Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
07-30-09, 06:37 PM
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Re: Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
How is this complicated? It seems like a great* way for the studios to reintroduce rental windows that were prevalent on VHS.
Also, I doubt there will be much debate here since we all own BD players. A more lively debate would happen if this were in the DVD forum.
*great for them, not consumers
Also, I doubt there will be much debate here since we all own BD players. A more lively debate would happen if this were in the DVD forum.
*great for them, not consumers
I think it would be absolutely asinine to alienate the overwhelming majority of you consumer base to try to push something on them. Two or three years from now, if the format continues to grow? Maybe.
I think alienating any potential sale is business suicide. If they brought the actual price of a BD closer to what most (and I would even say most HERE in this forum) would consider the percieved value would be the best route to increased adoption.
Making it "harder" for a consumer to find your product that meets their needs in not smart.
07-30-09, 06:49 PM
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I think it's absolutely a shitty thing for people who own DVD. I really only buy shit on Blu-ray anymore whenever the option is available. I love my Blu-ray collection. However, not everyone cares about HD, not everyone has an HDTV, and they deserve to remains as part of the same market as everyone else.
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07-31-09, 12:05 AM
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The thing is though, iam not sure most regular consumers would care or for that matter or even be upset by this, since dvd sales are way down. though really they should be, I had always been afraid of the day that the studios would consider making dvd into the same type or rental format that vhs was for the vast majority of titles. thank god its only now after i have moved on to bluray that this is being considered. just glad that bluray will be day and date with the dvd rental period on this if this is something that continues.
though i have a feeling as with vhs, the big must have blockbusters will still release the same day as the blu and the dvd rentals. examples being star trek and transformers.
though i have a feeling as with vhs, the big must have blockbusters will still release the same day as the blu and the dvd rentals. examples being star trek and transformers.
Aside from Dance Flick being a film no one cares about...
I hope they don't inflate the 'sale' price just because its the only version available. Other then that, cool. At this point, I don't even care anymore. Let the studios do what they want to do because they will either make the format a success or throw it into niche. Regular consumers and retailers won't be happy by this move "where is the DVD?".
I hope they don't inflate the 'sale' price just because its the only version available. Other then that, cool. At this point, I don't even care anymore. Let the studios do what they want to do because they will either make the format a success or throw it into niche. Regular consumers and retailers won't be happy by this move "where is the DVD?".
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I think Studios will use it as a way to keep BR prices up with these exclusive windows when you can not buy the dvd. Until the prices become more inline with dvd prices the market will never take hold. I love my BR but I do think the prices are way overpriced and unless I find them cheap I just rent. Watchmen is the perfect example. $10.00/dvd and $25.00/BR. I don't think that kind of price difference is justified.
07-31-09, 09:47 AM
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The thing is though, iam not sure most regular consumers would care or for that matter or even be upset by this, since dvd sales are way down. though really they should be, I had always been afraid of the day that the studios would consider making dvd into the same type or rental format that vhs was for the vast majority of titles. thank god its only now after i have moved on to bluray that this is being considered. just glad that bluray will be day and date with the dvd rental period on this if this is something that continues.
though i have a feeling as with vhs, the big must have blockbusters will still release the same day as the blu and the dvd rentals. examples being star trek and transformers.
though i have a feeling as with vhs, the big must have blockbusters will still release the same day as the blu and the dvd rentals. examples being star trek and transformers.
Not to turn this into a sales thread, but this is the amount of revenue for the Watchmen week
DVD BD
183.30 35.21
No way will the studios toss aside 80% of their revenue.
(the 'you' etc. not directed at you but at the base of people)
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07-31-09, 10:09 AM
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Re: Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
I think Studios will use it as a way to keep BR prices up with these exclusive windows when you can not buy the dvd. Until the prices become more inline with dvd prices the market will never take hold. I love my BR but I do think the prices are way overpriced and unless I find them cheap I just rent. Watchmen is the perfect example. $10.00/dvd and $25.00/BR. I don't think that kind of price difference is justified.
If a new release is only on bluray, they can slap a $30 price tag on it without having the $15 dvd sitting next to it on the shelf, enticing early adopters away from the bluray with it's lower price.
There have been a few instances on releases I wasn't super interested in that I went with the dvd instead of bluray only because of price - but then if I only had the choice of bluray on those movies that I was already waffling on, I probably wouldn't buy them at all.
