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Old 05-05-16, 01:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Adam Tyner
I don't buy that logic. I have friends and family who cannot discern the difference between DVD and Blu-ray, and you wouldn't have to look very hard on this forum to find scores of people arguing the same. I have family who can't tell the difference between stretched standard definition television and HD cable channels. Does that mean HD cannot be a big deal because they would've been more impressed?

It's a point on a graph. One individual person who is impressed signifies nothing. One individual person who is not impressed signifies nothing. Unless you're talking about yourself, of course, and then it matters since your eyeballs, your ears, and the money coming out of your pocket understandably matter more to you than what anyone else says.

I know people like that and it's not that they're blind or deaf or whatever - they're just not into media like us nerds are. It's not their hobby of interest. To them "good enough" is good enough. Cost can also figure into the whole equation, as well.
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Originally Posted by bruceames
Huh?! Didn't you read what I just wrote? Seating distance does not matter with UHD.

For example: do you have to sit close to 3D to see the difference between 2D and 3D? High dynamic range can be appreciated from any (reasonable) distance just like 3D can.
No, distance absolutely matters when talking about resolution (pixels per-inch), and 3D has nothing to do with it.

Take an extreme example, do you honestly think someone sitting 100 feet away from a 50" screen is going to notice a difference in resolution. Even if they have 20/20 vision, they probably won't even be able to tell 480 apart from 1080? As far as "dynamic range" that deteriorates with every foot you're from the screen as well.
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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
I know people like that and it's not that they're blind or deaf or whatever - they're just not into media like us nerds are. It's not their hobby of interest. To them "good enough" is good enough. Cost can also figure into the whole equation, as well.
It's a little bit like listening to gearheads go on about power-to-weight ratio, horsepower, ft/lbs of torque, 1/4 mile times, gear ratios etc.

The average guy who doesn't care about such things and thinks their 2002 Honda Civic is "good enough" is not wrong.
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Originally Posted by slop101
No, distance absolutely matters when talking about resolution (pixels per-inch), and 3D has nothing to do with it....
Correct. Most people sit roughly 10' away from a screen and this graph is a fair assessment of when image resolution matters:



I apologize if I am not using the right acronyms for the new format but I have indeed compared a couple of new high definition discs to their blu-ray counterparts on a 65' Samsung display. There is little doubt that it produces a beautiful image, however, that doesn't change my opinion that there is no reason for me to upgrade. The chart indicates that if you are sitting more than 6' away and have a 50" display, 4K Ultra HD resolution is not worth it. Why? Because your eyes won't be able to tell the difference.

This may be sacrilege, but for me, sound is of far less importance. It is largely dictated by room acoustics and I believe you can achieve a more than adequate aural experience at a fraction of what many audiophiles dump into their set-ups. Sound matters when it is really bad but for most, the visual upgrade trumps audio save for the most particular audiophiles.

Graph was taken from the website rtings.com and I believe it is in line with much of what I have read regarding proper viewing distance and screen resolution.

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Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
I know people like that and it's not that they're blind or deaf or whatever - they're just not into media like us nerds are. It's not their hobby of interest. To them "good enough" is good enough. Cost can also figure into the whole equation, as well.
Exactly, and that's been the point all along. I don't begrudge anyone wanting to upgrade to 4K Ultra HD or whatever they call it... Personally, I and many more like me have simply reached a point of diminishing returns. My needs are satisfied by Blu-ray disc. So for those who have the desire to upgrade, have at it. But don't try to tell me something exists that I simply do not see.

Back in my DVD days, I replaced many Sony DVDs with the "Superbit" titles. The differences were negligible but off I trudged to add these superior new discs to my collection—rubbish—for the most part, it was nothing more than marketing the same titles in shiny metallic slipcases.. I see this new format largely as yet another ingenious way to get us to buy the same damn thing again and again and again. Nope, I'm not biting.

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Originally Posted by slop101
No, distance absolutely matters when talking about resolution (pixels per-inch), and 3D has nothing to do with it.

Take an extreme example, do you honestly think someone sitting 100 feet away from a 50" screen is going to notice a difference in resolution. Even if they have 20/20 vision, they probably won't even be able to tell 480 apart from 1080? As far as "dynamic range" that deteriorates with every foot you're from the screen as well.
So that's your basic problem right there. You are equating the UHD upgrade with resolution.

UHD BD is an upgrade with 4 different components. Resolution is only one of them and it's only on a minority of titles. The other three components, each of which are more noticeable, do not depend on sitting closer to appreciate them.
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Originally Posted by AaronSch
Correct. Most people sit roughly 10' away from a screen and this graph is a fair assessment of when image resolution matters:


I'm well aware of that graph, which is calibrated to 20/20 vision. But that only applies to resolution. Again, resolution is only one component of the UHD upgrade, and it is the least noticeable upgrade.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this to get it through some people's heads. There is far more to UHD than just resolution.
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Originally Posted by bruceames
I don't know how many times I have to repeat this to get it through some people's heads. There is far more to UHD than just resolution.
And I don't know how many times people have to repeat it for you to get it - it doesn't matter... UHD BD will be a niche... most people don't care about the extra resolution or HDR or anything else. It will have an even smaller marketshare than BD. Guaranteed.
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Originally Posted by bruceames
I'm well aware of that graph, which is calibrated to 20/20 vision. But that only applies to resolution. Again, resolution is only one component of the UHD upgrade, and it is the least noticeable upgrade.

