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09-19-11, 08:27 AM
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re: Star Wars
I swear Lucas could take a dump in every boxset, and people would still buy it, "I know this boxset smells like shit, but its still Star Wars!"
09-19-11, 08:28 AM
#2777
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Yep, that this is why any of us are still subjected to this nonsense. If some people who claim to love movies in general or even just a "fan" of SW would stop buying into this drivel, we'd have what we were meant to have this entire time.
09-19-11, 10:09 AM
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I love movies in general and bought the set. I understand there's a "principle" thing about not supporting movies because they shouldn't be tampered with, but the end result of my viewing experience doesn't really change after everything that's been done.
09-19-11, 10:24 AM
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Bought the set Saturday at Target (with the lithographs) and am happy with it. I grew up with the OT and while I'm not happy that I will likely NEVER seem them as I did on the big screen as a kid on a current format, I still enjoy them enough that I'm not going to pass them up now that they are out in a hi-def format. I guess, like many of you, I could simply break out one of the many untouched versions I have on VHS or laser if I REALLY had to watch them as they were.
After finally seeing some of the more famous deleted scenes, I wish he WOULD make some changes! Adding in at least some of the earlier Biggs scenes would make his reunion with him and his subsequent death at the end of ANH more meaningful.
Love what could have been the opening scenes on Tatooine in ROTJ.
Anyway, enjoying the set so far. It is what it is. The good thing about it is, if you don't want to buy them, you don't have to. I guess that's why I don't understand all the complaining.
After finally seeing some of the more famous deleted scenes, I wish he WOULD make some changes! Adding in at least some of the earlier Biggs scenes would make his reunion with him and his subsequent death at the end of ANH more meaningful.
Love what could have been the opening scenes on Tatooine in ROTJ.
Anyway, enjoying the set so far. It is what it is. The good thing about it is, if you don't want to buy them, you don't have to. I guess that's why I don't understand all the complaining.
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09-19-11, 10:30 AM
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If you're a director and you couldn't release the film you wanted to make due to factors outside of your control, like studio politics, the MPAA giving the film a harder rating than desired, budgetary issues, whatever. Then you're allowed to make a director's cut.
If you're a director and you got to make the film you wanted, why are you going back to the well? Do you have no other ideas? "Well, technology is better now than it was in 1977." No, get out of here.
How many times has Ridley Scott gone back to the well and edited Alien and Blade Runner? However, what's been present on the DVD and Blu-ray releases of those films? All of the cuts starting with the theatrical. James Cameron, who practically now swims in money like Scrooge McDuck, what does he do? He makes multiple cuts of his films like Aliens, The Abyss, T2, Avatar, etc. What's on the DVD and Blu-ray release of those films? All of the multiple cuts.
I used to be a fan of Star Wars, but the way Lucas has been treating his fans for years has just put me off. Paramount has learned (some of) the errors of the ways with the way they treated the Star Trek franchise. You think maybe Lucas would do the same...
09-19-11, 10:32 AM
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Exactly as you hear the constant rationale as to why fans are buying despite that they hate Lucas constant tinkering, "But....its Star Wars!"
I swear Lucas could take a dump in every boxset, and people would still buy it, "I know this boxset smells like shit, but its still Star Wars!"
I swear Lucas could take a dump in every boxset, and people would still buy it, "I know this boxset smells like shit, but its still Star Wars!"
09-19-11, 10:34 AM
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Sure you would get the nitpickers, but that would be about 1% of the fanbase. I have friends who don't post on the internet, don't hate Lucas at all, enjoy the PT, but are shaking their heads at the constant changes every several years. One of my friends is a huge Lucas defender, but he couldn't believe the NOOOO change in Jedi.
And please stop he is in a no way situation. If he released the OOT fully restored in 2004 with the SE back then on DVD, there wouldnt be loads of frustrated fans like you hear now. This has built up for years because we know there is some bullshit that will accompany every SW release.
And please stop he is in a no way situation. If he released the OOT fully restored in 2004 with the SE back then on DVD, there wouldnt be loads of frustrated fans like you hear now. This has built up for years because we know there is some bullshit that will accompany every SW release.
And remember how long it took to get ANYTHING "Star Wars" AT ALL on DVD?? When The Phantom Menace came out, it was only on VHS (and on Laserdisc in Japan, no US release.) The reason was that Lucas wanted to "do something REALLY special" with the DVD release, but it would have to wait since he was working on Episode II- like it would take as much work as shooting an entire movie to make a fucking DVD of a movie that's already been made. I never bought it on DVD when it did come out later, but I heard it wasn't worth the wait (merit of the movie itself notwithstanding- I won't get into bashing it, I just accept it for what it is.)
