Star Wars
08-03-13, 05:49 PM
#3276
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re: Star Wars
Yeah Lucas is an asshole and he wonders why a lot of his fans disrespect him. He does it to himself. There's absolutely no reason other than his own stubborn minded never ending takes on how he can change the original trilogy with each subsequent re-release that he can't release the films the way they originally came out in good quality. I would buy a set that included the originals (no changes whatsoever), the shitty re-releases, and even the prequels if it were to be put out. The fact that he's so adamantly against it especially when fans want it and we're talking Star Wars fans here who eat up practically anything (which is good and bad because sadly a lot will just buy what he gives) it's not like it's some obscure franchise or something is ridiculous.
I just though to myself, George, you run Industrial Light and Magic, the biggest visual effects house in the world. You run Skywalker Sound, the biggest post production studio in the world. You run THX. You are one of the richest men on earth. You have produced, written, and directed some of the most successful films of all time and you are worth more money than almost anyone on earth. Why do you care what a clique of people on the Internet say about you? Are you really that insecure? I kind of feel sorry for you if that's the case.
The key problem now is that after the 2006 release, there's a catch-22 where they can say "Well, we released it, and people still complained!" I thought high-quality releases should be a given, but apparently not.
08-03-13, 08:33 PM
#3279
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08-03-13, 10:17 PM
#3280
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re: Star Wars
I like the new OT set cover. But seems like it's just a re-release of the same trilogy sets. I think they said there'd be a new comm. track from archive interviews.
If they were serious, they'd have included ultraviolet - it's the future, man.
If they were serious, they'd have included ultraviolet - it's the future, man.
08-04-13, 11:26 AM
#3282
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re: Star Wars
Limited space in stores now so the combining of the SKU is probably a requirement.
08-04-13, 06:18 PM
#3283
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re: Star Wars
I keep wondering if these are just stray pressings of the 2004 & 2008 releases they still have lying around, or if they keep releasing them again and again because they keeps selling well, I assume the latter.
08-04-13, 08:23 PM
#3285
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re: Star Wars
Disney may end up doing that when Lucasfilm regains distribution rights to 5 of the six films in 2020; meanwhile Fox likely wants to milk these films as much as it can before they lose the rights.
08-04-13, 09:25 PM
#3286
re: Star Wars
So how many of us actually held off on buying the Blu-rays all this time and how many eventually broke down and bought it?
I've held off obviously because of all the ridiculous changes that just became too much but mostly because I realized I've had the original trilogy on DVD since it was released the first time and still haven't watched them.
If and when the unaltered trilogy is released I finally pick it up.
I've held off obviously because of all the ridiculous changes that just became too much but mostly because I realized I've had the original trilogy on DVD since it was released the first time and still haven't watched them.
If and when the unaltered trilogy is released I finally pick it up.
As others have said, someone should just release both versions, original and special edition. How hard is that? It's done ALL THE TIME with other films.
08-04-13, 09:58 PM
#3287
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re: Star Wars
Disney may end up doing that when Lucasfilm regains distribution rights to 5 of the six films in 2020; meanwhile Fox likely wants to milk these films as much as it can before they lose the rights.
I rented the DVDs and BDs, but I didn't buy them. I've been waiting for versions without the crappy special effects and gratuitous scenes.
As others have said, someone should just release both versions, original and special edition. How hard is that? It's done ALL THE TIME with other films.
As others have said, someone should just release both versions, original and special edition. How hard is that? It's done ALL THE TIME with other films.
08-05-13, 12:24 AM
#3289
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re: Star Wars
I'm more amused some people think we will still be able to buy movies on discs in 2020. What retailers will be selling them? Will Best Buy even exist?
08-05-13, 05:47 AM
#3290
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re: Star Wars
This maybe a dumb question, but could FOX put out the OOT remastered sometime in the near future on BluRay if they wanted to? Lucas took his future SW business to Disney, so they have no loyalty to him anymore, and they still own the Home Video rights, why don't they just milk the OOT for all its worth now?
08-05-13, 06:48 AM
#3291
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
Fox actually owns distribution rights for Ep 4 in perpetuity. However, they have the distribution rights to Eps 1, 2, 3, 5, and 6 until 2020.
Best Buy may not exist, but discs are still a possibility. Hell, music is still released on vinyl, which I doubt people a decade ago thought would still be occurring. Video discs may end up being a niche market, but it's still one that could be filled by the studios, even if it's reduced to something like burn-on-demand for many titles.