I don't know how many times I have to repeat this to get it through some people's heads. There is far more to UHD than just resolution.
For most of us, even the widened color palette won't matter much when you are sitting the proper distance from the screen. People far brighter than you and I have already established that. The audio is of little consequence. The audio quality on most Blu-ray discs is far better than most home sound systems can properly generate. I submit to you that if audio was the only upgrade it would have been dead already. So, there you go. No sale.

As was stated previously, cost is another matter. I'm done upgrading. However, if this format is around in 5 years I may buy my first used disc.

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And I don't know how many times people have to repeat it for you to get it - it doesn't matter... UHD BD will be a niche... most people don't care about the extra resolution or HDR or anything else. It will have an even smaller marketshare than BD. Guaranteed.
So you were using the parameter that really doesn't matter (resolution), to justify why it won't matter, while ignoring everything else? That's really smart thinking there.
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Originally Posted by AaronSch
Even the widened color palette doesn't matter when you are sitting the proper distance from the screen. People far brighter than you and I have already established that. The audio is of little consequence. The audio quality on most Blu-ray discs is far better than most home sound systems can properly generate. I submit to you that if audio was the only upgrade it would have been dead already. So, there you go. No sale.
Congratulations. You figured it all out. And here are all these owners, not knowing that this big upgrade that they have been seeing is a mirage and the non-owners were right all along. They could have saved themselves the money and the trouble. Good job.
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Originally Posted by orangerunner
It's a little bit like listening to gearheads go on about power-to-weight ratio, horsepower, ft/lbs of torque, 1/4 mile times, gear ratios etc.

The average guy who doesn't care about such things and thinks their 2002 Honda Civic is "good enough" is not wrong.

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Originally Posted by bruceames
Congratulations. You figured it all out. And here are all these owners, not knowing that this big upgrade that they have been seeing is a mirage and the non-owners were right all along. They could have saved themselves the money and the trouble. Good job.
Look, it simply doesn't matter to me. Many people buy a new iphone because its the latest and greatest (but does the same damn thing as the current model). They buy new cars when they are neck deep in debt and already own a perfectly good one. People rationalize all kinds of purchases. These things mattered to me when I was younger. I am far older and wiser now. When I compared a couple of blu-ray and 4K discs recently, I did not find the difference earth-shattering and I was standing fairly close. Your perception is obviously different—fine. I'm not saying there wasn't a difference, I'm saying it wasn't enough to matter to me and I doubt it will matter to the majority of packaged media buyers—those who are still left. I don't begrudge your enthusiasm but I've been down the upgrade path far too many times and this one simply isn't a big enough benefit to get me to open my wallet and spend the dough. I am more than satisfied with the image and audio produced by blu-ray discs. Seriously, If I end up buying an HDR certified 4K display and the players are available for around $100 then I might dip my toes in the water. But I just don't see myself diving in...

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I already said that I am not upgrading to 4k at a clip like some of the folks with unlimited funds are. Fuck that. I went through LD/DVD/HD-DVD/BD - I said fuck 3-D and never got a TV set. I adore my Plasma television and it's going strong. I don't have an Atmos receiver either or a 7.1 set-up, but that's totally ok. I have an awesome 5.1 system and my Onkyo receiver has a built-in amp that rocks for vinyl records payback. I am not going to go out of pocket for all of these upgrades that won't revolutionize my life in any way.

By that same token - yeah, since plasma is gone - I will probably replace my television with a 4K set when the time comes. My plasma should give me a few more years of enjoyment. As far as my BD players go - I have a PS4 and if that stops working, well I will have to get another PS4. I'm not going to fork over $400 additional dollars for a Samsung UHD payer that still has quirks and is the only one on the market right now. The same goes with my receiver. I'll get an ATMOS at some point along with the two additional speakers for required ATMOS playback but I'm not going to actively do that anytime soon.

It's all about priorities and if you have the fundage then go for it but don't talk down to folks that are not interested or have the means to acquire new gear.

Believe me, sometimes good enough is fucking just good enough. The world isn't going to end if we don't get the latest and greatest new gear immediately.
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This thread has been a very entertaining read for moi. Everyone has a valid argument which makes it so fun.
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Originally Posted by davidlynchfan
This thread has been a very entertaining read for moi. Everyone has a valid argument which makes it so fun.
LOL Yes, it does get a bit dramatic!

