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Blu-ray and DVD sales - We're number 2, but we try harder

Old 01-11-16, 11:09 AM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

It's so useless to cherry-pick examples of digital being cheaper than physical and vice versa. Sometimes one will be cheaper than the other. And if a person doesn't want to pay $15-20 to own a digital release, that's fine. Don't buy it. The industry will decide if that's the right price point based on sales.

I like packaging and I like having a physical collection, but I'll buy digital or a Mill Creek stack if it seems like a good deal to me.

Originally Posted by orangerunner
I guess a good sports-related comparison would be a huge sports fan whose favorite team has no colors and no logo to identify the team with. I feel there's more to liking a football/baseball/basketball team than simply the game itself.
If the Cubs lost their colors and logo for 2016 but kept their same players, I'd still root for them.

Originally Posted by orangerunner
Will a Spiderman #1 digital file ever have any impact on popular culture the same way a physical copy did?
What about a viral video clip?

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As a "DVD Talk Hero" with over 46,000 posts, it's odd that the packaging means nothing to you.
So because someone posts on a forum named years ago after a physical product, they're automatically a fan of packaging?
Old 01-11-16, 06:25 PM
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Looks like the decline of physical media accelerated in 2015.

According to Variety:

The studios’ primary home entertainment revenue stream continues to be the sale of discs dropped from $6.9 billion in 2014 to $6.1 billion in 2015. The rate of decline accelerated from 10.9% in 2014 to 12% last year.

Considering subscription streaming increased by a whopping 25% year over year for two consecutive years, 2016 might be the year that disc sales actually become the second biggest revenue driver in home entertainment given the current trajectory of both categories.

Disc rentals also continue to decrease, now just over $3 billion. Rate of decline isn’t as steep as disc sales, which is somewhat surprising given the troubles its biggest driver–Redbox–experienced as of late in the kiosk business.

On the digital side of the home entertainment business, both VOD and EST are contributing nearly $2 billion each to the bottom line. Propelled by the push of the early window known as Digital HD, EST registered healthy 18% growth but the rate of growth is actually down from the 30% rate from 2014.

Another digital indicator showing moderating growth for home entertainment: the number of Ultraviolet accounts grew by nearly 20%, to over 25 million. But that growth was over 30% in 2014.
Subscription streaming was a $5 billion business in 2015.
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Originally Posted by WeeBey
Looks like the decline of physical media accelerated in 2015.

According to Variety:



Subscription streaming was a $5 billion business in 2015.
I personally like the term "whopping".
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Propelled by the push of the early window known as Digital HD, EST registered healthy 18% growth
In other words, the studios' attempt to deliberately cripple physical media is working at least to some extent. How "healthy" would that growth have been without the early releases?
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Originally Posted by Coral
The attitudes of most on this forum with regards to physical media has changed a lot over the last 10 years. DVD was a HUGE upgrade to VHS and the idea of owning movies in a very convenient, high quality format was very sexy. It got addictive and really promoted the idea of collecting movies. This wasn't just limited to movie/home theatre enthusiasts, but regular Joes would also amass their own collection.

Movies were sitting on shelves collecting dust - only watched once... some never watched, and many times bought blind and immediately regretted afterwards. That's all changed. After years everyone got smart. At the height of DVDs popularity, the DVD forum had a boatload of posts and discussions - now there's not that much traffic in DVD or HD forums... and most members BD collection is MUCH smaller than when they owned DVDs. Everyone is MUCH more selective in what they buy. Streaming makes sense for most viewing.
My attitude toward buying movies has definitely changed over the last three years or so. I donít see myself as a collector (that mentality left me years ago) and, while I donít want to say I donít care about owning movies, owning movies is no longer that big of a deal to me.

Regarding downloads, I was never 100% against them, but DRM and proprietary viewing apps kept me from wadding in. Now that iTunes, Vudu, and Amazon VOD/downloads have become more mainstream, my stance has softened a lot. I also noticed the HD copies of a number of movies (mostly recent) on Amazon and Vudu really weren't that much more than the BD copy, and in some cases were a couple bucks cheaper. I also found HD copies of a couple catalog films that had no corresponding North American BD, such as Welles' The Trial, which Amazon has. In my eyes, downloads aren't looking that bad anymore.
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Originally Posted by big e
My attitude toward buying movies has definitely changed over the last three years or so. I donít see myself as a collector (that mentality left me years ago) and, while I donít want to say I donít care about owning movies, owning movies is no longer that big of a deal to me.

Regarding downloads, I was never 100% against them, but DRM and proprietary viewing apps kept me from wadding in. Now that iTunes, Vudu, and Amazon VOD/downloads have become more mainstream, my stance has softened a lot. I also noticed the HD copies of a number of movies (mostly recent) on Amazon and Vudu really weren't that much more than the BD copy, and in some cases were a couple bucks cheaper. I also found HD copies of a couple catalog films that had no corresponding North American BD, such as Welles' The Trial, which Amazon has. In my eyes, downloads aren't looking that bad anymore.
I'm okay with streaming specially with TV shows. I live in a condo and I don't have the space for a large collection. In regards to movies, I have been purchasing a few of the old Shaw Brothers movies that were never released on DVD or Blu-ray through iTunes. The only downside to these purchases are that the subtitles are really small on the TV through Apple TV.
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
In other words, the studios' attempt to deliberately cripple physical media is working at least to some extent. How "healthy" would that growth have been without the early releases?
It has certainly cut into sales for physical media. Movie fans want their new movie fix immediately and giving digital sales a headstart is intended to grow that market at the expense of physical media.
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Originally Posted by LorenzoL
I'm okay with streaming specially with TV shows. I live in a condo and I don't have the space for a large collection. In regards to movies, I have been purchasing a few of the old Shaw Brothers movies that were never released on DVD or Blu-ray through iTunes. The only downside to these purchases are that the subtitles are really small on the TV through Apple TV.
The incredibly annoying part is that when content is iTunes exclusive and you don't have an Apple TV, there isn't any damn way to play it!
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Originally Posted by Alan Smithee
In other words, the studios' attempt to deliberately cripple physical media is working at least to some extent. How "healthy" would that growth have been without the early releases?
Clearly people are willing to pay for those early digital releases, so the demand must be there.
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Updated thru week ending 1/2/16
Table of Blu-ray sales (HMM and DEG)
numbers are in (revenue) millions.
Weekly figures are from HMM (Home Media Magazine)

