9% 72.69 -17.5% 39.31 -9.5% 35.1 % 347.4 293.7 40 10/11 106.28 -10.8% 70.85 -12.9% 35.43 -6.1% 33.3 % 182.9 244.6 Q3 HMM 1320.38 -8.6% 935.73 -8.5% 384.66 -9.1% 29.1% 2295.1 2305.5 39 10/4 113.89 -18.5% 73.80 -12.6% 40.09 -27.5% 35.2 % 278.5 288.6 38 9/27 97.15 -22.7% 69.79 -11.9% 27.37 -41.1% 28.2 % 155.7 414.8 37 9/20 120.20 5.5% 80.61 2.8% 39.59 11.5% 32.9 % 391.2 213.6 36 9/13 111.46 -16.0% 73.15 -14.5% 38.31 -18.7% 34.4 % 285.5 239.8 35 9/6 88.74 -18.9% 68.01 -17.8% 20.73 -22.1% 23.4 % 40.0 123.9 34 8/30 97.67 -16.3% 71.81 -15.8% 25.85 -17.5% 26.5 % 67.6 197.5 33 8/23 103.27 0.9% 70.74 -7.8% 32.53 27.1% 31.5 % 217.1 146.6 32 8/16 99.46 -2.2% 72.02 -4.6% 27.44 4.9% 27.6 % 93.1 130.3 31 8/9 111.46 4.8% 78.38 4.2% 33.08 6.2% 29.7 % 283.2 136.9 30 8/2 100.58 -3.3% 73.19 -2.7% 27.40 -4.7% 27.2 % 187.2 125.4 29 7/26 99.91 8.7% 73.88 3.1% 26.03 28.5% 26.1 % 147.6 3.9 28 7/19 96.55 -5.0% 69.59 -8.5% 26.96 5.5% 27.9 % 133.9 159.9 27 7/12 80.04 -19.4% 60.76 -20.2% 19.28 -16.8% 24.1 % 14.6 124.3 Q2 HMM 1381.45 -1.7% 961.09 -5.7% 420.37 8.6% 30.4% 1833.8 1735.1 26 7/5 88.88 -11.2% 66.22 -15.0% 22.66 2.3% 25.5 % 4.6 1.1 25 6/28 96.64 -0.7% 67.38 -8.4% 29.26 23.1% 30.3 % 121.6 78.1 24 6/21 118.84 8.1% 76.92 -2.9% 41.93 36.6% 35.3 % 316.3 135.0 23 6/14 115.15 -21.0% 76.72 -21.8% 38.43 -19.4% 33.4 % 144.9 334.5 22 6/7 110.91 -9.8% 73.74 -15.1% 37.17 3.0% 33.5 % 243.4 325.5 21 5/31 82.78 -10.1% 60.65 -12.9% 22.12 -1.4% 26.7 % 23.6 18.4 20 5/24 89.23 -13.7% 63.85 -15.3% 25.38 -9.3% 28.4 % 189.1 84.8 19 5/17 84.90 -11.9% 62.00 -12.3% 22.89 -10.9% 27.0 % 72.1 61.8 18 5/10 91.35 -22.5% 67.02 -19.8% 24.33 -29.0% 26.6 % 5.7 223.5 17 5/3 88.49 -15.2% 64.85 -14.1% 23.65 -18.2% 26.7 % 51.6 189.7 16 4/26 89.68 -11.1% 65.32 -10.6% 24.37 -12.3% 27.2 % 0.1 113.5 15 4/19 176.28 56.2% 122.89 54.5% 53.39 60.3% 30.3 % 295.8 162.8 14 4/12 148.32 45.2% 93.53 23.4% 54.79 108.0% 36.9 % 365.0 6.4 Q1 HMM 1813.70 -11.6% 1223.93 -14.2% 589.76 -5.7% 32.5% 3164.4 3103.6 13 4/5 136.35 6.0% 90.67 -1.5% 45.68 24.8% 33.5 % 165.9 0.4 12 3/29 149.53 -32.9% 99.72 -35.3% 49.81 -27.6% 33.3 % 187.8 297.1 11 3/22 241.91 18.3% 139.92 11.3% 101.98 29.5% 42.2 % 641.1 618.9 10 3/15 145.68 -10.9% 101.76 -8.6% 43.92 -15.8% 30.1 % 66.6 247.4 9 3/8 165.48 -15.3% 106.21 -20.7% 59.26 -3.4% 35.8 % 488.3 257.6 8 3/1 155.39 -12.4% 98.31 -23.9% 57.09 18.3% 36.7 % 503.8 315.7 7 2/22 127.22 -19.7% 88.74 -16.0% 38.47 -27.0% 30.2 % 0.2 247.3 6 2/15 155.64 -20.7% 111.97 -15.2% 43.67 -31.9% 28.1 % 162.8 368.9 5 2/8 117.08 -18.4% 84.67 -18.6% 32.41 -17.9% 27.7 % 144.0 171.1 4 2/1 118.53 -4.5% 84.08 -5.7% 34.46 -1.4% 29.1% 318.9 221.4 3 1/25 96.17 -7.9% 69.76 -11.4% 26.41 2.7% 27.5% 195.3 