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Look, it simply doesn't matter to me. Many people buy a new iphone because its the latest and greatest (but does the same damn thing as the current model). They buy new cars when they are neck deep in debt and already own a perfectly good one. People rationalize all kinds of purchases. These things mattered to me when I was younger. I am far older and wiser now. When I compared a couple of blu-ray and 4K discs recently, I did not find the difference earth-shattering and I was standing fairly close. Your perception is obviously different—fine. I'm not saying there wasn't a difference, I'm saying it wasn't enough to matter to me and I doubt it will matter to the majority of packaged media buyers—those who are still left. I don't begrudge your enthusiasm but I've been down the upgrade path far too many times and this one simply isn't a big enough benefit to get me to open my wallet and spend the dough. I am more than satisfied with the image and audio produced by blu-ray discs. Seriously, If I end up buying an HDR certified 4K display and the players are available for around $100 then I might dip my toes in the water. But I just don't see myself diving in...
Fair enough.
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Bill Hunt sure has been very impressed with UHD BD so far.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/050416_1600
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Originally Posted by bruceames
Bill Hunt sure has been very impressed with UHD BD so far.

http://www.thedigitalbits.com/column...ts/050416_1600
Thanks for the link. However, I interpreted it a bit differently. Though he certainly extols the virtues of UHD, he states plainly, "...It’s so thrilling, in fact, that there’s a moment now, whenever I switch back to watching regular Blu-ray, that I keenly miss HDR. Of course, then I get engrossed in whatever I’m watching and it doesn’t matter. " It doesn't matter? Well, that just about sums up how I feel about the new format. It's not worth that "moment."

It also appears he is resigned to the fact that packaged media is an industry in decline. And it's about as blunt as he's ever been regarding this issue when he states, "..The major studio home video operations just aren’t interested in playing small ball anymore, or targeting a niche audience. I’ll be honest: This is has me worried for the future of physical media… and the Ultra HD Blu-ray format.."

I'm used to hearing him debate the issue fervently in favor of physical media. That article sounds like someone who has resigned himself to the inevitable. It takes a lot for a guy who is truly enmeshed in the industry to admit he has doubts about its survival. That actually made me depressed.

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Updated thru week ending 4/23/16
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)

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Week Date      OD     OD YoY      DVD    DVD YoY       BD    BD YoY  BD Share  TBO2015 TBO2014

2016 HMM    1687.07    -7.2%    1067.28   -13.6%     619.80    6.2%    36.7%    4044.8  3298.5

16  4/23      84.07     4.5%      52.84    -8.3%      31.23   37.0%    37.1 %    224.9    91.7
15  4/16      89.59    17.2%      53.25    -2.1%      36.34   64.8%    40.6 %     26.6    43.1
14  4/9      157.80    90.2%      64.26     9.0%      93.54  289.4%    59.3 %    937.2     7.8

Q1   HMM    1355.61   -14.1%     896.93   -15.7%     458.69  -10.9%    33.8%    2856.1  3156.0

13  4/2       91.71   -39.0%      61.35   -38.2%      30.35  -40.5%    33.1 %    118.1   333.7
12  3/26     145.35     0.1%      93.05     2.4%      52.30   -3.8%    36.0 %    433.8   498.8
11  3/19     112.95     0.7%      76.44    -0.2%      36.52    2.7%    32.3 %    294.4   260.6
10  3/12      99.52   -16.8%      68.43   -15.6%      31.08  -19.3%    31.2 %    162.6   114.5
9   3/5       86.02   -38.5%      60.05   -34.3%      25.97  -46.3%    30.2 %    184.1   350.9
8   2/27     106.70   -29.5%      71.62   -24.7%      35.08  -37.7%    32.9 %    186.8   303.2
7   2/20      98.44   -18.9%      69.29   -15.6%      29.15  -25.9%    29.6 %    101.2   218.7
6   2/13     122.01    -5.6%      79.65   -12.7%      42.36   11.3%    34.7 %    265.7   126.4
5   2/6      102.48   -15.3%      66.32   -21.2%      36.17   -1.7%    35.3 %    123.0   182.6
4   1/30      99.47   -10.2%      66.32   -11.6%      33.15   -7.1%    33.3 %     97.3   192.7
3   1/23     101.43     1.1%      63.96    -7.1%      37.47   19.2%    36.9 %    302.3   273.7
2   1/16     100.71    12.1%      62.20    -4.4%      38.52   55.4%    38.2 %    448.4   201.4
1   1/9       88.82     0.9%      58.25    -8.5%      30.57   25.4%    34.4 %    138.3    98.7