Code:
Week Date      OD     OD YoY      DVD    DVD YoY       BD    BD YoY  BD Share  TBO2015 TBO2014

2015 HMM    5951.72   -12.1%    3947.01   -15.1%    2004.75   -5.4%    33.7%   10548.9 10507.6

Q4   HMM    2120.41    -6.6%    1312.11   -14.9%     808.32   11.2%    38.1%    3308.0  3199.3

52  1/2      122.55     1.1%      76.23    -9.2%      46.32   24.1%    37.8 %    109.1   103.7
51  12/26    278.08     5.8%     170.80    -6.4%     107.28   33.3%    38.6 %    105.5     7.1
50  12/19    265.13   -13.5%     159.63   -22.9%     105.50    5.9%    39.8 %    417.3   343.8
49  12/12    215.99   -13.0%     128.33   -20.5%      87.66    1.0%    40.6 %    532.3   410.0
48  12/5     167.01   -17.8%     108.97   -21.9%      58.04   -8.9%    34.8 %     19.5   291.0
47  11/28    292.88   -11.2%     191.68   -15.3%     101.20   -2.3%    34.6 %     87.9   165.5
46  11/21    101.56   -21.3%      66.89   -26.6%      34.68   -8.4%    34.1 %     52.6   324.7
45  11/14    109.57   -20.8%      69.83   -22.8%      39.74  -17.1%    36.3 %    230.6   391.6
44  11/7     127.41    -1.2%      77.03    -7.4%      50.38   10.2%    39.5 %    419.7   408.6
43  10/31    101.99    14.7%      65.10    -2.2%      36.90   65.0%    36.2 %    217.9    65.1
42  10/24    132.34    41.4%      68.00     1.9%      64.34  139.6%    48.6 %    697.0   157.5
41  10/17    106.67    -5.0%      63.65   -12.6%      43.02    9.2%    40.3 %    290.2   347.5
40  10/10     99.23    -6.7%      65.97    -7.0%      33.26   -6.2%    33.5 %    128.4   183.4

Q3   HMM    1147.35   -13.2%     793.83   -15.3%     353.52   -8.1%    30.8%    2299.4  2295.6

39  10/3     115.56     1.4%      71.34    -3.4%      44.22   10.3%    38.3 %    650.1   278.5
38  9/26      94.73    -2.5%      61.87   -11.4%      32.86   20.1%    34.7 %    184.7   156.0
37  9/19     120.04    -0.2%      69.38   -14.0%      50.66   28.0%    42.2 %    582.4   391.7
36  9/12      79.80   -28.5%      58.35   -20.4%      21.45  -44.0%    26.9 %     43.9   285.5
35  9/5       88.23    -0.7%      61.12   -10.2%      27.11   30.7%    30.7 %    163.6    40.0
34  8/29      73.03   -25.3%      54.90   -23.7%      18.12  -29.9%    24.8 %     27.8    66.3
33  8/22      75.79   -26.7%      56.68   -20.0%      19.12  -41.2%    25.2 %      7.8   217.1
32  8/15      78.42   -21.4%      58.56   -19.0%      19.85  -27.6%    25.3 %     67.1    93.1
31  8/8       92.02   -17.7%      64.19   -18.5%      27.83  -15.9%    30.2 %    166.8   283.1
30  8/1       86.59   -14.0%      60.24   -17.8%      26.35   -3.9%    30.4 %    181.8   187.2
29  7/25      76.44   -23.6%      55.78   -24.6%      20.66  -20.7%    27.0 %      3.7   147.7
28  7/18      91.34    -5.5%      63.42    -9.0%      27.93    3.6%    30.6 %    184.7   134.7
27  7/11      75.36    -5.9%      58.00    -4.7%      17.36   -9.7%    23.0 %     34.9    14.6

Q2   HMM     1105.9   -20.0%     776.74   -19.3%     329.15  -21.7%    29.8%    1763.1  1836.5

26  7/4       80.04   -10.1%      59.99    -9.6%      20.05  -11.6%    25.0 %    115.1     4.7
25  6/27      76.22   -21.3%      56.18   -16.9%      20.04  -31.5%    26.3 %      0.1   121.6
24  6/20      96.47   -18.9%      64.82   -15.8%      31.65  -24.5%    32.8 %    100.5   317.6
23  6/13      90.01   -21.9%      61.54   -19.8%      28.47  -26.0%    31.6 %    185.5   145.4
22  6/6       97.72   -12.0%      65.23   -11.7%      32.49  -12.6%    33.2 %    308.9   243.4
21  5/30      83.37     0.7%      58.42    -3.7%      24.95   12.7%    29.9 %     23.6    23.6
20  5/23      75.28   -15.7%      55.22   -13.6%      20.06  -20.9%    26.6 %    375.9   189.1
19  5/16      86.81     2.2%      60.42    -2.7%      26.39   15.3%    30.4 %     34.3    72.1
18  5/9      100.88    10.2%      66.77    -0.7%      34.11   40.2%    33.8 %    251.6     5.7
17  5/2       79.35   -10.8%      57.24   -12.2%      22.11   -6.8%    27.9 %    225.1    51.6
16  4/25      80.42   -10.4%      57.62   -11.9%      22.80   -6.5%    28.4 %     91.6     0.1
15  4/18      76.44   -56.7%      54.38   -55.8%      22.06  -58.7%    28.9 %     43.1   296.7
14  4/11      82.89   -44.1%      58.91   -37.0%      23.97  -56.2%    28.9 %      7.8   365.0

