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A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2010

Disney will go down in Blu-ray history as the first studio to announce a true 3D title for general release (not tied to the purchase of certain 3D hardware). On November 16, the studio will release the Robert Zemeckis-directed CGI movie A Christmas Carol, starring a motion-captured Jim Carrey, in two BD editions: a single-disc release, and a 4-disc combo pack, including no fewer than four incarnations of the movie: conventional BD, DVD, digital copy and 3D BD.

Special features include:

* BonusView: Behind the Carol - the full motion capture experience (BD-exclusive)
* Digital Advent Calendar (BD-exclusive)
* Capturing A Christmas Carol
* On Set with Sammi
* Deleted scenes
* Scrooge's Wild Ride (3D BD exclusive)

List price is $39.99 for the single-disc release and $49.99 for the 4-disc combo.
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Old 05-22-10, 07:38 PM
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Oh boy, Enjoy guys. If you want the most complete copy you gotta shell out some major coinage for it (especially since 99% of people getting the Combo pack will now get a useless 3D BD which kinda makes the whole idea of the recent Combo packs Disney/Warner/Universal etc having been trying to do useless. It's no longer trying to be a bridge current DVD owners and potential future BD owners, but just general raping).

I Wonder why it's (3D/Normal BD) not on the same disc?

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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Well, about the 3D version being "useless," I'd actually rather have that than the digital copy or DVD, but that's just me. At least I might use that disc someday.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Originally Posted by Drexl View Post
Well, about the 3D version being "useless," I'd actually rather have that than the digital copy or DVD, but that's just me. At least I might use that disc someday.
Ditto. I don't use the digital copies or DVDs ever.

But aren't 3DBD movies supposed to be backwards compatible with standard BD players (playing back in 2D rather than 3D)? Why the separate disc?
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Originally Posted by RocShemp View Post
Ditto. I don't use the digital copies or DVDs ever.

But aren't 3DBD movies supposed to be backwards compatible with standard BD players (playing back in 2D rather than 3D)? Why the separate disc?
An excuse to raise the MSRP and get more money? I'm baffled by it especially after all the crap we heard about them being on one disc.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

3D movies are going to need more disc space to achieve the same quality. Given that the movie and extras will be on one disc, including the 3D version may have been too much. Then again, it's only 98 minutes. We'll see how much space they actually used.

And of course, as Gizmo said, they wouldn't want you to get the 3D version if you don't pony up for the combo set, would they?
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

So does this mean Im not gonna be able to pick up this Disney combo-pack for under $10 now??
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Originally Posted by Drexl View Post
3D movies are going to need more disc space to achieve the same quality. Given that the movie and extras will be on one disc, including the 3D version may have been too much. Then again, it's only 98 minutes. We'll see how much space they actually used.

And of course, as Gizmo said, they wouldn't want you to get the 3D version if you don't pony up for the combo set, would they?
But why not relegate the special features to a separate BD sans movie. You can still charge extra for the 3D version or keep the price the same to more easily entice potential customers. $50 will probably be too much for most folk. I know I'd wait for a price drop.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Maybe the 3D BD includes both new tech stereoscopic 3D and old tech anaglyph 3D.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Will the 3D BD only work on the 3D BD players? That's the only reasoning behind why it's a separate disc.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

So is this actually going to be in 3-d, or is it going to be the same shit that we have seen recently with the 3-d in theaters? Where ticketgoers were charged more for a nonexistant 3-d experience.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Originally Posted by jjcool View Post
So is this actually going to be in 3-d, or is it going to be the same shit that we have seen recently with the 3-d in theaters? Where ticketgoers were charged more for a nonexistant 3-d experience.
Since the whole movie is rendered in CGI, it should look very 3D even at home.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

In theaters this was awesome in 3D. In fact, the Zemeckis Christmas movies (this and The Polar Express if that comes out in true 3D) might be enough to push me to get a 3D TV next time they are on sale. I guess I just love movies where it's snowing in 3D.

I guess I'll be getting the four disc. Should hopefully only be $30-$35 when released.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Originally Posted by The Monkees View Post
Will the 3D BD only work on the 3D BD players? That's the only reasoning behind why it's a separate disc.
The 3D BD format is supposed to work on all BD players. The 3D version has an image for each eye, and to watch it in 2D it plays only the video for the left or right eye.

It's possible that the bundle contains old school and new school 3D. After all, the new 3D version is only going to be good for a very small number of customers at first. Of course, then they'd be cramming the equivalent of about 2.5 transfers on one disc, but again it's only 98 minutes so it may not be an issue.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

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Oh boy, Enjoy guys. If you want the most complete copy you gotta shell out some major coinage for it
It is a Disney title....which past releases have shown MSRP to not be a true indicator of what an actual final cost to the consumer will be....chances are there will be a $10 off coupon for the combo pack, and the actual cost will be no more than $20 despite the $50 MSRP.....