2015 HMM    5951.72   -12.1%    3947.01   -15.1%    2004.75   -5.4%    33.7%   10548.9 10507.6

Q4   HMM    2120.41    -6.6%    1312.11   -14.9%     808.32   11.2%    38.1%    3308.0  3199.3

52  1/2      122.55     1.1%      76.23    -9.2%      46.32   24.1%    37.8 %    109.1   103.7
51  12/26    278.08     5.8%     170.80    -6.4%     107.28   33.3%    38.6 %    105.5     7.1
50  12/19    265.13   -13.5%     159.63   -22.9%     105.50    5.9%    39.8 %    417.3   343.8
49  12/12    215.99   -13.0%     128.33   -20.5%      87.66    1.0%    40.6 %    532.3   410.0
48  12/5     167.01   -17.8%     108.97   -21.9%      58.04   -8.9%    34.8 %     19.5   291.0
47  11/28    292.88   -11.2%     191.68   -15.3%     101.20   -2.3%    34.6 %     87.9   165.5
46  11/21    101.56   -21.3%      66.89   -26.6%      34.68   -8.4%    34.1 %     52.6   324.7
45  11/14    109.57   -20.8%      69.83   -22.8%      39.74  -17.1%    36.3 %    230.6   391.6
44  11/7     127.41    -1.2%      77.03    -7.4%      50.38   10.2%    39.5 %    419.7   408.6
43  10/31    101.99    14.7%      65.10    -2.2%      36.90   65.0%    36.2 %    217.9    65.1
42  10/24    132.34    41.4%      68.00     1.9%      64.34  139.6%    48.6 %    697.0   157.5
41  10/17    106.67    -5.0%      63.65   -12.6%      43.02    9.2%    40.3 %    290.2   347.5
40  10/10     99.23    -6.7%      65.97    -7.0%      33.26   -6.2%    33.5 %    128.4   183.4

Q3   HMM    1147.35   -13.2%     793.83   -15.3%     353.52   -8.1%    30.8%    2299.4  2295.6

39  10/3     115.56     1.4%      71.34    -3.4%      44.22   10.3%    38.3 %    650.1   278.5
38  9/26      94.73    -2.5%      61.87   -11.4%      32.86   20.1%    34.7 %    184.7   156.0
37  9/19     120.04    -0.2%      69.38   -14.0%      50.66   28.0%    42.2 %    582.4   391.7
36  9/12      79.80   -28.5%      58.35   -20.4%      21.45  -44.0%    26.9 %     43.9   285.5
35  9/5       88.23    -0.7%      61.12   -10.2%      27.11   30.7%    30.7 %    163.6    40.0
34  8/29      73.03   -25.3%      54.90   -23.7%      18.12  -29.9%    24.8 %     27.8    66.3
33  8/22      75.79   -26.7%      56.68   -20.0%      19.12  -41.2%    25.2 %      7.8   217.1
32  8/15      78.42   -21.4%      58.56   -19.0%      19.85  -27.6%    25.3 %     67.1    93.1
31  8/8       92.02   -17.7%      64.19   -18.5%      27.83  -15.9%    30.2 %    166.8   283.1
30  8/1       86.59   -14.0%      60.24   -17.8%      26.35   -3.9%    30.4 %    181.8   187.2
29  7/25      76.44   -23.6%      55.78   -24.6%      20.66  -20.7%    27.0 %      3.7   147.7
28  7/18      91.34    -5.5%      63.42    -9.0%      27.93    3.6%    30.6 %    184.7   134.7
27  7/11      75.36    -5.9%      58.00    -4.7%      17.36   -9.7%    23.0 %     34.9    14.6

Q2   HMM     1105.9   -20.0%     776.74   -19.3%     329.15  -21.7%    29.8%    1763.1  1836.5

26  7/4       80.04   -10.1%      59.99    -9.6%      20.05  -11.6%    25.0 %    115.1     4.7
25  6/27      76.22   -21.3%      56.18   -16.9%      20.04  -31.5%    26.3 %      0.1   121.6
24  6/20      96.47   -18.9%      64.82   -15.8%      31.65  -24.5%    32.8 %    100.5   317.6
23  6/13      90.01   -21.9%      61.54   -19.8%      28.47  -26.0%    31.6 %    185.5   145.4
22  6/6       97.72   -12.0%      65.23   -11.7%      32.49  -12.6%    33.2 %    308.9   243.4
21  5/30      83.37     0.7%      58.42    -3.7%      24.95   12.7%    29.9 %     23.6    23.6
20  5/23      75.28   -15.7%      55.22   -13.6%      20.06  -20.9%    26.6 %    375.9   189.1
19  5/16      86.81     2.2%      60.42    -2.7%      26.39   15.3%    30.4 %     34.3    72.1
18  5/9      100.88    10.2%      66.77    -0.7%      34.11   40.2%    33.8 %    251.6     5.7
17  5/2       79.35   -10.8%      57.24   -12.2%      22.11   -6.8%    27.9 %    225.1    51.6
16  4/25      80.42   -10.4%      57.62   -11.9%      22.80   -6.5%    28.4 %     91.6     0.1
15  4/18      76.44   -56.7%      54.38   -55.8%      22.06  -58.7%    28.9 %     43.1   296.7
14  4/11      82.89   -44.1%      58.91   -37.0%      23.97  -56.2%    28.9 %      7.8   365.0