Q1   HMM    1578.06   -12.1%    1064.33   -11.9%     513.76  -12.4%    32.6%    3178.4  3176.1

13  4/4      150.33    10.2%      99.28     9.4%      51.05   11.8%    34.0 %    332.0   165.9
12  3/28     145.19    -3.0%      90.83    -9.0%      54.36    9.1%    37.4 %    498.8   187.9
11  3/21     112.10   -53.7%      76.52   -45.3%      35.58  -65.1%    31.7 %    260.4   643.5
10  3/14     119.66   -11.6%      81.16   -13.1%      38.50   -8.3%    32.2 %    113.4    66.6
9   3/7      139.83    -1.7%      91.54   -14.1%      48.29  -18.6%    34.5 %    350.9   490.2
8   2/28     151.40    -2.6%      95.11    -3.3%      56.32   -1.4%    37.2 %    303.3   506.5
7   2/21     120.65    -5.2%      82.04    -7.6%      38.61    0.3%    32.0 %    216.5     0.2
6   2/14     129.22   -17.1%      91.16   -18.0%      38.06  -12.9%    29.5 %    126.3   162.8
5   2/7      120.93     3.2%      84.14    -0.7%      36.79   13.4%    30.4 %    184.4   147.1
4   1/31     110.66     0.4%      75.00    -3.0%      35.67    8.3%    32.2 %    192.8   319.5
3   1/24     100.24     4.2%      68.82    -1.4%      31.43   18.8%    31.4 %    273.7   196.0
2   1/17      89.84   -15.3%      65.07   -14.6%      24.76  -17.2%    27.6 %    201.2   261.7
1   1/10      87.99   -10.9%      63.66   -11.4%      24.34   -9.5%    27.7 %    124.8    28.2

2014 HMM    6783.24   -10.1%    4661.69   -11.0%    2121.58   -7.9%    31.3%   10450.6 10589.2

Q4   HMM    2267.71   -14.1%    1540.94   -13.0%     726.79  -16.4%    32.0%    3157.4  3445.0

52  1/3      121.21    -4.4%      83.90    -6.1%      37.31   -0.5%    30.8 %    103.7    24.5
51  12/27    263.04    -3.6%     182.27    -3.0%      80.77   -4.8%    30.7 %      7.1    83.9
50  12/20    306.48   -20.8%     206.91   -21.0%      99.57  -20.5%    32.5 %    343.4   406.9
49  12/13    248.11   -24.8%     161.33   -20.5%      86.78  -31.7%    35.0 %    409.4   618.1
48  12/6     203.22   -11.9%     139.51    -8.0%      63.71  -19.3%    31.4 %    291.0   235.1
47  11/29    329.76   -11.5%     226.35   -10.7%     103.42  -13.4%    31.4 %    165.5    80.0
46  11/22    128.77   -17.6%      90.97   -14.0%      37.81  -25.2%    29.4 %    324.7   354.1
45  11/15    138.26    -8.0%      90.36    -4.8%      47.90  -13.5%    34.6 %    391.5   380.3
44  11/8     128.78     2.9%      83.10    -5.6%      45.68   22.9%    35.5 %    408.5   209.3
43  11/1      88.60   -31.4%      66.32   -24.2%      22.28  -46.6%    25.1 %     65.1   302.2
42  10/25     93.20   -14.2%      66.38   -15.6%      26.82  -10.5%    28.8 %    157.1   212.5
41  10/18    112.00   -14.9%      72.69   -17.5%      39.31   -9.5%    35.1 %    347.4   293.7
40  10/11    106.28   -10.8%      70.85   -12.9%      35.43   -6.1%    33.3 %    182.9   244.6

Q3   HMM    1320.38    -8.6%     935.73    -8.5%     384.66   -9.1%    29.1%    2295.1  2305.5

39  10/4     113.89   -18.5%      73.80   -12.6%      40.09  -27.5%    35.2 %    278.5   288.6
38  9/27      97.15   -22.7%      69.79   -11.9%      27.37  -41.1%    28.2 %    155.7   414.8
37  9/20     120.20     5.5%      80.61     2.8%      39.59   11.5%    32.9 %    391.2   213.6
36  9/13     111.46   -16.0%      73.15   -14.5%      38.31  -18.7%    34.4 %    285.5   239.8
35  9/6       88.74   -18.9%      68.01   -17.8%      20.73  -22.1%    23.4 %     40.0   123.9
34  8/30      97.67   -16.3%      71.81   -15.8%      25.85  -17.5%    26.5 %     67.6   197.5
33  8/23     103.27     0.9%      70.74    -7.8%      32.53   27.1%    31.5 %    217.1   146.6
32  8/16      99.46    -2.2%      72.02    -4.6%      27.44    4.9%    27.6 %     93.1   130.3
31  8/9      111.46     4.8%      78.38     4.2%      33.08    6.2%    29.7 %    283.2   136.9
30  8/2      100.58    -3.3%      73.19    -2.7%      27.40   -4.7%    27.2 %    187.2   125.4
29  7/26      99.91     8.7%      73.88     3.1%      26.03   28.5%    26.1 %    147.6     3.9
28  7/19      96.55    -5.0%      69.59    -8.5%      26.96    5.5%    27.9 %    133.9   159.9
27  7/12      80.04   -19.4%      60.76   -20.2%      19.28  -16.8%    24.1 %     14.6   124.3