07-31-09, 12:37 PM
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This isn't going to make much of a difference with increasing the sales of BD releases. It'll fail and they'll kill the experiment.
07-31-09, 05:21 PM
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yes you are right bluray sales are in no way near the same levels as dvd (that is why i did not even mention anything dvd vs bluray)
DVD sales however are down quite a bit though according to the studios this is why they are trying new things and experimenting, i mean come on you live in L.A. surely you read the bussiness section the other day and saw the article that was written about the slump in dvd sales.
And it only reasons to think paramount is not the only studio that is toying with the idea of having dvd be a rental market, similar to VHS was back in the day when you read quotes from studio execs in the trades and bussiness section..
Rentals are up right now and sales are down, aside from event titles such as watchmen and upcomming releases like transformers 2 and star trek, and harry potter.(which were the types of titles that primarily would get day and date rental and sales back in the VHS days. And the studios know they can allways count on bofo sales from a big summer blockbusters, but when it comes to titles like dance flick or Aliens in the attic or imagine that they could probably see a little bit of an increase in revenue, with haveing a rental window for dvd.
in anycase hopefully this is a one time thing that will not be to succesfull for them though.
oh incase you didnt see it in print the other day here is a link to the article
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,3927687.story
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DVD sales however are down quite a bit though according to the studios this is why they are trying new things and experimenting, i mean come on you live in L.A. surely you read the bussiness section the other day and saw the article that was written about the slump in dvd sales.
And it only reasons to think paramount is not the only studio that is toying with the idea of having dvd be a rental market, similar to VHS was back in the day when you read quotes from studio execs in the trades and bussiness section..
Rentals are up right now and sales are down, aside from event titles such as watchmen and upcomming releases like transformers 2 and star trek, and harry potter.(which were the types of titles that primarily would get day and date rental and sales back in the VHS days. And the studios know they can allways count on bofo sales from a big summer blockbusters, but when it comes to titles like dance flick or Aliens in the attic or imagine that they could probably see a little bit of an increase in revenue, with haveing a rental window for dvd.
in anycase hopefully this is a one time thing that will not be to succesfull for them though.
oh incase you didnt see it in print the other day here is a link to the article
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,3927687.story
.
DVD sales are not "way" down. Don't believe the extreme Blu-ray fanboys. After 10+ years on the market they are finally dipping a bit. Sure, you can point out big Blu-ray releases like Watchhmen, Quantum of Solace etc and I can point out a dozen DVDs that sold well over a million copies. DVD won't be a 'rental' only when 90%+ of sales of a title are DVD. Studios are still skipping over potential Blu-ray releases.
Not to turn this into a sales thread, but this is the amount of revenue for the Watchmen week
DVD BD
183.30 35.21
No way will the studios toss aside 80% of their revenue.
(the 'you' etc. not directed at you but at the base of people)
Not to turn this into a sales thread, but this is the amount of revenue for the Watchmen week
DVD BD
183.30 35.21
No way will the studios toss aside 80% of their revenue.
(the 'you' etc. not directed at you but at the base of people)
Last edited by AmityBoatTours; 07-31-09 at 05:47 PM.
07-31-09, 05:41 PM
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Re: Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
First of all dont make me out to be a extreme fanboy, i never once said anything about Bluray sales vs dvd sales, so just drop that B.S. right there buddy boy.
here is the only thing i said pertaining to bluray "just glad that bluray will be day and date with the dvd rental period on this if this is something that continues"
and if you dont want to believe dvd sales are way down then you are in a fantasy world cause they are, according to the studios this is why they are trying new things and experimenting, i mean come on you live in L.A. surely you read the bussiness section the other day and saw the article that was written about the slump in dvd sales.
and if you think paramount is the only studio that is toying with the idea of having dvd be a rental market, similar to VHS now then your not paying attention to the trades or the bussiness section.
Rentals are way way up right now and sales are down, aside from event titles such as watchmen and upcomming releases like transformers 2 and star trek, and harry potter.(which were the types of titles that primarily would get day and date rental and sales back in the VHS days.
oh incase you didnt see it in print the other day here is a link to the article
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,3927687.story
.
here is the only thing i said pertaining to bluray "just glad that bluray will be day and date with the dvd rental period on this if this is something that continues"
and if you dont want to believe dvd sales are way down then you are in a fantasy world cause they are, according to the studios this is why they are trying new things and experimenting, i mean come on you live in L.A. surely you read the bussiness section the other day and saw the article that was written about the slump in dvd sales.
and if you think paramount is the only studio that is toying with the idea of having dvd be a rental market, similar to VHS now then your not paying attention to the trades or the bussiness section.