Q1   HMM    1578.06   -12.1%    1064.33   -11.9%     513.76  -12.4%    32.6%    3178.4  3176.1

13  4/4      150.33    10.2%      99.28     9.4%      51.05   11.8%    34.0 %    332.0   165.9
12  3/28     145.19    -3.0%      90.83    -9.0%      54.36    9.1%    37.4 %    498.8   187.9
11  3/21     112.10   -53.7%      76.52   -45.3%      35.58  -65.1%    31.7 %    260.4   643.5
10  3/14     119.66   -11.6%      81.16   -13.1%      38.50   -8.3%    32.2 %    113.4    66.6
9   3/7      139.83    -1.7%      91.54   -14.1%      48.29  -18.6%    34.5 %    350.9   490.2
8   2/28     151.40    -2.6%      95.11    -3.3%      56.32   -1.4%    37.2 %    303.3   506.5
7   2/21     120.65    -5.2%      82.04    -7.6%      38.61    0.3%    32.0 %    216.5     0.2
6   2/14     129.22   -17.1%      91.16   -18.0%      38.06  -12.9%    29.5 %    126.3   162.8
5   2/7      120.93     3.2%      84.14    -0.7%      36.79   13.4%    30.4 %    184.4   147.1
4   1/31     110.66     0.4%      75.00    -3.0%      35.67    8.3%    32.2 %    192.8   319.5
3   1/24     100.24     4.2%      68.82    -1.4%      31.43   18.8%    31.4 %    273.7   196.0
2   1/17      89.84   -15.3%      65.07   -14.6%      24.76  -17.2%    27.6 %    201.2   261.7
1   1/10      87.99   -10.9%      63.66   -11.4%      24.34   -9.5%    27.7 %    124.8    28.2

2014 HMM    6783.24   -10.1%    4661.69   -11.0%    2121.58   -7.9%    31.3%   10450.6 10589.2

Q4   HMM    2267.71   -14.1%    1540.94   -13.0%     726.79  -16.4%    32.0%    3157.4  3445.0

52  1/3      121.21    -4.4%      83.90    -6.1%      37.31   -0.5%    30.8 %    103.7    24.5
51  12/27    263.04    -3.6%     182.27    -3.0%      80.77   -4.8%    30.7 %      7.1    83.9
50  12/20    306.48   -20.8%     206.91   -21.0%      99.57  -20.5%    32.5 %    343.4   406.9
49  12/13    248.11   -24.8%     161.33   -20.5%      86.78  -31.7%    35.0 %    409.4   618.1
48  12/6     203.22   -11.9%     139.51    -8.0%      63.71  -19.3%    31.4 %    291.0   235.1
47  11/29    329.76   -11.5%     226.35   -10.7%     103.42  -13.4%    31.4 %    165.5    80.0
46  11/22    128.77   -17.6%      90.97   -14.0%      37.81  -25.2%    29.4 %    324.7   354.1
45  11/15    138.26    -8.0%      90.36    -4.8%      47.90  -13.5%    34.6 %    391.5   380.3
44  11/8     128.78     2.9%      83.10    -5.6%      45.68   22.9%    35.5 %    408.5   209.3
43  11/1      88.60   -31.4%      66.32   -24.2%      22.28  -46.6%    25.1 %     65.1   302.2
42  10/25     93.20   -14.2%      66.38   -15.6%      26.82  -10.5%    28.8 %    157.1   212.5
41  10/18    112.00   -14.9%      72.69   -17.5%      39.31   -9.5%    35.1 %    347.4   293.7
40  10/11    106.28   -10.8%      70.85   -12.9%      35.43   -6.1%    33.3 %    182.9   244.6

Q3   HMM    1320.38    -8.6%     935.73    -8.5%     384.66   -9.1%    29.1%    2295.1  2305.5

39  10/4     113.89   -18.5%      73.80   -12.6%      40.09  -27.5%    35.2 %    278.5   288.6
38  9/27      97.15   -22.7%      69.79   -11.9%      27.37  -41.1%    28.2 %    155.7   414.8
37  9/20     120.20     5.5%      80.61     2.8%      39.59   11.5%    32.9 %    391.2   213.6
36  9/13     111.46   -16.0%      73.15   -14.5%      38.31  -18.7%    34.4 %    285.5   239.8
35  9/6       88.74   -18.9%      68.01   -17.8%      20.73  -22.1%    23.4 %     40.0   123.9
34  8/30      97.67   -16.3%      71.81   -15.8%      25.85  -17.5%    26.5 %     67.6   197.5
33  8/23     103.27     0.9%      70.74    -7.8%      32.53   27.1%    31.5 %    217.1   146.6
32  8/16      99.46    -2.2%      72.02    -4.6%      27.44    4.9%    27.6 %     93.1   130.3
31  8/9      111.46     4.8%      78.38     4.2%      33.08    6.2%    29.7 %    283.2   136.9
30  8/2      100.58    -3.3%      73.19    -2.7%      27.40   -4.7%    27.2 %    187.2   125.4
29  7/26      99.91     8.7%      73.88     3.1%      26.03   28.5%    26.1 %    147.6     3.9
28  7/19      96.55    -5.0%      69.59    -8.5%      26.96    5.5%    27.9 %    133.9   159.9
27  7/12      80.04   -19.4%      60.76   -20.2%      19.28  -16.8%    24.1 %     14.6   124.3