Q2   HMM    1381.45    -1.7%     961.09    -5.7%     420.37    8.6%    30.4%    1833.8  1735.1

26  7/5       88.88   -11.2%      66.22   -15.0%      22.66    2.3%    25.5 %      4.6     1.1
25  6/28      96.64    -0.7%      67.38    -8.4%      29.26   23.1%    30.3 %    121.6    78.1
24  6/21     118.84     8.1%      76.92    -2.9%      41.93   36.6%    35.3 %    316.3   135.0
23  6/14     115.15   -21.0%      76.72   -21.8%      38.43  -19.4%    33.4 %    144.9   334.5
22  6/7      110.91    -9.8%      73.74   -15.1%      37.17    3.0%    33.5 %    243.4   325.5
21  5/31      82.78   -10.1%      60.65   -12.9%      22.12   -1.4%    26.7 %     23.6    18.4
20  5/24      89.23   -13.7%      63.85   -15.3%      25.38   -9.3%    28.4 %    189.1    84.8
19  5/17      84.90   -11.9%      62.00   -12.3%      22.89  -10.9%    27.0 %     72.1    61.8
18  5/10      91.35   -22.5%      67.02   -19.8%      24.33  -29.0%    26.6 %      5.7   223.5
17  5/3       88.49   -15.2%      64.85   -14.1%      23.65  -18.2%    26.7 %     51.6   189.7
16  4/26      89.68   -11.1%      65.32   -10.6%      24.37  -12.3%    27.2 %      0.1   113.5
15  4/19     176.28    56.2%     122.89    54.5%      53.39   60.3%    30.3 %    295.8   162.8
14  4/12     148.32    45.2%      93.53    23.4%      54.79  108.0%    36.9 %    365.0     6.4

Q1   HMM    1813.70   -11.6%    1223.93   -14.2%     589.76   -5.7%    32.5%    3164.4  3103.6

13  4/5      136.35     6.0%      90.67    -1.5%      45.68   24.8%    33.5 %    165.9     0.4
12  3/29     149.53   -32.9%      99.72   -35.3%      49.81  -27.6%    33.3 %    187.8   297.1
11  3/22     241.91    18.3%     139.92    11.3%     101.98   29.5%    42.2 %    641.1   618.9
10  3/15     145.68   -10.9%     101.76    -8.6%      43.92  -15.8%    30.1 %     66.6   247.4
9   3/8      165.48   -15.3%     106.21   -20.7%      59.26   -3.4%    35.8 %    488.3   257.6
8   3/1      155.39   -12.4%      98.31   -23.9%      57.09   18.3%    36.7 %    503.8   315.7
7   2/22     127.22   -19.7%      88.74   -16.0%      38.47  -27.0%    30.2 %      0.2   247.3
6   2/15     155.64   -20.7%     111.97   -15.2%      43.67  -31.9%    28.1 %    162.8   368.9
5   2/8      117.08   -18.4%      84.67   -18.6%      32.41  -17.9%    27.7 %    144.0   171.1
4   2/1      118.53    -4.5%      84.08    -5.7%      34.46   -1.4%    29.1%     318.9   221.4
3   1/25      96.17    -7.9%      69.76   -11.4%      26.41    2.7%    27.5%     195.3    47.0
2   1/18     106.11   -10.2%      76.19   -11.5%      29.92   -6.8%    28.2%     261.6   213.6
1   1/11      98.61   -14.2%      71.93   -15.1%      26.68  -11.8%    27.1%      28.2    97.3

2013 HMM    7539.31    -8.3%    5242.51   -13.1%    2296.82    4.9%    30.5%   10668.2 10071.3

Q4   HMM    2766.93    -9.8%    1851.78   -14.0%     915.15    0.1%    33.1%    3728.2  3249.2

53  1/4      126.71   -11.6%      89.22   -14.9%      37.49   -2.5%    29.6%      24.5    67.2
52  12/28    272.62    14.2%     187.84     9.7%      84.77   25.6%    31.1%      83.8    11.9
51  12/21    386.85    -8.2%     261.74   -14.4%     125.11    8.2%    32.3%     406.8   284.4
50  12/14    330.14    -5.5%     203.04   -15.2%     127.10   15.7%    38.5%     617.5   493.4
49  12/7     230.30   -24.6%     151.36   -22.3%      78.94  -28.7%    34.3%     235.1   586.2
48  11/30    372.25    70.3%     253.10    64.6%     119.15   83.8%    32.0%      79.9   133.4
47  11/23    156.10   -60.0%     105.57   -62.3%      50.53  -54.0%    32.4%     354.0    85.0
46  11/16    149.93   -12.3%      94.62   -18.5%      55.31    0.9%    36.9%     376.1   326.6
45  11/9     124.86    -3.7%      87.74    -6.2%      37.12    2.7%    29.7%     209.3   315.0
44  11/2     128.93     2.0%      87.22    -9.4%      41.72   38.1%    32.4%     301.9    93.5
43  10/26    108.04   -27.3%      78.18   -28.3%      29.87  -24.6%    27.6%     212.5   227.0
42  10/19    131.05    -5.6%      87.75   -11.0%      43.30    7.7%    33.0%     293.5   350.8
41  10/12    119.64   -13.2%      81.55   -11.3%      38.09  -16.9%    31.8%     244.6   181.9
40  10/5     129.51   -12.4%      82.85   -14.9%      46.65   -7.6%    36.0%     288.6    93.1

Q3   DEG    1448.64   -13.4%    1011.45   -15.4%     437.19   -8.3%    30.2% (EST)273.9   15.9%(share)
Q3   HMM    1401.22   -14.3%    1010.62   -16.4%     390.58   -8.4%    27.9%    2017.4  2145.2