Rentals are way way up right now and sales are down, aside from event titles such as watchmen and upcomming releases like transformers 2 and star trek, and harry potter.(which were the types of titles that primarily would get day and date rental and sales back in the VHS days.
oh incase you didnt see it in print the other day here is a link to the article
http://www.latimes.com/entertainment...,3927687.story
.
As I already posted, sales are not down as much as others may want you to believe. Sales are slowing because DVD is a 10+ year old format that has maxed out its potential customer base. Blu-ray is growing. Blu-ray will continue to climb in sales until it also hits its potential customer base. When will that be? No one knows. You do know we are in a recession so people are renting more for $1-$5 a day/week rather than spending $15-$35 on a DVD/Blu-ray. That is why the rental market is seeing a jump. It's cheap entertainment for people who don't want to spend money on trips or simply have nothing better to do while sitting at home looking for a job.
Here is a look at DVD/BD Sales per week:
Date DVD Blu-ray DVD+BD BD
2009
07/26/09 183.30 35.21 218.51 16.11% 19.21 16% (BD+471.79% +14.75% DVD TL +31.71% YTY)
07/19/09 127.89 11.18 139.07 8.04% 8.74 8% (BD +90.63% -17.43% DVD TL -13.48% YTY)
07/12/09 145.03 16.16 161.19 10.03% 11.14 13% (BD+149.25% -8.85% DVD TL -2.66% YTY)
07/05/09 144.31 10.73 155.04 6.92% 7.44 10% (BD +77.33% -14.03% DVD TL -10.85% YTY) 3Q 2009
06/28/09 143.97 14.48 158.45 9.14% 10.06 12% (BD+111.85% -19.60% DVD TL -14.77% YTY)
06/21/09 234.00 20.80 254.80 8.16% 8.89 8% (BD+218.74% +37.35% DVD TL +44.04% YTY)
06/14/09 188.59 19.92 208.51 9.55% 10.56 13% (BD+103.16% -14.69% DVD TL -09.69% YTY)
06/07/09 159.10 16.03 175.13 9.15% 10.08 12% (BD+107.75% -06.83% DVD TL -01.87% YTY)
05/31/09 147.14 14.06 161.20 8.72% 9.56 12% (BD +81.72% -17.58% DVD TL -13.45% YTY)
05/24/09 178.53 20.92 199.45 10.49% 11.72 14% (BD+119.47% -13.10% DVD TL -07.23% YTY)
05/17/09 187.96 23.69 211.65 11.19% 12.60 15% (BD+285.12% +07.71% DVD TL +17.15% YTY)
05/10/09 165.23 16.52 181.75 9.09% 10.00 10% (BD+226.95% -03.90% DVD TL +02.69% YTY)
05/03/09 154.42 15.09 169.51 8.90% 9.77 10% (BD+176.73% -05.24% DVD TL +00.66% YTY)
04/26/09 165.58 19.42 184.99 10.50% 11.73 14% (BD +43.76% -21.75% DVD TL -17.82% YTY)
04/19/09 135.79 10.79 146.58 7.36% 7.94 12% (BD +15.31% -31.37% DVD TL -28.57% YTY)
04/12/09 296.43 19.56 315.99 6.19% 6.60 7% (BD+172.86% +27.63% DVD TL +33.44% YTY)
04/05/09 246.24 17.24 263.47 6.54% 7.00 10% (BD+130.70% +01.73% DVD TL +06.89% YTY) (2Q 2009)
03/29/09 264.73 24.03 288.76 8.32% 9.08 13% (BD+164.64% +87.76% DVD TL +93.91% YTY)
03/22/09 237.16 18.79 255.95 7.34% 7.92 9% (BD +05.89% -02.08% DVD TL -01.37% YTY)