People complained when Monster's Inc was announced as a 4-disc set with a $44.99 MSRP, and most people were able to grab that one for next to nothing....if there is one thing Disney has proven, it is that their inflated MSRPs do not really have a major influence on our true final price....
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

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It is a Disney title....which past releases have shown MSRP to not be a true indicator of what an actual final cost to the consumer will be....chances are there will be a $10 off coupon for the combo pack, and the actual cost will be no more than $20 despite the $50 MSRP.....

People complained when Monster's Inc was announced as a 4-disc set with a $44.99 MSRP, and most people were able to grab that one for next to nothing....if there is one thing Disney has proven, it is that their inflated MSRPs do not really have a major influence on our true final price....
Except this has a $5 increase in MSRP and has a extra 3D Blu-ray inside which is a bit more valuable than a DVD or DC to Disney. It's all how much Disney offers it to stores (wholesale price-wise).
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

I'm surprised this isn't $59.99, actually.

Hey isn't a 3D disc supposed to be readable on a regular Blu-ray player... or is than an authoring option? Is this pack gonna contain two disc playable in a regular BR players?!??
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Will the 3D version cure Zemeckis' characters of their zombie-like dead eyes?
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

I'll buy the single disc for the Cary Elwes special features
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

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Will the 3D version cure Zemeckis' characters of their zombie-like dead eyes?
Not unless Zemeckis decides to substitute real actors for the CG in the 3D version.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Originally Posted by Drexl View Post
Well, about the 3D version being "useless," I'd actually rather have that than the digital copy or DVD, but that's just me. At least I might use that disc someday.
I'm with you on the digital copy. I do like the DVD. I for one will not have 3D in my house. No really need too, and I really do not plan too.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Drop the dvd and digital copy with this set. People interested in the 3D presentation probably do not have need for either of those other formats so dump them already. Drop the MSRP to $30 and call it good. Disney is catering to too many groups with this one IMHO.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

So I got the retail release of this today. I'll explain how Disney is doing 3D on Blu-ray.

The 4 disc set includes
3D BD
2D BD
DVD
DC

The 3D BD will NOT play in a normal BD player. Period. You need to have a 3D BD Player AND a 3D TV for it to even load. So no 2D playback on it. It also included only 1 Bonus feature (even though it's a 50GB Disc), while the 2D BD has the rest. I guess this is so people won't keep the 3D BD (i.e. they have 1 3D BD player and several other BD players and would sell off the 2D BD). If you don't care about Special Features, and only plan on watching it in 3D, well, you should be happy. This makes sense as a 3D and 2D of the film + Special Features likely wouldn't fit on 1 BD50.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

To be honest, I don't think that's a bad way to do it. While I don't necessarily think that disc space is a big issue for many titles, a 3D version is going to be more of a strain on available bandwidth. A 2D title can have bitrate peaks of up to 40Mbps, but with 3D video the bits have to get divided between two images. Granted, there is redundancy in the images, but it's still going to limit the potential quality of a 2D image.

Whether it's actually visually noticeable is a different story, but I'm still not comfortable with a reduction in effective bitrate. Add in possible consumer confusion, and it may indeed be best to use separate discs for 2D and 3D.
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Re: A Christmas Carol - 1 Disc and 4 Disc (BD, 3D BD, DC, DVD; $49.99) ----> 11/16/2

Originally Posted by Drexl View Post
To be honest, I don't think that's a bad way to do it. While I don't necessarily think that disc space is a big issue for many titles, a 3D version is going to be more of a strain on available bandwidth. A 2D title can have bitrate peaks of up to 40Mbps, but with 3D video the bits have to get divided between two images. Granted, there is redundancy in the images, but it's still going to limit the potential quality of a 2D image.

Whether it's actually visually noticeable is a different story, but I'm still not comfortable with a reduction in effective bitrate. Add in possible consumer confusion, and it may indeed be best to use separate discs for 2D and 3D.
I prefer this way as well. The 2D won't suffer any downgrades to squeeze a 3D version on the disc. But for some films (short run time, limited special features) it's very possible. This was my problem when 3D BD was initially announced - the 2D suffering. But now that I'm 3D, well, fuck all of you

The good part is I don't care about 2D or Special Features, so I'll wind up just selling off the 2D BD, DVD and DC. This should work well for these type of releases and likely net me a profit for the 3D releases I do buy (like Despiciable Me).

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