39   9/28    125.64   -37.1%      79.05   -29.2%      46.59  -47.1%    37.1%     414.8   624.7
38   9/21    113.74    -4.1%      78.15   -13.1%      35.58   24.2%    31.3%     213.5   116.7
37   9/14    132.99    -1.9%      85.34   -15.8%      47.65   39.1%    35.8%     239.8   211.1
36   9/7     108.70     8.9%      80.72   -13.8%      27.98    8.9%    25.7%     123.8    46.5
35   8/31    114.52   -21.0%      84.31   -21.6%      30.21  -19.3%    26.4%     197.5   262.5
34   8/24    102.07   -29.3%      76.50   -28.1%      25.57  -32.7%    25.1%     146.4   105.5
33   8/17    101.24   -31.8%      75.14   -30.9%      26.10  -34.2%    25.8%     130.3   412.4
32   8/10    106.13    -8.3%      75.01   -13.4%      31.12    7.0%    29.3%     136.9   216.2
31   8/3     103.89    10.4%      75.15    -1.7%      28.74   62.5%    27.7%     125.4     0.1
30   7/27     91.47    -3.5%      71.25    -4.9%      20.21    1.8%    22.1%       3.9    18.5
29   7/20    101.61    -3.4%      76.01    -7.2%      25.60    9.8%    25.2%     159.9    81.0
28   7/13     99.26    -5.7%      76.13    -8.7%      23.13    6.0%    23.3%     124.3    59.6
27   7/6      99.96    -8.0%      77.86    -9.5%      22.10   -2.4%    22.1%       1.1     0.5

Q2   DEG    1457.26   -13.0%    1052.97   -16.7%     404.29   -1.5%    27.7% (EST)259.4   15.1%(share)
Q2   HMM    1432.97   -13.2%    1031.66   -17.1%     401.32   -1.3%    28.0%    1777.3  2318.0

26   6/29     97.21   -21.8%      73.46   -20.8%      23.76  -24.7%    24.4%      78.1   350.5
25   6/22    109.92    -5.8%      79.23   -10.9%      30.69   10.7%    27.9%     135.0    98.6
24   6/15    145.76   -10.6%      98.08   -15.6%      47.68    1.9%    32.7%     334.2   275.5
23   6/8     122.79   -19.0%      86.72   -18.2%      36.06  -21.0%    29.4%     325.2   374.1
22   6/1      91.91   -18.9%      69.55   -20.2%      22.36  -14.4%    24.3%      18.4    37.0
21   5/25    103.15    -6.7%      75.17   -10.1%      27.98    3.8%    27.1%      84.8   178.2
20   5/18     96.09   -12.1%      70.43   -15.0%      25.67   -3.1%    26.7%      61.8   200.1
19   5/11    117.72    -5.1%      83.48   -11.5%      34.24   15.4%    29.1%     223.5   187.5
18   5/4     104.34    -4.3%      75.45   -12.1%      28.89   24.7%    27.7%     189.5   105.0
17   4/27    100.75    -4.2%      72.97    -8.6%      27.78    9.8%    27.6%     157.3    67.9
16   4/20    112.75     1.5%      79.45    -3.3%      33.30   14.9%    29.5%     162.8   236.0
15   4/13    102.06    -6.0%      75.74   -12.1%      26.32   17.6%    25.8%       6.4    51.8
14   4/6     128.52   -36.9%      91.93   -41.8%      36.59  -20.0%    28.5%       0.4   155.8

Q1   DEG    2098.83     2.1%    1455.55    -6.7%     643.28   28.5%    30.6% (EST)231.2    9.9%(share)
Q1   HMM    2064.90     2.5%    1437.67    -6.2%     627.26   30.1%    30.4%    3169.8  2426.1

13   3/30    222.64    41.9%     153.75    26.4%      68.89   95.1%    30.9%     294.8   171.2
12   3/23    204.22    35.8%     125.59    14.6%      78.63   92.8%    38.5%     618.7   356.9
11   3/16    163.59    10.3%     111.45    -1.8%      52.15   49.6%    31.9%     244.8   279.2
10   3/9     195.09    19.0%     133.76    10.1%      61.33   44.3%    31.4%     256.6   216.0
9    3/2     177.32    15.9%     129.10    10.1%      48.23   35.0%    27.2%     315.6    82.3
8    2/23    158.25    -1.7%     105.48   -14.7%      52.77   41.6%    33.3%     251.0   274.4
7    2/16    196.00    -6.2%     131.73   -18.6%      64.27   36.6%    32.8%     368.6    16.2
6    2/9     143.36   -30.4%     103.88   -31.5%      39.48  -27.5%    27.5%     171.1   321.4
5    2/2     124.02   -15.3%      89.11   -19.9%      34.91   -0.8%    28.1%     221.2   118.7
4    1/26    104.36   -19.8%      78.68   -18.6%      25.69  -23.2%    24.6%      46.5   226.0
3    1/19    118.15    -7.3%      88.02   -14.7%      32.13   20.7%    27.2%     213.2   114.0
2    1/12    114.83    -8.9%      84.56   -13.8%      30.27    8.1%    26.4%      96.8   116.2
1    1/5     143.07     5.5%     104.56    -0.1%      38.51   24.4%    26.9%      67.2   134.3

2012 DEG    8462.18    -5.5%    6105.78   -10.9%    2356.40    9.6%    27.8% (EST)811.5    8.8%(share)    
2012 HMM    8181.48    -5.6%    5997.34    -9.9%    2184.04    8.6%    26.7%   10157.8  9979.0										
							