Q2   HMM    1381.45    -1.7%     961.09    -5.7%     420.37    8.6%    30.4%    1833.8  1735.1

26  7/5       88.88   -11.2%      66.22   -15.0%      22.66    2.3%    25.5 %      4.6     1.1
25  6/28      96.64    -0.7%      67.38    -8.4%      29.26   23.1%    30.3 %    121.6    78.1
24  6/21     118.84     8.1%      76.92    -2.9%      41.93   36.6%    35.3 %    316.3   135.0
23  6/14     115.15   -21.0%      76.72   -21.8%      38.43  -19.4%    33.4 %    144.9   334.5
22  6/7      110.91    -9.8%      73.74   -15.1%      37.17    3.0%    33.5 %    243.4   325.5
21  5/31      82.78   -10.1%      60.65   -12.9%      22.12   -1.4%    26.7 %     23.6    18.4
20  5/24      89.23   -13.7%      63.85   -15.3%      25.38   -9.3%    28.4 %    189.1    84.8
19  5/17      84.90   -11.9%      62.00   -12.3%      22.89  -10.9%    27.0 %     72.1    61.8
18  5/10      91.35   -22.5%      67.02   -19.8%      24.33  -29.0%    26.6 %      5.7   223.5
17  5/3       88.49   -15.2%      64.85   -14.1%      23.65  -18.2%    26.7 %     51.6   189.7
16  4/26      89.68   -11.1%      65.32   -10.6%      24.37  -12.3%    27.2 %      0.1   113.5
15  4/19     176.28    56.2%     122.89    54.5%      53.39   60.3%    30.3 %    295.8   162.8
14  4/12     148.32    45.2%      93.53    23.4%      54.79  108.0%    36.9 %    365.0     6.4

Q1   HMM    1813.70   -11.6%    1223.93   -14.2%     589.76   -5.7%    32.5%    3164.4  3103.6

13  4/5      136.35     6.0%      90.67    -1.5%      45.68   24.8%    33.5 %    165.9     0.4
12  3/29     149.53   -32.9%      99.72   -35.3%      49.81  -27.6%    33.3 %    187.8   297.1
11  3/22     241.91    18.3%     139.92    11.3%     101.98   29.5%    42.2 %    641.1   618.9
10  3/15     145.68   -10.9%     101.76    -8.6%      43.92  -15.8%    30.1 %     66.6   247.4
9   3/8      165.48   -15.3%     106.21   -20.7%      59.26   -3.4%    35.8 %    488.3   257.6
8   3/1      155.39   -12.4%      98.31   -23.9%      57.09   18.3%    36.7 %    503.8   315.7
7   2/22     127.22   -19.7%      88.74   -16.0%      38.47  -27.0%    30.2 %      0.2   247.3
6   2/15     155.64   -20.7%     111.97   -15.2%      43.67  -31.9%    28.1 %    162.8   368.9
5   2/8      117.08   -18.4%      84.67   -18.6%      32.41  -17.9%    27.7 %    144.0   171.1
4   2/1      118.53    -4.5%      84.08    -5.7%      34.46   -1.4%    29.1%     318.9   221.4
3   1/25      96.17    -7.9%      69.76   -11.4%      26.41    2.7%    27.5%     195.3    47.0
2   1/18     106.11   -10.2%      76.19   -11.5%      29.92   -6.8%    28.2%     261.6   213.6
1   1/11      98.61   -14.2%      71.93   -15.1%      26.68  -11.8%    27.1%      28.2    97.3

