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Old 02-09-17, 05:09 PM
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by milo bloom
I wonder, how do the sales of DVDs in gas stations/convenience stores factor into these places? I'm pretty sure most of them are used and re-sealed, but I could see some of them being overstock from other places. How are they counted?
Movie releases from the studios are counted through all distribution channels. The various unions working in Hollywood have sued the studios to keep very accurate sales counts of each movie they release. It's one of the few honest numbers in Hollywood accounting.
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Originally Posted by orangerunner
I agree 50,000 would be a big stretch in today's market but an example would be a title like Anchor Bay's "Manhunter" Limited Edition which was numbered up to 100,000 (I had #56,000) which wasn't a hugely popular title even back when it was released in the early 2000s.

The title was shipped-out to multiple bricks & mortar stores throughout the US and Canada and they presumably sold.
Holy cow, 100,000 units of Manhunter?? I'll bet this bad Larry didn't even sell 5,000:

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Originally Posted by PerryD
But take something like "As Good As It Gets" that was released via Twilight Time and struggled to sell 3000 units over the course of 2 to 3 years. But if Sony were to contract a Valentine's Day promotion display at Wal-Mart, it could easily sell 20,000 units in a couple weeks time frame considering there are some 5000 locations in the US, and a display could hold 10 units of each movie. Catalog titles kind of need a purpose when they are reissued to move the units (related sequels, patriotic holidays, etc)
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You're dreaming, man. Just because a store shelf can hold 10 copies doesn't mean it will sell 10 copies... or any, even with a holiday promotion.
"As Good As It Gets" is one of those movies that nobody really gives a shit about anymore. It's sort fallen into the pop culture background noise. The best it can probably hope for is that someone might watch it if it's on cable or Netflix. You might have, literally, fifteen people who might see it on a Valentine's Day display and say "Holy shit! As Good As It Gets on blu-ray!" and buy it.

Hell, someone could give me that movie for free and it would jus end up sitting in a storage bin unopened until I gave it away or took it to a used bookstore to sell.
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People might pay more attention to it when it's sequel comes out; As Good As It Gets 2: The Worsening!
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Originally Posted by orangerunner
I think the sales of DVDs in the early days was just people impulsively getting caught-up in new tech.

A lot of new tech came out and was suddenly affordable in the early 2000s.
Suddenly everyone had to own a DVD player, laptop, color printer, MP3 player, digital camera etc.

I think eventually people settle down and re-evaluate things. Do I really need to own all of these movies & TV shows?
That's been my line of thinking as well. DVDs were something new, everyone wanted to get in on it, then eventually lost interest and start paying attention to something else. If even if the format war and recession hadn’t occurred, I think the interest the general public showed was probably fleeting, as all the charts I’ve seen showed disc sales started going down around ‘06.

Your re-evaluation point (that’s a good way of looking at thinning one’s collection; I never thought of it in those terms), that’s in practice even with us film buffs. How many posters on here have said something to the extent of “I looked at my collection, realized it was full of stuff I would never watch, and start dumping titles?”

My other thought is that nowadays there's a minimalist trend going on where your living space is supposed to be perfect, sterile and contains zero unnecessary clutter or individual personality. Physical media does not align with this trend.
There always seems to be a minimalist trend somewhere. Damn hippies.

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Originally Posted by slop101
People might pay more attention to it when it's sequel comes out; As Good As It Gets 2: The Worsening!
As Good As It Gets 2: Not Really As Good
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As Good As It Gets 2: Not Really As Good
The obvious title would be: As Good As It Gets 2: Gettin' Gooder
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

As Good As It Gets 2: Let the Good Times Roll
As Good As It Gets 2: Got to Admit It's Getting Better

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No, no, no, you're all wrong.

As Good as it Gets 2: Gettin' Good Boogaloo
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Netflix largely replaced the demand from frequent movie consumers.

I think Hollywood already regrets letting Netflix gain traction in the marketplace.
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Interesting graph in Variety.




Disney is doing well and Universal is doing ok. The others are really struggling.

http://variety.com/2017/voices/colum...nt-1201980728/
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Originally Posted by WeeBey
Interesting graph in Variety.




Disney is doing well and Universal is doing ok. The others are really struggling.

http://variety.com/2017/voices/colum...nt-1201980728/
Given the product that each studio offers they seem to be doing about equal.
Disney will always be ahead of the pack with animation, Star Wars and Marvel.
Universal and WB seem to be where the average should be
Lionsgate doesn't have anything anybody wants
MGM/UA can barely be called a studio
Paramount no longer really participates in home video

The only info that really matters in that graph is how well Universal and WB are doing. The other studios' numbers are squewd(sp?) because of product offered.
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I wonder if "franchises" will be the wave of media future.

Disney had Disney animation, Star Wars, and Marvel. They're doing one Star Wars film per year, a Star Wars tv series, three Marvel films per year, and one Marvel series.

Warners has DC Comics and Harry Potter. Looks like two DC films per year, numerous DC series (everything on WB, Gotham, Lucifer, iZombie, Preacher), and, for now, a Wizarding World every two years.

Paramount has Star Trek, which they can't seem to make work despite their high pop culture profile. And Transformers, which is sort of popular but doesn't seem to have a lot of enthusiasm.

Universal has the Universal Monsters that they're trying to franchise.

LG had Twilight and Hunger Games, but they seem to have ended. Now they just seem to churn out b-movies.

Is MGM even an entity anymore?

No mention of Sony or Fox?

Sony has James Bond, but it doesn't seem to generate much enthusiasm.

Sony seems to be on its last legs.

Disney seems to be in a very good place. Star Wars, Marvel, and animation all seem to licenses to print money.
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Why no Fox on that graph?
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Sooo...is physical media going away....? Or DVD for that matter?
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by slop101
Why no Fox on that graph?
From what the accompanying article says, they don't break out information granularly enough in their financials to do that.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Lionsgate and MGM are always struggling unless they get lucky with a hit movie. Many don't even consider them important studios.

Fox would likely end up somewhere in size most years around WB and Universal in that graph. Checking a random year like 2015, Fox's box office gross nearly doubled WB's box office.
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Does MGM even make movies these days? The last thing I remember their name on was the Hobbit films, and even then those were made by New Line and MGM just got their name grandfathered on by contractual obligation. I think most of their output over the last ten years has been co-produced by another studio, or they just distributed films by other producers.
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Well, at least the numbers have been consistent this year...
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If we don't see a green arrow when Moana comes out, it will be time to panic.
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Not really. Been the same for a long time now.
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Re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Yeah, its been the same for a couple of years now. DVD outsells Blue ray by about 2 to 1, and overall sales trending down for both formats.
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Yeah, its been the same for a couple of years now. DVD outsells Blu-ray by about 2 to 1, and overall sales trending down for both formats.
4573 posts in this thread, and you summarize them in two sentences.
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I looked back in this thread, it is uncommon for every week in January to be down. This might be the first time it has ever happened, as far as I can tell.

It would also be unusual for a successful Disney flick to not sell like hot cakes on disc so I would, in fact, be surprised if Moana doesn't result in green arrows. It would indicate the floor have fallen from underneath discs.

But, like I said, I expect Moana to do well.

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