Q4 DEG      3060.27    -8.3%    2091.50   -15.1%     968.77    4.8%    31.7% (EST)295.0    8.8%(share)
Q4 HMM      2914.71    -7.1%    2037.92   -11.0%     876.78    3.5%    30.1%    3319.1  3713.8

52  12/29    237.36    35.8%     169.84    29.8%      67.52   53.6%    28.4%      11.5    64.3
51  12/22    420.06   -12.9%     304.39   -17.4%     115.67    1.9%    27.5%     281.1   205.6
50  12/15    348.17    -5.8%     238.15   -15.1%     110.01   23.3%    31.6%     492.9   360.7
49  12/8     303.97    -6.1%     193.44   -21.0%     110.53   40.3%    36.4%     567.3   624.8
48  12/1     217.83    -5.3%     152.95   -12.4%      64.88   16.9%    29.8%     336.6   282.0
47  11/24    388.81    -0.3%     278.21    -7.6%     110.60   24.6%    28.4%      84.4   194.5
46  11/17    169.81     1.0%     115.01   -10.6%      54.79   38.5%    32.3%     326.0    41.6
45  11/10    128.76   -29.6%      93.33   -27.9%      35.43  -33.8%    27.5%     309.7   422.9
44  11/3     126.70   -25.0%      96.30   -18.9%      30.39  -39.4%    24.0%      93.1   335.6
43  10/27    149.05     0.9%     109.23    12.7%      39.82  -21.6%    26.7%     227.0   204.5
42  10/20    139.08   -12.3%      98.69     1.8%      40.40  -34.4%    29.0%     311.3   370.0
41  10/13    137.69   -11.0%      91.68   -14.8%      46.02   -2.3%    33.4%     181.4   343.3
40  10/6     147.42   -20.5%      96.70   -12.5%      50.72  -32.2%    34.4%      96.8   264.0                               
			
Q3 DEG      1672.54    -4.0%    1195.84    -9.5%     476.70   13.0%    28.5% (EST)187.1   10.1%(share)
Q3 HMM      1624.71    -3.7%    1199.77    -8.6%     424.65   13.3%    26.1%    2147.2  1806.5

39  9/29     198.99    28.7%     110.98     0.1%      88.01  101.1%    44.2%     624.6   352.1
38  9/22     118.97   -26.2%      89.54   -20.5%      28.63  -39.8%    24.2%     116.0   169.3
37  9/15     134.97   -18.9%     100.75    -6.9%      34.22  -41.1%    25.4%     208.4   190.8
36  9/8      118.56    -8.8%      92.98    -9.9%      25.58   -4.5%    21.6%      47.6   189.3
35  9/1      144.44    20.3%     107.25     5.3%      37.19  103.6%    25.7%     252.7    65.6
34  8/25     143.76    31.4%     105.81    15.3%      37.95  115.6%    26.4%     105.3    12.6
33  8/18     147.22    17.3%     108.08     5.7%      39.64   67.7%    26.8%     411.4   100.8
32  8/11     114.70    -7.0%      85.79   -13.8%      28.91   21.3%    25.2%     216.1   118.2
31  8/4       93.41   -33.4%      75.78   -32.4%      17.63  -37.3%    18.9%       0.6   189.8
30  7/28      94.17   -14.4%      74.35   -17.6%      19.82    0.4%    21.0%      18.5    56.8
29  7/21     103.79   -14.7%      80.67   -18.0%      23.12   -0.9%    22.3%      87.8    88.3
28  7/14     104.61   -12.5%      82.94   -13.7%      21.67   -7.4%    20.7%      57.9   267.8
27  7/7      107.12     0.7%      84.85    -1.2%      22.28    8.6%    20.8%       0.3     5.1

Q2 DEG      1674.15    -7.1%    1263.83   -10.1%     410.32    3.4%    24.5%
Q2 HMM      1631.18    -9.9%    1227.87   -13.3%     403.51    2.5%    24.7%    2296.8  2322.3

26  6/30     122.48    -3.7%      91.23    -5.2%      31.25    0.9%    25.5%     342.2   102.3
25  6/23     114.86    -7.7%      87.39   -11.5%      27.47    6.8%    23.9%      97.5   205.4
24  6/16     160.13     5.6%     113.84    -1.9%      46.29   30.2%    28.9%     275.1   208.2
23  6/9      151.52    14.4%     105.51     1.2%      45.61   61.4%    30.2%     370.6   305.0
22  6/2      111.57    -6.5%      85.76   -11.7%      25.81   16.4%    23.1%      36.1    15.8
21  5/26     109.16    -5.2%      82.48   -10.8%      26.88   17.7%    24.6%     179.2   154.4
20  5/19     109.04    -3.6%      82.49   -11.1%      26.55   30.7%    24.3%     200.0    99.9
19  5/12     121.91     8.4%      92.63     1.6%      29.28   37.8%    24.0%     187.4   155.6
18  5/5      107.56   -11.5%      84.66   -14.4%      22.90    1.5%    21.3%     104.9   148.6
17  4/28     103.68    -4.1%      78.66   -10.5%      25.02   23.5%    24.1%      67.6     0.0
16  4/21     109.99   -50.1%      81.31   -53.3%      28.68  -38.1%    26.1%     231.7   184.9
15  4/14     107.78   -42.5%      85.63   -37.4%      22.15  -56.2%    20.6%      51.3   314.8
14  4/7      201.90    13.9%     156.28    20.0%      45.62   -3.0%    22.6%     153.2   427.4

Q1 DEG      2060.00    -0.4%    1559.39    -6.1%     500.61   23.0%    24.3%
Q1 HMM      2010.88    -1.2%    1531.78    -6.6%     479.10   20.9%    23.8%    2394.7  2136.4