It's complicated, and it's a bit of an unknown since it likely depends on distribution contract Fox and Lucasfilm have. Fox currently has distribution rights for all the films, but Lucasfilm owns the copyrights for all of them. It's possible that Fox only has the rights to distribute what Lucasfilm gives them to distribute.
Even if Fox has the right to distribute other versions of the films without Lucasfilm approval, they may have difficulty getting the materials for an OOT remaster. Lucasfilm has the original negatives in their possession, and I believe that Lucas went on a quest to recall as many prints as possible of the OOT, so Fox may not even have a print available.
Even if they did have a copy, and did have the rights to distribute it without authorization from Lucasfilm, they still may play nice with Lucasfilm. Fox owns the rights to Ep 4 in perpetuity, but they likely know that it's worth most as released with the rest of the trilogy, so they may be wanting to work with Lucasfilm and Disney in a combined distribution deal for at least the first 3 films. So they won't do anything to deliberately antagonize Lucasfilm or Disney, especially if the trade-off is only to please a relatively small part of the market for these films.
Even if Fox has the right to distribute other versions of the films without Lucasfilm approval, they may have difficulty getting the materials for an OOT remaster. Lucasfilm has the original negatives in their possession, and I believe that Lucas went on a quest to recall as many prints as possible of the OOT, so Fox may not even have a print available.
Even if they did have a copy, and did have the rights to distribute it without authorization from Lucasfilm, they still may play nice with Lucasfilm. Fox owns the rights to Ep 4 in perpetuity, but they likely know that it's worth most as released with the rest of the trilogy, so they may be wanting to work with Lucasfilm and Disney in a combined distribution deal for at least the first 3 films. So they won't do anything to deliberately antagonize Lucasfilm or Disney, especially if the trade-off is only to please a relatively small part of the market for these films.
08-05-13, 09:14 AM
#3292
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re: Star Wars
Best Buy may not exist, but discs are still a possibility. Hell, music is still released on vinyl, which I doubt people a decade ago thought would still be occurring. Video discs may end up being a niche market, but it's still one that could be filled by the studios, even if it's reduced to something like burn-on-demand for many titles.
As for discs, it'll be an online only type deal aside from some new releases. Studios are already pushing Digital pretty damn hard.
08-05-13, 10:53 AM
#3293
DVD Talk Hall of Fame
re: Star Wars
They have the right to the six movies until 2020, but they have the rights to the original film in perpetuity.
Hopefully yes, probably not.
It begs a number of questions. Do they have OOT prints? Could they restore them, or would they have to go through Disney? Would either of them be willing to restore them? Could Disney and Fox reach an agreement about the profits if it's necessary for both parties to be involved? How profitable is the OOT to them?
But since Lucasfilm is owned by Disney now, wouldn't they have to go through them? I assume until 2020, Disney's hands are tied and Fox can release what they want?
Lucas supposedly went on a purge to find and destroy as many OOT prints as he could. I've often wondered, if they scanned the OOT footage to create the SE, wouldn't that still be on file someplace? Again, there's so much behind-the-scenes stuff that we don't know about, it's difficult to say anything for certain.
Rumors are a-flying, but I think it's all just fanboys blowing smoke right now.
It's probably cheaper for them (to say nothing of offering them more control, but I'm paranoid).
This maybe a dumb question, but could FOX put out the OOT remastered sometime in the near future on BluRay if they wanted to? Lucas took his future SW business to Disney, so they have no loyalty to him anymore, and they still own the Home Video rights, why don't they just milk the OOT for all its worth now?
It's complicated, and it's a bit of an unknown since it likely depends on distribution contract Fox and Lucasfilm have. Fox currently has distribution rights for all the films, but Lucasfilm owns the copyrights for all of them. It's possible that Fox only has the rights to distribute what Lucasfilm gives them to distribute.
Even if Fox has the right to distribute other versions of the films without Lucasfilm approval, they may have difficulty getting the materials for an OOT remaster. Lucasfilm has the original negatives in their possession, and I believe that Lucas went on a quest to recall as many prints as possible of the OOT, so Fox may not even have a print available.