2013 HMM    7539.31    -8.3%    5242.51   -13.1%    2296.82    4.9%    30.5%   10668.2 10071.3

Q4   HMM    2766.93    -9.8%    1851.78   -14.0%     915.15    0.1%    33.1%    3728.2  3249.2

53  1/4      126.71   -11.6%      89.22   -14.9%      37.49   -2.5%    29.6%      24.5    67.2
52  12/28    272.62    14.2%     187.84     9.7%      84.77   25.6%    31.1%      83.8    11.9
51  12/21    386.85    -8.2%     261.74   -14.4%     125.11    8.2%    32.3%     406.8   284.4
50  12/14    330.14    -5.5%     203.04   -15.2%     127.10   15.7%    38.5%     617.5   493.4
49  12/7     230.30   -24.6%     151.36   -22.3%      78.94  -28.7%    34.3%     235.1   586.2
48  11/30    372.25    70.3%     253.10    64.6%     119.15   83.8%    32.0%      79.9   133.4
47  11/23    156.10   -60.0%     105.57   -62.3%      50.53  -54.0%    32.4%     354.0    85.0
46  11/16    149.93   -12.3%      94.62   -18.5%      55.31    0.9%    36.9%     376.1   326.6
45  11/9     124.86    -3.7%      87.74    -6.2%      37.12    2.7%    29.7%     209.3   315.0
44  11/2     128.93     2.0%      87.22    -9.4%      41.72   38.1%    32.4%     301.9    93.5
43  10/26    108.04   -27.3%      78.18   -28.3%      29.87  -24.6%    27.6%     212.5   227.0
42  10/19    131.05    -5.6%      87.75   -11.0%      43.30    7.7%    33.0%     293.5   350.8
41  10/12    119.64   -13.2%      81.55   -11.3%      38.09  -16.9%    31.8%     244.6   181.9
40  10/5     129.51   -12.4%      82.85   -14.9%      46.65   -7.6%    36.0%     288.6    93.1

Q3   DEG    1448.64   -13.4%    1011.45   -15.4%     437.19   -8.3%    30.2% (EST)273.9   15.9%(share)
Q3   HMM    1401.22   -14.3%    1010.62   -16.4%     390.58   -8.4%    27.9%    2017.4  2145.2

39   9/28    125.64   -37.1%      79.05   -29.2%      46.59  -47.1%    37.1%     414.8   624.7
38   9/21    113.74    -4.1%      78.15   -13.1%      35.58   24.2%    31.3%     213.5   116.7
37   9/14    132.99    -1.9%      85.34   -15.8%      47.65   39.1%    35.8%     239.8   211.1
36   9/7     108.70     8.9%      80.72   -13.8%      27.98    8.9%    25.7%     123.8    46.5
35   8/31    114.52   -21.0%      84.31   -21.6%      30.21  -19.3%    26.4%     197.5   262.5
34   8/24    102.07   -29.3%      76.50   -28.1%      25.57  -32.7%    25.1%     146.4   105.5
33   8/17    101.24   -31.8%      75.14   -30.9%      26.10  -34.2%    25.8%     130.3   412.4
32   8/10    106.13    -8.3%      75.01   -13.4%      31.12    7.0%    29.3%     136.9   216.2
31   8/3     103.89    10.4%      75.15    -1.7%      28.74   62.5%    27.7%     125.4     0.1
30   7/27     91.47    -3.5%      71.25    -4.9%      20.21    1.8%    22.1%       3.9    18.5
29   7/20    101.61    -3.4%      76.01    -7.2%      25.60    9.8%    25.2%     159.9    81.0
28   7/13     99.26    -5.7%      76.13    -8.7%      23.13    6.0%    23.3%     124.3    59.6
27   7/6      99.96    -8.0%      77.86    -9.5%      22.10   -2.4%    22.1%       1.1     0.5

Q2   DEG    1457.26   -13.0%    1052.97   -16.7%     404.29   -1.5%    27.7% (EST)259.4   15.1%(share)
Q2   HMM    1432.97   -13.2%    1031.66   -17.1%     401.32   -1.3%    28.0%    1777.3  2318.0

26   6/29     97.21   -21.8%      73.46   -20.8%      23.76  -24.7%    24.4%      78.1   350.5
25   6/22    109.92    -5.8%      79.23   -10.9%      30.69   10.7%    27.9%     135.0    98.6
24   6/15    145.76   -10.6%      98.08   -15.6%      47.68    1.9%    32.7%     334.2   275.5
23   6/8     122.79   -19.0%      86.72   -18.2%      36.06  -21.0%    29.4%     325.2   374.1
22   6/1      91.91   -18.9%      69.55   -20.2%      22.36  -14.4%    24.3%      18.4    37.0
21   5/25    103.15    -6.7%      75.17   -10.1%      27.98    3.8%    27.1%      84.8   178.2
20   5/18     96.09   -12.1%      70.43   -15.0%      25.67   -3.1%    26.7%      61.8   200.1
19   5/11    117.72    -5.1%      83.48   -11.5%      34.24   15.4%    29.1%     223.5   187.5
18   5/4     104.34    -4.3%      75.45   -12.1%      28.89   24.7%    27.7%     189.5   105.0
17   4/27    100.75    -4.2%      72.97    -8.6%      27.78    9.8%    27.6%     157.3    67.9
16   4/20    112.75     1.5%      79.45    -3.3%      33.30   14.9%    29.5%     162.8   236.0
15   4/13    102.06    -6.0%      75.74   -12.1%      26.32   17.6%    25.8%       6.4    51.8
14   4/6     128.52   -36.9%      91.93   -41.8%      36.59  -20.0%    28.5%       0.4   155.8

Q1   DEG    2098.83     2.1%    1455.55    -6.7%     643.28   28.5%    30.6% (EST)231.2    9.9%(share)
Q1   HMM    2064.90     2.5%    1437.67    -6.2%     627.26   30.1%    30.4%    3169.8  2426.1