13  3/31     155.29   -19.9%     120.32   -17.4%      34.98  -27.6%    22.5%     168.6   319.2
12  3/24     148.56     8.5%     108.20    -2.8%      40.36   57.9%    27.2%     353.9   219.4
11  3/17     146.48     4.6%     112.13    -1.4%      34.34   30.2%    23.4%     276.1   154.2
10  3/10     165.27     9.5%     123.11     2.7%      42.16   35.7%    25.5%     216.0   177.1
9   3/3      150.39   -14.0%     115.29   -13.4%      35.10  -15.7%    23.3%      67.0   112.3
8   2/25     158.98    -2.2%     122.04    -7.3%      36.94   19.4%    23.2%     272.1   258.0
7   2/18     207.15    18.9%     160.38    10.4%      46.77   61.7%    22.6%      16.4    86.2
6   2/11     205.54    19.4%     151.09     3.1%      54.45  104.2%    26.5%     316.5   224.0
5   2/4      144.90    -8.6%     110.25   -16.0%      34.65   27.1%    23.9%     118.5    23.0
4   1/28     131.95   -13.6%      98.40   -20.2%      33.55   14.2%    25.4%     226.3   201.2
3   1/21     129.39    -2.4%     103.53    -4.9%      25.86    8.9%    20.0%     112.7    60.7
2   1/14     128.65    -5.1%     100.16    -7.7%      28.49    5.6%    22.1%     143.4   116.2
1   1/7      138.33    -8.0%     106.88   -11.6%      31.45    7.0%    22.7%     157.7   134.3

2011 DEG    8951.80   -13.2%    6851.80   -19.5%    2150.00   19.4%    24.0%    
2011 HMM    8604.20   -13.9%    6608.28   -20.3%    1995.92   17.7%    23.2%    9936.0 10820.9
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Since 2015 chart is complete, some year-end notes:

1) Blu-ray share for the year increased to 33.7%, up from 31.3% in 2014.

2) Q4 Blu-ray share was 38.1% in 2015, up from 32.0% in 2014.

3) Blu-ray declined only 5.4%, an improvement from 7.9% in 2014.

4) DVD declined 15.1%, which is worse than last year's 11.0% decline

5) Total disc sales declined 12.1%, worse than last year's 10.1% decline


Comparing HMM and DEG data:

Physical media sell-through YoY): DEG--> -12.0%, HMM--> -12.1% (very close)

Total revenue (millions): DEG-->$6100, HMM-->$5952 (reasonably close, but the DEG has always been a little higher)

Q4 Blu-ray YoY: DEG--> +6%, HMM--> +11.2%
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by hanshotfirst1138
The incredibly annoying part is that when content is iTunes exclusive and you don't have an Apple TV, there isn't any damn way to play it!
That's not even remotely true.
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by bruceames
Since 2015 chart is complete, some year-end notes:

1) Blu-ray share for the year increased to 33.7%, up from 31.3% in 2014.

2) Q4 Blu-ray share was 38.1% in 2015, up from 32.0% in 2014.

3) Blu-ray declined only 5.4%, an improvement from 7.9% in 2014.

4) DVD declined 15.1%, which is worse than last year's 11.0% decline

5) Total disc sales declined 12.1%, worse than last year's 10.1% decline


Comparing HMM and DEG data:

Physical media sell-through YoY): DEG--> -12.0%, HMM--> -12.1% (very close)

Total revenue (millions): DEG-->$6100, HMM-->$5952 (reasonably close, but the DEG has always been a little higher)

Q4 Blu-ray YoY: DEG--> +6%, HMM--> +11.2%
DVD sales are falling like a rock. It appears that Blu-ray owners are still mostly committed to the format, while DVD owners have been lost to streaming.

I have no idea how more demanding movie consumers can tolerate the poor A/V quality of streaming. I was watching a newish film with excellent cinematography the other day via VUDU in HDX and it was a poor viewing experience at best. Chock full of banding and other streaming-related problems I haven't seen on Blu-ray in nearly a decade.
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by WeeBey
Looks like the decline of physical media accelerated in 2015.
The rate of decline for physical media has been accelerating for several years now. Considering the years prior, it actually slowed down somewhat in 2015.

Per DEG:

2015: -12.0%

2014: -10.9%

2013: -8.1%

2012: -5.5%
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
DVD sales are falling like a rock. It appears that Blu-ray owners are still mostly committed to the format, while DVD owners have been lost to streaming.

I have no idea how more demanding movie consumers can tolerate the poor A/V quality of streaming. I was watching a newish film with excellent cinematography the other day via VUDU in HDX and it was a poor viewing experience at best. Chock full of banding and other streaming-related problems I haven't seen on Blu-ray in nearly a decade.
I often have buffering issues not VUDU, but Netflix seems just fine. Don't know why that is though. The Netflix 4K content is at least equal to Blu-ray if not slightly better. The only problem is lack of content.

As for sales, I suspect HMM is giving more sales to Blu-ray while taking more from DVD. This has been happening for several months now. Otherwise there is no explanation for Blu-ray sudden resurgence while DVD takes a nose dive at the same time. Besides, the DEG said Blu-ray sales increased only 6% in Q4 2015, while in HMM it comes out to 12.2%. Quite a difference. Normally HMM and DEG figures jive quite well.
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re: Blu-ray and DVD sales - #2, but we try harder

Originally Posted by bruceames
The rate of decline for physical media has been accelerating for several years now. Considering the years prior, it actually slowed down somewhat in 2015.

Per DEG:

2015: -12.0%

2014: -10.9%

2013: -8.1%

2012: -5.5%
For one thing, the less than expected decline in Blu-ray sales is due to much wider catalog support from the micro labels that license films from the studios. The major Hollywood studios had shown withering support to Blu-ray in sheer titles the past couple of years as they shifted to streaming. Thank goodness they finally woke up and licensed out hundreds of older movies to smaller labels. If they had done it sooner around 2010, I believe Blu-ray would be a healthier format today.