09-19-11, 10:36 AM
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Yes, I was part of the problem in 2004. I kept thinking it was just a matter of time before the originals hit. Call me a hopeless romantic, but I thought the 30th anniversary was a good time to do it. Did he in 2007? Yes, but the non-anamorphic table scraps he threw us wasn't enough for me. In fact, all it did was make me realize his full mentality.
I haven't given his empire a single cent since then and I was a very big fanboy.
I haven't given his empire a single cent since then and I was a very big fanboy.
09-19-11, 10:41 AM
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Sorry for being one of the people "ruining" it for the fans by not purchasing the set
09-19-11, 10:51 AM
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Even with the changes, I'm still enjoying the hell outta this set. I think it's kind of funny though how with all the changes Lucas has made, there are still glaring issues. For example, the FOX fanfare in the beginning of Episode IV sounds like absolute garbage. Why not just sub in the fanfare from any of the movies for continuity? I'd rather just have the originals, but if you're gonna make updates, then make some good ones.
09-19-11, 11:05 AM
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I'm proud to ruin it for you whiners and complainers. This blu-ray set is nothing short of AMAZING. My wife and I have spent the whole weekend devouring each and every moment and we could not be more pleased.
The haters are going to hate and the real irony is that they are depriving themselves of a sublime experience over a change that amounts to .005% of total screen time.
Go ahead and boycott. No one will even notice that you are gone and THAT bothers you more than the actual changes do. These films belong to George Lucas and he can do what he damn well pleases with them. If you want the originals, simply invent a time machine, go back in time, create Star Wars and then you will have a say. Otherwise STFU! George does not need you and everyone else is sick of the bitching.
The haters are going to hate and the real irony is that they are depriving themselves of a sublime experience over a change that amounts to .005% of total screen time.
Go ahead and boycott. No one will even notice that you are gone and THAT bothers you more than the actual changes do. These films belong to George Lucas and he can do what he damn well pleases with them. If you want the originals, simply invent a time machine, go back in time, create Star Wars and then you will have a say. Otherwise STFU! George does not need you and everyone else is sick of the bitching.
09-19-11, 11:16 AM
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I'm proud to ruin it for you whiners and complainers. This blu-ray set is nothing short of AMAZING. My wife and I have spent the whole weekend devouring each and every moment and we could not be more pleased.
The haters are going to hate and the real irony is that they are depriving themselves of a sublime experience over a change that amounts to .005% of total screen time.
Go ahead and boycott. No one will even notice that you are gone and THAT bothers you more than the actual changes do. These films belong to George Lucas and he can do what he damn well pleases with them. If you want the originals, simply invent a time machine, go back in time, create Star Wars and then you will have a say. Otherwise STFU! George does not need you and everyone else is sick of the bitching.
The haters are going to hate and the real irony is that they are depriving themselves of a sublime experience over a change that amounts to .005% of total screen time.
Go ahead and boycott. No one will even notice that you are gone and THAT bothers you more than the actual changes do. These films belong to George Lucas and he can do what he damn well pleases with them. If you want the originals, simply invent a time machine, go back in time, create Star Wars and then you will have a say. Otherwise STFU! George does not need you and everyone else is sick of the bitching.
That's fine, you can have your pretty package with all the gloss and sheen, but it's still an inadequate product. I'd rather have the content I want. Since that's not there, I'm not losing any sleep over it. There's plenty more out there to enjoy in this day and age, I don't feel obligated to buy into this crap yet again.
09-19-11, 11:37 AM
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How much more are people going to keep posting in this thread that they're NOT going to buy it? Okay, it's not for you, so why keep posting in this thread? Move on...
09-19-11, 11:40 AM
#2790
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re: Star Wars
The haters are going to hate and the real irony is that they are depriving themselves of a sublime experience over a change that amounts to .005% of total screen time.
However, it's amazing what an affect a change of a single second can make. And Lucas had made several questionable changes of that sort of impact.
Go ahead and boycott. No one will even notice that you are gone and THAT bothers you more than the actual changes do.
These films belong to George Lucas and he can do what he damn well pleases with them.
http://savestarwars.com/lucasspeecha...aledition.html
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Originally Posted by George Lucas
A copyright is held in trust by its owner until it ultimately reverts to public domain. American works of art belong to the American public; they are part of our cultural history...
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians.. it will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control....
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten...
The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests.
People who alter or destroy works of art and our cultural heritage for profit or as an exercise of power are barbarians.. it will soon be possible to create a new "original" negative with whatever changes or alterations the copyright holder of the moment desires. The copyright holders, so far, have not been completely diligent in preserving the original negatives of films they control....
In the future it will become even easier for old negatives to become lost and be "replaced" by new altered negatives. This would be a great loss to our society. Our cultural history must not be allowed to be rewritten...
The public's interest is ultimately dominant over all other interests.
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09-19-11, 12:02 PM
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I'm proud to ruin it for you whiners and complainers.
