Star Wars
#4326
Challenge Guru & Comic Nerd
Re: Star Wars
The holiday special is wonderful in its awfulness. I only discovered it a few years ago, but it will likely keep a place in my holiday rotation every year or two.
#4327
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Re: Star Wars
I'm not much of a computer whiz, but through a near miracle, I followed the official online instructions, downloaded the damned programs and the friggin' 37 parts (over two days), and used some other consarned program to put it all together--and low and behold, it somehow all worked.
I now own the Despecialized Edition of Star Wars. Put it on a flash drive and watched it last night. A journey back to 1977. Pretty awesome.
I may go for the other two if I get around to it.
I now own the Despecialized Edition of Star Wars. Put it on a flash drive and watched it last night. A journey back to 1977. Pretty awesome.
I may go for the other two if I get around to it.
#4328
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
Re: Star Wars
I'm not much of a computer whiz, but through a near miracle, I followed the official online instructions, downloaded the damned programs and the friggin' 37 parts (over two days), and used some other consarned program to put it all together--and low and behold, it somehow all worked.
I now own the Despecialized Edition of Star Wars. Put it on a flash drive and watched it last night. A journey back to 1977. Pretty awesome.
I may go for the other two if I get around to it.
I now own the Despecialized Edition of Star Wars. Put it on a flash drive and watched it last night. A journey back to 1977. Pretty awesome.
I may go for the other two if I get around to it.
If you haven't already, I'd also recommend you grab the Team Negative 1 35mm print version. It's much more straightforward to obtain over at the internet archive...
#4329
Re: Star Wars
I downloaded it and took a peek this afternoon. Detail isn't much different from the official blu-rays, but everything just looks so much more organic. And even with no real color correction beyond white balancing the individual reels, the colors are worlds better. The colors are probably even better than the Despecialized versions simply due to the fact that there's no need to correct all of the damage that was done on the official blu-ray, although it's still a bit contrasty due to the nature of the Tech IB prints. Also, there is A LOT of grain, especially in conjunction with any of the optical effects. Some people might be off put by that. Don't expect this thing to look like a commercial release. There will be a de-grained version down the road, and I know folks are already hard at work on a more intentional color correction, so hopefully the best is still yet to come. As it is though, this is pretty great. It blows the door off the silver screen edition.
#4330
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Just heard the 1080p and 4k versions of Project 4k77 is out.
4k version is 83 GB I think. Too big for me right now. I'll probably try to get the 1080p version one later.
I don't understand why there needed to be so much color correction. Because the film prints are so old?
4k version is 83 GB I think. Too big for me right now. I'll probably try to get the 1080p version one later.
I don't understand why there needed to be so much color correction. Because the film prints are so old?
#4331
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/page/Project-4K77
Color correction was a single correction per reel - the optical audio track was used to white balance the image, and the contrast adjusted to ensure that there was no clipping of the highlights or crushing of the blacks, so if the color changes from shot to shot, or it goes from very dark inside to very bright outside, that's how it is on the print. Film has a greater contrast range than home video, and of course was graded for viewing, reflected off of a giant silver screen.
#4332
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
What's the file size of the originals?
Checked torrents:
4K - 92 GB x264
1080p - 38 GB x264
Usenet:
4k - 104 GB x265
1080p - 38 GB x265
1080p - 44 GB x264
I'm confused how he said the original was 83GB but it looks to be 104GB and the non-original is 92GB.
Checked torrents:
4K - 92 GB x264
1080p - 38 GB x264
Usenet:
4k - 104 GB x265
1080p - 38 GB x265
1080p - 44 GB x264
I'm confused how he said the original was 83GB but it looks to be 104GB and the non-original is 92GB.
#4333
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
http://www.harley.com/usenet/usenet-...e-handled.html
The 92GB torrent file I found was actually a re-encoding:
This is my 'Player Friendly' version, differing from what is now available on UseNet in that it is encoded x264 8bit and has had some mild DNR & color correction applied. The original file is x265 10bit UHD and is giving many folks problems with playback due to hardware requirements
#4334
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Yeah, you're right, looks like overhead with yEnc.
They said to avoid the 92 GB torrent because it encoded with variable frame rate so every third frame is a duplicate.
38 GB x264 1080p should be fine as color correction done by TN1. And the x265 versions are the originals.
Was just curious. Not getting them right now.
They said to avoid the 92 GB torrent because it encoded with variable frame rate so every third frame is a duplicate.
38 GB x264 1080p should be fine as color correction done by TN1. And the x265 versions are the originals.
Was just curious. Not getting them right now.
#4336
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars
Jesus, I suck at computers...
#4337
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
At this point, I think Disney is just waiting for their purchase of Fox to go through. Then they can release new UHD Blu-rays of all the Star Wars films in 2019 as build-up to the release of Ep 9.
#4338
DVD Talk Hero
Re: Star Wars
I'll be shocked if Desney ever releases the original unaltered trilogy.