47.0 2 1/18 106.11 -10.2% 76.19 -11.5% 29.92 -6.8% 28.2% 261.6 213.6 1 1/11 98.61 -14.2% 71.93 -15.1% 26.68 -11.8% 27.1% 28.2 97.3 2013 HMM 7539.31 -8.3% 5242.51 -13.1% 2296.82 4.9% 30.5% 10668.2 10071.3 Q4 HMM 2766.93 -9.8% 1851.78 -14.0% 915.15 0.1% 33.1% 3728.2 3249.2 53 1/4 126.71 -11.6% 89.22 -14.9% 37.49 -2.5% 29.6% 24.5 67.2 52 12/28 272.62 14.2% 187.84 9.7% 84.77 25.6% 31.1% 83.8 11.9 51 12/21 386.85 -8.2% 261.74 -14.4% 125.11 8.2% 32.3% 406.8 284.4 50 12/14 330.14 -5.5% 203.04 -15.2% 127.10 15.7% 38.5% 617.5 493.4 49 12/7 230.30 -24.6% 151.36 -22.3% 78.94 -28.7% 34.3% 235.1 586.2 48 11/30 372.25 70.3% 253.10 64.6% 119.15 83.8% 32.0% 79.9 133.4 47 11/23 156.10 -60.0% 105.57 -62.3% 50.53 -54.0% 32.4% 354.0 85.0 46 11/16 149.93 -12.3% 94.62 -18.5% 55.31 0.9% 36.9% 376.1 326.6 45 11/9 124.86 -3.7% 87.74 -6.2% 37.12 2.7% 29.7% 209.3 315.0 44 11/2 128.93 2.0% 87.22 -9.4% 41.72 38.1% 32.4% 301.9 93.5 43 10/26 108.04 -27.3% 78.18 -28.3% 29.87 -24.6% 27.6% 212.5 227.0 42 10/19 131.05 -5.6% 87.75 -11.0% 43.30 7.7% 33.0% 293.5 350.8 41 10/12 119.64 -13.2% 81.55 -11.3% 38.09 -16.9% 31.8% 244.6 181.9 40 10/5 129.51 -12.4% 82.85 -14.9% 46.65 -7.6% 36.0% 288.6 93.1 Q3 DEG 1448.64 -13.4% 1011.45 -15.4% 437.19 -8.3% 30.2% (EST)273.9 15.9%(share) Q3 HMM 1401.22 -14.3% 1010.62 -16.4% 390.58 -8.4% 27.9% 2017.4 2145.2 39 9/28 125.64 -37.1% 79.05 -29.2% 46.59 -47.1% 37.1% 414.8 624.7 38 9/21 113.74 -4.1% 78.15 -13.1% 35.58 24.2% 31.3% 213.5 116.7 37 9/14 132.99 -1.9% 85.34 -15.8% 47.65 39.1% 35.8% 239.8 211.1 36 9/7 108.70 8.9% 80.72 -13.8% 27.98 8.9% 25.7% 123.8 46.5 35 8/31 114.52 -21.0% 84.31 -21.6% 30.21 -19.3% 26.4% 197.5 262.5 34 8/24 102.07 -29.3% 76.50 -28.1% 25.57 -32.7% 25.1% 146.4 105.5 33 8/17 101.24 -31.8% 75.14 -30.9% 26.10 -34.2% 25.8% 130.3 412.4 32 8/10 106.13 -8.3% 75.01 -13.4% 31.12 7.0% 29.3% 136.9 216.2 31 8/3 103.89 10.4% 75.15 -1.7% 28.74 62.5% 27.7% 125.4 0.1 30 7/27 91.47 -3.5% 71.25 -4.9% 20.21 1.8% 22.1% 3.9 18.5 29 7/20 101.61 -3.4% 76.01 -7.2% 25.60 9.8% 25.2% 159.9 81.0 28 7/13 99.26 -5.7% 76.13 -8.7% 23.13 6.0% 23.3% 124.3 59.6 27 7/6 99.96 -8.0% 77.86 -9.5% 22.10 -2.4% 22.1% 1.1 0.5 Q2 DEG 1457.26 -13.0% 1052.97 -16.7% 404.29 -1.5% 27.7% (EST)259.4 15.1%(share) Q2 HMM 1432.97 -13.2% 1031.66 -17.1% 401.32 -1.3% 28.0% 1777.3 2318.0 26 6/29 97.21 -21.8% 73.46 -20.8% 23.76 -24.7% 24.4% 78.1 350.5 25 6/22 109.92 -5.8% 79.23 -10.9% 30.69 10.7% 27.9% 135.0 98.6 24 6/15 145.76 -10.6% 98.08 -15.6% 47.68 1.9% 32.7% 334.2 275.5 23 6/8 122.79 -19.0% 86.72 -18.2% 36.06 -21.0% 29.4% 325.2 374.1 22 6/1 91.91 -18.9% 69.55 -20.2% 22.36 -14.4% 24.3% 18.4 37.0 21 5/25 103.15 -6.7% 75.17 -10.1% 27.98 3.8% 27.1% 84.8 