The haters are going to hate and the real irony is that they are depriving themselves of a sublime experience over a change that amounts to .005% of total screen time.
Go ahead and boycott. No one will even notice that you are gone and THAT bothers you more than the actual changes do. These films belong to George Lucas and he can do what he damn well pleases with them. If you want the originals, simply invent a time machine, go back in time, create Star Wars and then you will have a say. Otherwise STFU! George does not need you and everyone else is sick of the bitching.
The haters are going to hate and the real irony is that they are depriving themselves of a sublime experience over a change that amounts to .005% of total screen time.
Go ahead and boycott. No one will even notice that you are gone and THAT bothers you more than the actual changes do. These films belong to George Lucas and he can do what he damn well pleases with them. If you want the originals, simply invent a time machine, go back in time, create Star Wars and then you will have a say. Otherwise STFU! George does not need you and everyone else is sick of the bitching.
NOTHING you have said or could possibly say affects me in the slightest regarding this Blu-ray release. Can't speak for anyone else but you place far too much importance on your one insignificant opinion.
My opinion is just as insignificant.
Therefore nothing anyone here says will really make a difference to anyone else either way.
Ruin it for whiners and complainers?
Get over yourself.
09-19-11, 12:04 PM
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I am really enjoying this set so far. I spent the weekend going throught the bonus discs, which are much better than expected. There's a plethura of info on all 6 movies on discs 7 and 8, and the docs are pretty cool on disc 9.
The Star Warriors doc in particular was really interesting. It was like watching a Star Wars fanatics reality show. The part that really touched me was the guy who's son had Lukemia...really sad story.
So far as the movies go I've watched Ep I and II. TPM is leaps and bounds better than the dvd. The pink is gone and the picture is glorious in most places except for a few moment with some DNR. It doesn't ruin the experience though. AOTC looks great as well, but it's hard to appreciate it because the DVD looked great too. I'm hearing that ROTS is Avatar level in terms of PQ so I'm looking forward to that.
The audio on these films will blow your windows off. The podrace scene in particular was amazing on all levels, and the surround channels really got a workout.
The Star Warriors doc in particular was really interesting. It was like watching a Star Wars fanatics reality show. The part that really touched me was the guy who's son had Lukemia...really sad story.
So far as the movies go I've watched Ep I and II. TPM is leaps and bounds better than the dvd. The pink is gone and the picture is glorious in most places except for a few moment with some DNR. It doesn't ruin the experience though. AOTC looks great as well, but it's hard to appreciate it because the DVD looked great too. I'm hearing that ROTS is Avatar level in terms of PQ so I'm looking forward to that.
The audio on these films will blow your windows off. The podrace scene in particular was amazing on all levels, and the surround channels really got a workout.
09-19-11, 12:09 PM
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I bought the set because I love ESB. I don't believe I am contributing the problem and here's why.... Lucas is going to do whatever he wants. Whether he sells a billion copies or a hundred. All these Blu-ray sales probably won't make him what his merchandise does in a single month. So I don't think that voting with your wallet is really going to make a difference.
Having said that, I wish Lucas would remember where he came from, an auteur born out of that late 60's/early 70's rebellious era in Hollywood. Guys like Scorsese, Coppola, and Spielberg making movies because they loved movies. I wish he saw Blu-ray as not just a product to market like his action figures but as something for film buffs as well. I feel like his attitude is almost like "Want to watch the original Star Wars trilogy? Go find a 35mm print in a museum." It's just disappointing.
Having said that, I wish Lucas would remember where he came from, an auteur born out of that late 60's/early 70's rebellious era in Hollywood. Guys like Scorsese, Coppola, and Spielberg making movies because they loved movies. I wish he saw Blu-ray as not just a product to market like his action figures but as something for film buffs as well. I feel like his attitude is almost like "Want to watch the original Star Wars trilogy? Go find a 35mm print in a museum." It's just disappointing.
09-19-11, 12:12 PM
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THIS! It isn't like you are visiting this thread looking for news about the set. You know what the set is and isn't. You keep posting just to say LOOK AT ME!!! I'm in the .000000001% minority, BUT I'M GONNA BE HEARD, REGARDLESS OF HOW IGNORANT I LOOK!
09-19-11, 12:20 PM
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09-19-11, 12:42 PM
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09-19-11, 12:43 PM
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And I wonder how many of those guys will actually stick to their guns and not eventually pick it up. Yes the OOT is not on this set, but if you're a Star Wars fan, you're missing out if you don't pick up this set.
09-19-11, 12:49 PM
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1,457.999997% of us.
09-19-11, 12:53 PM
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I bought the set because I love ESB. I don't believe I am contributing the problem and here's why.... Lucas is going to do whatever he wants. Whether he sells a billion copies or a hundred. All these Blu-ray sales probably won't make him what his merchandise does in a single month. So I don't think that voting with your wallet is really going to make a difference.