As a company, it seems like they treat home video as an afterthought and have shown little intetest in releasing multiple versions of their films. Age of Ultron could have used a directors cut, but nada.
It's also been speculated that they might be contractually obligated to not release the unaltered versions of ghe films.
As a company, it seems like they treat home video as an afterthought and have shown little intetest in releasing multiple versions of their films. Age of Ultron could have used a directors cut, but nada.
It's also been speculated that they might be contractually obligated to not release the unaltered versions of ghe films.
#4339
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
I'll be shocked if Desney ever releases the original unaltered trilogy.
As a company, it seems like they treat home video as an afterthought and have shown little intetest in releasing multiple versions of their films. Age of Ultron could have used a directors cut, but nada.
As a company, it seems like they treat home video as an afterthought and have shown little intetest in releasing multiple versions of their films. Age of Ultron could have used a directors cut, but nada.
Also, I don't think Disney is necessarily opposed to multiple cuts, when they feel it's merited. There's 3 cuts of Beauty and the Beast on the Blu-ray, for example.
They don't seem big on creating new extended or director's cuts, but I don't think that necessarily means they'd refrain from releasing alternate cuts that already exist.
They don't seem big on creating new extended or director's cuts, but I don't think that necessarily means they'd refrain from releasing alternate cuts that already exist.
#4340
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Project 4k77 said harmy himself has a copy and is working on a 1080p (v3.0?) edition so some may wait for that.
Last edited by Ranger; 06-30-18 at 01:39 PM.
#4341
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Anyone get the 4k UHD versions for SW and ROTJ?
I'm curious how fast a PC is needed to play the UHD versions. Maybe i5 quad core with 8 GB RAM.
So far I got:
SW 1080p no-DNR 38 GB
SW 1080p DNR 40 GB
ROTJ 1080p 36 GB
Big files but x264 so an i3 with 4 GB RAM plays them fine.
ROTJ has a different FOX opening, not sure what's that about.
They all look good. DNR vs no-DNR - most say no-DNR is too grainy but colors look better. I think I like DNR better but will keep both to keep comparing.
I'm curious how fast a PC is needed to play the UHD versions. Maybe i5 quad core with 8 GB RAM.
So far I got:
SW 1080p no-DNR 38 GB
SW 1080p DNR 40 GB
ROTJ 1080p 36 GB
Big files but x264 so an i3 with 4 GB RAM plays them fine.
ROTJ has a different FOX opening, not sure what's that about.
They all look good. DNR vs no-DNR - most say no-DNR is too grainy but colors look better. I think I like DNR better but will keep both to keep comparing.
#4342
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
https://developer.nvidia.com/video-e...support-matrix
https://forum.kodi.tv/showthread.php?tid=232629
#4343
Banned by request
Re: Star Wars
I haven't downloaded it, but I may sometime soon. I'm also guessing since Episode 9 is coming this year, we'll probably see all of the films on UHD sometime in 2020.
#4344
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
No telling though whether the original cuts of the original trilogy would make it into such a set though.
#4346
DVD Talk Limited Edition
Re: Star Wars
If they do released the UOT in a box set there should be a blu-ray release and not just a UHD set if they want to sell more than twelve copies.
#4347
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
Disney also owns the full Lucasilm archives, and could restore and re-release the original edits, at least in terms of technical capabilities and available resources.
The big question is whether Disney thinks it's worth it. Some speculate that Lucas may have "forbid" it in the contract of sale, but I doubt Disney would've agreed to any restrictions on what they could do with the resources they bought. It's more about whether Lucas would be upset if they were released, and whether Disney wants to risk upsetting Lucas. Having a happy George Lucas to trot out and endorse their products is worth something to Disney.
Personally, as long as the original edits are "supplemental," I don't think Lucas would be upset. He did, after all, agree to the bonus DVDs of the original cuts on the LE DVD releases. Those were from a decade-old Laserdisc master, but that's because Lucas didn't want to spend any money on the originals. But it's not his money anymore. So if the UHDs had both cuts, with the SE "primary," I think Lucas would be mollified.
There's also the thought that Disney doesn't do multiple cuts that often, but while they don't go out of their way to create multiple cuts of their films, the few times that's happened, they've put multiple cuts on the DVD and/or Blu-ray. Sometimes they're not perfect representations of a particular edit, but it's not something they're opposed to doing.
Finally, there's the question of whether it's of any financial or PR advantage to Disney to do it. Here it's tough to call. Certainly Star Wars has sold well on Blu-ray despite no original cuts, and the people insistent on the original cuts are a small but fervent bunch. Personally, I think it'd improve sales overall, since even people who don't necessarily care about which cut they own could view a release with two cuts as extra value, even on top of any UHD/HDR upgrade over the Blu-ray.
#4348
DVD Talk Legend
Re: Star Wars
They are working on Empire now - 4k80.
http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/page/Project-4K80
Disney probably will release TFA and Rogue One on UHD later this year.
http://www.thestarwarstrilogy.com/starwars/page/Project-4K80
Disney probably will release TFA and Rogue One on UHD later this year.