03/15/09 208.32 16.75 225.06 7.44% 8.04 12% (BD +51.53% -10.87% DVD TL -07.13% YTY)
03/08/09 167.71 10.61 178.32 5.95% 6.33 10% (BD +69.04% -17.54% DVD TL -14.08% YTY)
03/01/09 186.58 11.85 198.43 5.97% 6.35 8% (BD +46.36% -10.16% DVD TL -7.33% YTY)
02/22/09 191.22 13.28 204.50 6.49% 6.94 10% (BD +29.31% -11.94% DVD TL -9.47% YTY)
02/15/09 207.02 10.78 217.80 4.95% 5.21 8% (BD +33.27% -00.25% DVD TL +1.42% YTY)
02/08/09 191.84 11.00 202.84 5.42% 5.73 7% (BD +61.03% -13.32% DVD TL -10.33% YTY)
02/01/09 155.74 10.27 166.01 6.18% 6.59 14% (BD +68.41% -24.30% DVD TL -20.96% YTY)
01/25/09 147.10 15.66 162.76 9.62% 10.65 17% (BD+165.35% -26.80% DVD TL -21.32% YTY)
01/18/09 132.80 10.56 143.37 7.37% 7.95 12% (BD +62.99% -27.01% DVD TL -23.91% YTY)
01/11/09 149.56 18.71 168.27 11.12% 12.51 13% (BD+207.95% -12.32% DVD TL - 4.75% YTY)
01/04/09 179.32 24.33 203.65 11.95% 13.57 16% (BD+231.89% -12.88% DVD TL - 4.46% YTY)
2008
07/27/08 159.73 6.16 165.89 3.71% 3.85 9%
07/20/08 154.88 5.86 160.74 3.65% 3.79 8%
07/06/08 167.85 6.05 173.91 3.48% 3.61 7%
06/29/08 179.07 6.84 185.91 3.68% 3.82 7%
06/22/08 170.37 6.53 176.90 3.69% 3.83 6%
06/15/08 221.08 9.80 230.88 4.25% 4.43 7%
06/08/08 170.76 7.72 178.48 4.32% 4.52 9%
06/01/08 178.53 7.74 186.26 4.15% 4.33 10%
05/25/08 205.45 9.53 214.98 4.43% 4.64 7%
05/18/08 174.51 6.15 180.66 3.40% 3.52 5%
05/11/08 171.94 5.05 177.00 2.86% 2.94 5%
05/04/08 162.95 5.45 168.40 3.24% 3.35 5%
04/27/08 211.60 13.51 225.11 7.93% 6.38 6%
04/20/08 202.24 7.20 209.45 3.44% 3.56 6%
04/13/08 237.42 5.52 242.94 2.27% 2.32 5%
04/06/08 247.44 5.75 253.19 2.27% 2.32 4%
03/30/08 144.13 6.99 151.12 4.63% 4.85 8%
03/23/08 247.59 13.66 261.25 5.23% 5.52 6%
03/16/08 238.92 8.51 247.42 3.44% 3.56 4%
03/09/08 207.91 4.83 212.74 2.27% 2.32 4%
03/02/08 212.30 6.23 218.53 2.85% 2.94 4%
02/24/08 221.98 7.91 229.89 3.44% 3.56 4%
02/17/08 212.15 6.23 218.38 2.85% 2.94 4%
02/10/08 226.24 5.26 231.50 2.27% 2.32 4%
02/03/08 210.57 4.90 215.46 2.27% 2.32 4%
01/27/08 200.95 5.90 206.85 2.85% 2.94 4%
01/20/08 181.94 6.48 188.42 3.44% 3.56 4%
01/13/08 170.58 6.08 176.66 3.44% 3.56 4%
01/06/08 205.82 7.33 213.15 3.44% 3.56 4%
2009
07/26/09 183.30 35.21 218.51 16.11% 19.21 16% (BD+471.79% +14.75% DVD TL +31.71% YTY)
07/19/09 127.89 11.18 139.07 8.04% 8.74 8% (BD +90.63% -17.43% DVD TL -13.48% YTY)
07/12/09 145.03 16.16 161.19 10.03% 11.14 13% (BD+149.25% -8.85% DVD TL -2.66% YTY)
07/05/09 144.31 10.73 155.04 6.92% 7.44 10% (BD +77.33% -14.03% DVD TL -10.85% YTY) 3Q 2009
06/28/09 143.97 14.48 158.45 9.14% 10.06 12% (BD+111.85% -19.60% DVD TL -14.77% YTY)
06/21/09 234.00 20.80 254.80 8.16% 8.89 8% (BD+218.74% +37.35% DVD TL +44.04% YTY)