178.2 20 5/18 96.09 -12.1% 70.43 -15.0% 25.67 -3.1% 26.7% 61.8 200.1 19 5/11 117.72 -5.1% 83.48 -11.5% 34.24 15.4% 29.1% 223.5 187.5 18 5/4 104.34 -4.3% 75.45 -12.1% 28.89 24.7% 27.7% 189.5 105.0 17 4/27 100.75 -4.2% 72.97 -8.6% 27.78 9.8% 27.6% 157.3 67.9 16 4/20 112.75 1.5% 79.45 -3.3% 33.30 14.9% 29.5% 162.8 236.0 15 4/13 102.06 -6.0% 75.74 -12.1% 26.32 17.6% 25.8% 6.4 51.8 14 4/6 128.52 -36.9% 91.93 -41.8% 36.59 -20.0% 28.5% 0.4 155.8 Q1 DEG 2098.83 2.1% 1455.55 -6.7% 643.28 28.5% 30.6% (EST)231.2 9.9%(share) Q1 HMM 2064.90 2.5% 1437.67 -6.2% 627.26 30.1% 30.4% 3169.8 2426.1 13 3/30 222.64 41.9% 153.75 26.4% 68.89 95.1% 30.9% 294.8 171.2 12 3/23 204.22 35.8% 125.59 14.6% 78.63 92.8% 38.5% 618.7 356.9 11 3/16 163.59 10.3% 111.45 -1.8% 52.15 49.6% 31.9% 244.8 279.2 10 3/9 195.09 19.0% 133.76 10.1% 61.33 44.3% 31.4% 256.6 216.0 9 3/2 177.32 15.9% 129.10 10.1% 48.23 35.0% 27.2% 315.6 82.3 8 2/23 158.25 -1.7% 105.48 -14.7% 52.77 41.6% 33.3% 251.0 274.4 7 2/16 196.00 -6.2% 131.73 -18.6% 64.27 36.6% 32.8% 368.6 16.2 6 2/9 143.36 -30.4% 103.88 -31.5% 39.48 -27.5% 27.5% 171.1 321.4 5 2/2 124.02 -15.3% 89.11 -19.9% 34.91 -0.8% 28.1% 221.2 118.7 4 1/26 104.36 -19.8% 78.68 -18.6% 25.69 -23.2% 24.6% 46.5 226.0 3 1/19 118.15 -7.3% 88.02 -14.7% 32.13 20.7% 27.2% 213.2 114.0 2 1/12 114.83 -8.9% 84.56 -13.8% 30.27 8.1% 26.4% 96.8 116.2 1 1/5 143.07 5.5% 104.56 -0.1% 38.51 24.4% 26.9% 67.2 134.3
02-20-18, 01:44 AM
#4987
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I think one not unlikely scenario is that you could lose your purchased library as the ownership model is phased out in favor of streaming. The entertainment industry really likes that recurring billing model, whether it's Netflix or cable television. They're looking at the tons of money Netflix pulls in month after month, and that looks more attractive than selling someone a $20 disc that lasts forever and gets sold on eBay when tne current owner is bored with it.
And then, in a few years, your tv and movie purchases are gone just like that.
And then, in a few years, your tv and movie purchases are gone just like that.
It's already happening in music and Hollywood won't be far behind. In ten years actual ownership of a Hollywood movie may be very rare in the marketplace.
We don't necessarily know the behind-the-scenes contract of how much Twilight paid for licensing on each title. The music isn't free - the rights holders do get paid and it's built into the licensing cost in some form.
Perhaps Twilight accepted a smaller profit margin when compared to other titles. The manufacturing costs of pressing 3,000 units of any said title is pretty much a fixed cost.