Even if they did have a copy, and did have the rights to distribute it without authorization from Lucasfilm, they still may play nice with Lucasfilm. Fox owns the rights to Ep 4 in perpetuity, but they likely know that it's worth most as released with the rest of the trilogy, so they may be wanting to work with Lucasfilm and Disney in a combined distribution deal for at least the first 3 films. So they won't do anything to deliberately antagonize Lucasfilm or Disney, especially if the trade-off is only to please a relatively small part of the market for these films.
It's probably cheaper for them (to say nothing of offering them more control, but I'm paranoid).
08-05-13, 11:59 AM
#3294
DVD Talk Legend
re: Star Wars
Lucas supposedly went on a purge to find and destroy as many OOT prints as he could. I've often wondered, if they scanned the OOT footage to create the SE, wouldn't that still be on file someplace? Again, there's so much behind-the-scenes stuff that we don't know about, it's difficult to say anything for certain.
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html
The short version is that the films weren't completely digitally scanned to make the SEs, and most of the restoration in '97 was done photochemically. Parts that were replaced with new digital effects weren't restored at all. Lucasfilm likely still has all the original elements though, so a digital restoration is still possible.
08-05-13, 12:09 PM
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re: Star Wars
I doubt Lucas would have destroyed all the original elements, he was most likely just trying to get a hold of them and prevent them from circulating.
08-05-13, 02:44 PM
#3296
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re: Star Wars
08-05-13, 02:58 PM
#3297
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re: Star Wars
As Lucasfilm is now owned by Disney, any deals Lucasfilm now makes would likely have to get approval from Disney. As for what Fox can and can't release, again it's hard to say. As evidenced by the upcoming DVD/Blu-ray combos, Fox can at least re-release material they already have. Whether that extends to them being able to restore and release the OOT on their own is anyone's guess.
This is an excellent article if you want to know about the state of the OOT, and what was done to it when creating the SEs:
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html
The short version is that the films weren't completely digitally scanned to make the SEs, and most of the restoration in '97 was done photochemically. Parts that were replaced with new digital effects weren't restored at all. Lucasfilm likely still has all the original elements though, so a digital restoration is still possible.
http://secrethistoryofstarwars.com/savingstarwars.html
The short version is that the films weren't completely digitally scanned to make the SEs, and most of the restoration in '97 was done photochemically. Parts that were replaced with new digital effects weren't restored at all. Lucasfilm likely still has all the original elements though, so a digital restoration is still possible.
We could all dress up like hipsters, and make fun of our exes. Yeah.
08-05-13, 03:02 PM
#3298
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re: Star Wars
http://www.wjla.com/articles/2012/12...ss--83471.html
While the percentage of digital downloads continues to increase, a revival of vinyl sales has, as well. According to Statista, album sales were relatively flat from 1993 (roughly a third of a million vinyl albums) to 2007 before things began to pick up in 2008, and 3.9 million albums were sold in 2011.
About a dozen pressing plants have sprouted up in the United States, along with the few that survived from the first vinyl era, and they say business is so brisk that they are working to capacity. Thomas Bernich, who started Brooklyn Phono in 2000, says his company makes about 440,000 LPs a year, but a giant like Rainbo Records, in Canoga Park, Calif., turns out 6 million to 7.2 million, said Steve Sheldon, its general manager.
According to the Nielsen Co. SoundScan and Billboard’s 2012 Music Industry Report, vinyl-album sales in the U.S. rose to 4.6 million, up from 3.9 million in 2011. Last month, the International Federation of the Phonographic Industry reported vinyl sales reached $171 million worldwide in 2012, compared with $53 million in 2007...
Mary Papenhausen, a buyer and promotions director for Zia Record Exchange, which has eight locations, including four in the Phoenix metro area, said vinyl represents about 15 percent of Zia’s sales today, compared with about 2 percent a decade ago.
Mary Papenhausen, a buyer and promotions director for Zia Record Exchange, which has eight locations, including four in the Phoenix metro area, said vinyl represents about 15 percent of Zia’s sales today, compared with about 2 percent a decade ago.
Here's the latest chart from Paul Resnikoff at Digital Music News: projected U.S. vinyl music sales for 2013, based on first-half data from Nielsen Soundscan. This is no longer a fad
08-07-13, 09:08 PM
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re: Star Wars
Doesn't the Library of Congress have good prints of the originals? Seems to me these movies were included in their film preservation program. Even if Lucas himself never allows it, they exist and could be reproduced someday long after he's gone. They've already up and done it to Kubrick, against his and his family's continued wishes, with Fear and Desire.