I have a rock-solid fiber connection, I didn't want to imply that VUDU has buffering problems with my comment. VUDU's typical picture quality is suspect for videophiles.
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I have no idea how more demanding movie consumers can tolerate the poor A/V quality of streaming. I was watching a newish film with excellent cinematography the other day via VUDU in HDX and it was a poor viewing experience at best. Chock full of banding and other streaming-related problems I haven't seen on Blu-ray in nearly a decade.
Most people don't notice that stuff.

I've pointed this out before, but a friend of mine who works in the movie/tv industry (shooting, editing, etc.) will watch a movie on his LCD TV with the "motion smoothing" option turned on, making movies look like soap operas. This is a guy who's fucking JOB is video, and he doesn't give two fucks. Yes, he understands the difference, and still doesn't care. You think for one second that someone who doesn't understand the difference will care?

People like us, who understand the difference AND care, are in the great, GREAT minority.
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
For one thing, the less than expected decline in Blu-ray sales is due to much wider catalog support from the micro labels that license films from the studios. The major Hollywood studios had shown withering support to Blu-ray in sheer titles the past couple of years as they shifted to streaming. Thank goodness they finally woke up and licensed out hundreds of older movies to smaller labels. If they had done it sooner around 2010, I believe Blu-ray would be a healthier format today.
I don't think so. Although more catalog was released, the overall quality is lower and the average street price continues to fall every year. I don't think a resurgence in DVD catalog output (in 2010) did much to help sales. At best catalog held it's own. Anyway catalog has always been a small part of overall Blu-ray sales (maybe 20-30 percent).

I believe it is partly due to a much stronger blockbuster lineup and that HMM is definitely doing something "different" with their Blu-ray/DVD calculations (starting with week 35 last year). As I mentioned earlier, DVD had a better YoY number in 16 of the first 35 weeks of last year, and was better YoY-wise from mid 2013 to Sept. 2014. But after that suddenly Blu-ray has a "resurgence" where not only does it beat DVD's YoY every single week, but that DVD doesn't even come close. It just doesn't happen like that overnight.
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I've pointed this out before, but a friend of mine who works in the movie/tv industry (shooting, editing, etc.) will watch a movie on his LCD TV with the "motion smoothing" option turned on, making movies look like soap operas. This is a guy who's fucking JOB is video, and he doesn't give two fucks. Yes, he understands the difference, and still doesn't care.
If he works on any network TV shows, I wouldn't be surprised. The way they're presented nowadays, I'd be ashamed to work on any of them. I wouldn't even contribute material to "America's Funniest Home Videos".

I have no idea how more demanding movie consumers can tolerate the poor A/V quality of streaming. I was watching a newish film with excellent cinematography the other day via VUDU in HDX and it was a poor viewing experience at best. Chock full of banding and other streaming-related problems I haven't seen on Blu-ray in nearly a decade.
Banding is the WORST problem with streaming video- I didn't even know what it was called when I first saw it, but it's definitely distracting. It shows up on a few Blu-Rays too, which shouldn't pass quality control, but it's ridiculously bad on streaming during any movie that has dark scenes. (I watched "Silent House" when Vudu had that as a 99 cent rental, looked REALLY bad as most of that takes place in the dark. And I get full bars on Vudu so it's not something I could fix with better internet service.I'll have to watch it again on disc if it ever gets cheap.)
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If he works on any network TV shows, I wouldn't be surprised. The way they're presented nowadays, I'd be ashamed to work on any of them. I wouldn't even contribute material to "America's Funniest Home Videos".
He's done film and television, big budget and small along with lots of documentaries as well. He's co-edited movies I'm sure you've seen.
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
DVD sales are falling like a rock. It appears that Blu-ray owners are still mostly committed to the format, while DVD owners have been lost to streaming.

I have no idea how more demanding movie consumers can tolerate the poor A/V quality of streaming. I was watching a newish film with excellent cinematography the other day via VUDU in HDX and it was a poor viewing experience at best. Chock full of banding and other streaming-related problems I haven't seen on Blu-ray in nearly a decade.
I get much better quality out of streaming than I ever dreamed would be possible. There are still a lot of kinks (Hey! Vudu! Fix the fucking aspect ratios!), but all told, I can frequently get much more impressive quality on streaming than I ever thought I'd be able to. Clearly it's good enough for most consumers, especially on modern titles.

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That's not even remotely true.
Enlighten me. I have yet to find any other way, they DRM it up the wazoo so that unless it's an Apple product or in iTunes proper, I can't play it.
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Enlighten me. I have yet to find any other way, they DRM it up the wazoo so that unless it's an Apple product or in iTunes proper, I can't play it.
For starters, you can hook your computer or ipad to your tv directly. That's the easiest way. Otherwise you can insert you hand up the file's wazoo and remove the DRM. I'm not going to say how to do that other than it's as simple as clicking a button. Once you do that, the file is a just a regular old mp4 with which you can do as you please.
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Clearly people are willing to pay for those early digital releases, so the demand must be there.
Not I.
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For starters, you can hook your computer or ipad to your tv directly. That's the easiest way.
Although I regularly use my laptop on my TV for web browsing (typing on it right now as a matter of fact!) watching movies on it is not the same quality as even a Roku or similar streaming device- you certainly can't get 5.1 sound out of my computer. Plus if you bump the keyboard or mouse at all during the movie an annoying pointer or other display will come on for a few seconds.

And as I've said about early digital releases, I've already stopped caring about getting stuff as soon as it's out- and if they treat physical media as a lower-class market than digital, then I'll be even more willing to wait for price drops which means less money for them.

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