Perhaps Twilight accepted a smaller profit margin when compared to other titles. The manufacturing costs of pressing 3,000 units of any said title is pretty much a fixed cost.
02-20-18, 05:19 PM
#4988
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
02-20-18, 10:53 PM
#4989
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Damn, and I bought a bunch that week too, though mostly DVDs (cheap TV series at Walmart.)
02-21-18, 01:44 PM
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02-21-18, 02:13 PM
#4993
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
They did give notice, I think for a few months. All of my stuff got ported to VUDU (where it was anyway, thanks to UV). Only the TV Shows that were stuck on Flixster got ported over since those typically don't have UV rights.
I never used Flixster except redeeming codes and "glitches". The app was terrible
I never used Flixster except redeeming codes and "glitches". The app was terrible
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/20/1...ice-shuts-down
I checked my email and I only have an initial email from them when I signed-up and nothing after.
If Flixster is going belly-up, how safe is Vudu? Everything is safe and sound until the company decides maintaining your library is no longer economically viable.
Maybe I'm just old-school but I don't really care to sign-up for yet another site and chase-down my library hoping they still exist. Since they didn't send me an email, am I still in their system? Who knows?
Going forward, I think I'll continue getting up off my ass and reaching all the way over to my bookshelf, open a nice case with colourful artwork and a shiny disc. Pop the disc into a player and watch a movie.
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02-21-18, 04:15 PM
#4994
DVD Talk Limited Edition
02-21-18, 07:44 PM
#4995
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
If Flixster is going belly-up, how safe is Vudu? Everything is safe and sound until the company decides maintaining your library is no longer economically viable.
02-21-18, 09:13 PM
#4996
DVD Talk Special Edition
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
I just came to the quick realization that Vudu is not available in Canada which may explain why Flixster never sent me an email to inform me that I'm SOL.
Yay digital!
Yay digital!
02-21-18, 10:18 PM
#4997
DVD Talk Reviewer & TOAT Winner
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
The chance of moving to another country is another consideration- if that ever comes up (and that IS something I'd like to do someday, though I don't know how possible it is) I'll have to prioritize which of my digital movies I'm going to watch before leaving. I can take all my discs with me, don't even need to worry about region coding. Would love to move to Japan, since they still love physical media there and usually get cool releases that nobody else gets.
02-22-18, 09:39 AM
#4998
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
The chance of moving to another country is another consideration- if that ever comes up (and that IS something I'd like to do someday, though I don't know how possible it is) I'll have to prioritize which of my digital movies I'm going to watch before leaving. I can take all my discs with me, don't even need to worry about region coding. Would love to move to Japan, since they still love physical media there and usually get cool releases that nobody else gets.
02-22-18, 10:55 AM
#4999
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
Apparently Flixster is shutting down for good today.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/20/1...ice-shuts-down
I checked my email and I only have an initial email from them when I signed-up and nothing after.
If Flixster is going belly-up, how safe is Vudu? Everything is safe and sound until the company decides maintaining your library is no longer economically viable.
Maybe I'm just old-school but I don't really care to sign-up for yet another site and chase-down my library hoping they still exist. Since they didn't send me an email, am I still in their system? Who knows?
Going forward, I think I'll continue getting up off my ass and reaching all the way over to my bookshelf, open a nice case with colourful artwork and a shiny disc. Pop the disc into a player and watch a movie.
https://www.theverge.com/2018/2/20/1...ice-shuts-down
I checked my email and I only have an initial email from them when I signed-up and nothing after.
If Flixster is going belly-up, how safe is Vudu? Everything is safe and sound until the company decides maintaining your library is no longer economically viable.
Maybe I'm just old-school but I don't really care to sign-up for yet another site and chase-down my library hoping they still exist. Since they didn't send me an email, am I still in their system? Who knows?
Going forward, I think I'll continue getting up off my ass and reaching all the way over to my bookshelf, open a nice case with colourful artwork and a shiny disc. Pop the disc into a player and watch a movie.
02-22-18, 01:45 PM
#5000
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder
UltraViolet is basically down to the good graces of VUDU. Movies Anywhere has come in and made VUDU little more than an also-ran now that Amazon and iTunes are in the Movies Anywhere business.
Streaming people won't like hearing this but I don't think VUDU will be in business by 2021. If you understand Walmart and how they operate in new market spaces, they may dump VUDU or simply shut it down in a few years.
Streaming people won't like hearing this but I don't think VUDU will be in business by 2021. If you understand Walmart and how they operate in new market spaces, they may dump VUDU or simply shut it down in a few years.