13   3/30    222.64    41.9%     153.75    26.4%      68.89   95.1%    30.9%     294.8   171.2
12   3/23    204.22    35.8%     125.59    14.6%      78.63   92.8%    38.5%     618.7   356.9
11   3/16    163.59    10.3%     111.45    -1.8%      52.15   49.6%    31.9%     244.8   279.2
10   3/9     195.09    19.0%     133.76    10.1%      61.33   44.3%    31.4%     256.6   216.0
9    3/2     177.32    15.9%     129.10    10.1%      48.23   35.0%    27.2%     315.6    82.3
8    2/23    158.25    -1.7%     105.48   -14.7%      52.77   41.6%    33.3%     251.0   274.4
7    2/16    196.00    -6.2%     131.73   -18.6%      64.27   36.6%    32.8%     368.6    16.2
6    2/9     143.36   -30.4%     103.88   -31.5%      39.48  -27.5%    27.5%     171.1   321.4
5    2/2     124.02   -15.3%      89.11   -19.9%      34.91   -0.8%    28.1%     221.2   118.7
4    1/26    104.36   -19.8%      78.68   -18.6%      25.69  -23.2%    24.6%      46.5   226.0
3    1/19    118.15    -7.3%      88.02   -14.7%      32.13   20.7%    27.2%     213.2   114.0
2    1/12    114.83    -8.9%      84.56   -13.8%      30.27    8.1%    26.4%      96.8   116.2
1    1/5     143.07     5.5%     104.56    -0.1%      38.51   24.4%    26.9%      67.2   134.3
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by AaronSch
Look, it simply doesn't matter to me. Many people buy a new iphone because its the latest and greatest (but does the same damn thing as the current model). They buy new cars when they are neck deep in debt and already own a perfectly good one. People rationalize all kinds of purchases. These things mattered to me when I was younger. I am far older and wiser now. When I compared a couple of blu-ray and 4K discs recently, I did not find the difference earth-shattering and I was standing fairly close. Your perception is obviously different—fine. I'm not saying there wasn't a difference, I'm saying it wasn't enough to matter to me and I doubt it will matter to the majority of packaged media buyers—those who are still left. I don't begrudge your enthusiasm but I've been down the upgrade path far too many times and this one simply isn't a big enough benefit to get me to open my wallet and spend the dough. I am more than satisfied with the image and audio produced by blu-ray discs. Seriously, If I end up buying an HDR certified 4K display and the players are available for around $100 then I might dip my toes in the water. But I just don't see myself diving in...
Exactly my thoughts as well. What I have seen of this UHD just doesn't make it worth it for me. It's too much money to waste on what appears to be a negligible improvement over my current setup.
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Honestly, at this point, I just don’t care about UHD. Yea, 10 years ago during the boom when HD-DVD and BD first came out, I was a little more enthusiastic about new formats. Now, as time moved on and I became a little older and wiser, I’m more annoyed than anything at the thought of a 3rd video format coming out. Maybe in a couple years, if UHD-BD is the only physical format, I’ll jump in. Until then, I just don’t care.

Originally Posted by AaronSch
Thanks for the link. However, I interpreted it a bit differently. Though he certainly extols the virtues of UHD, he states plainly, "...It’s so thrilling, in fact, that there’s a moment now, whenever I switch back to watching regular Blu-ray, that I keenly miss HDR. Of course, then I get engrossed in whatever I’m watching and it doesn’t matter. " It doesn't matter? Well, that just about sums up how I feel about the new format. It's not worth that "moment."
I had wow moments like that when I first upgraded to the HD formats. After a few years, I began noticing or feeling those moments less and less until I didn’t notice them at all and found myself no longer paying attention to THAT aspect of the presentation. I still rent DVDs from Netflix and I’m finding I never really noticed or made a conscious effort to notice or compare the PQ of the two formats. Granted, I wouldn’t be comparing the same movies, but when I would watch a DVD, I never found myself saying, “gee, this would look really good on BD” unless the DVD was non-anamorphic or a really bad transfer.
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

It's funny. This used to be an "enthusiasts" forum. But not only does there not seem to be any enthusiasm here for the latest and greatest, but it comes off more as a "disc anonymous" forum, where people share their stories of how they bought too much and how they have changed their ways. I guess not buying UHD BD goes hand in hand with that. But sooner or later you guys are going to buy in and then you'll see what I've been talking about. Seeing is believing.
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Ok, moneybags.

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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by Why So Blu?
Ok, moneybags.

Lol, this launch is easily the cheapest launch format we've ever seen (player 'only' $400, you can get an HDR TV for under $1000), even without taking inflation into account. I don't make a lot of money either, I'm probably average in that regard. But I understand that concern, just surprised that in this whole forum (which is more active than most) that (other than myself) we apparently so far have ZERO UHD BD owners.

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