06/14/09 188.59 19.92 208.51 9.55% 10.56 13% (BD+103.16% -14.69% DVD TL -09.69% YTY)
06/07/09 159.10 16.03 175.13 9.15% 10.08 12% (BD+107.75% -06.83% DVD TL -01.87% YTY)
05/31/09 147.14 14.06 161.20 8.72% 9.56 12% (BD +81.72% -17.58% DVD TL -13.45% YTY)
05/24/09 178.53 20.92 199.45 10.49% 11.72 14% (BD+119.47% -13.10% DVD TL -07.23% YTY)
05/17/09 187.96 23.69 211.65 11.19% 12.60 15% (BD+285.12% +07.71% DVD TL +17.15% YTY)
05/10/09 165.23 16.52 181.75 9.09% 10.00 10% (BD+226.95% -03.90% DVD TL +02.69% YTY)
05/03/09 154.42 15.09 169.51 8.90% 9.77 10% (BD+176.73% -05.24% DVD TL +00.66% YTY)
04/26/09 165.58 19.42 184.99 10.50% 11.73 14% (BD +43.76% -21.75% DVD TL -17.82% YTY)
04/19/09 135.79 10.79 146.58 7.36% 7.94 12% (BD +15.31% -31.37% DVD TL -28.57% YTY)
04/12/09 296.43 19.56 315.99 6.19% 6.60 7% (BD+172.86% +27.63% DVD TL +33.44% YTY)
04/05/09 246.24 17.24 263.47 6.54% 7.00 10% (BD+130.70% +01.73% DVD TL +06.89% YTY) (2Q 2009)
03/29/09 264.73 24.03 288.76 8.32% 9.08 13% (BD+164.64% +87.76% DVD TL +93.91% YTY)
03/22/09 237.16 18.79 255.95 7.34% 7.92 9% (BD +05.89% -02.08% DVD TL -01.37% YTY)
03/15/09 208.32 16.75 225.06 7.44% 8.04 12% (BD +51.53% -10.87% DVD TL -07.13% YTY)
03/08/09 167.71 10.61 178.32 5.95% 6.33 10% (BD +69.04% -17.54% DVD TL -14.08% YTY)
03/01/09 186.58 11.85 198.43 5.97% 6.35 8% (BD +46.36% -10.16% DVD TL -7.33% YTY)
02/22/09 191.22 13.28 204.50 6.49% 6.94 10% (BD +29.31% -11.94% DVD TL -9.47% YTY)
02/15/09 207.02 10.78 217.80 4.95% 5.21 8% (BD +33.27% -00.25% DVD TL +1.42% YTY)
02/08/09 191.84 11.00 202.84 5.42% 5.73 7% (BD +61.03% -13.32% DVD TL -10.33% YTY)
02/01/09 155.74 10.27 166.01 6.18% 6.59 14% (BD +68.41% -24.30% DVD TL -20.96% YTY)
01/25/09 147.10 15.66 162.76 9.62% 10.65 17% (BD+165.35% -26.80% DVD TL -21.32% YTY)
01/18/09 132.80 10.56 143.37 7.37% 7.95 12% (BD +62.99% -27.01% DVD TL -23.91% YTY)
01/11/09 149.56 18.71 168.27 11.12% 12.51 13% (BD+207.95% -12.32% DVD TL - 4.75% YTY)
01/04/09 179.32 24.33 203.65 11.95% 13.57 16% (BD+231.89% -12.88% DVD TL - 4.46% YTY)
2008
07/27/08 159.73 6.16 165.89 3.71% 3.85 9%
07/20/08 154.88 5.86 160.74 3.65% 3.79 8%
07/06/08 167.85 6.05 173.91 3.48% 3.61 7%
06/29/08 179.07 6.84 185.91 3.68% 3.82 7%
06/22/08 170.37 6.53 176.90 3.69% 3.83 6%
06/15/08 221.08 9.80 230.88 4.25% 4.43 7%
06/08/08 170.76 7.72 178.48 4.32% 4.52 9%
06/01/08 178.53 7.74 186.26 4.15% 4.33 10%
05/25/08 205.45 9.53 214.98 4.43% 4.64 7%
05/18/08 174.51 6.15 180.66 3.40% 3.52 5%
05/11/08 171.94 5.05 177.00 2.86% 2.94 5%
05/04/08 162.95 5.45 168.40 3.24% 3.35 5%
04/27/08 211.60 13.51 225.11 7.93% 6.38 6%
04/20/08 202.24 7.20 209.45 3.44% 3.56 6%
04/13/08 237.42 5.52 242.94 2.27% 2.32 5%
04/06/08 247.44 5.75 253.19 2.27% 2.32 4%
03/30/08 144.13 6.99 151.12 4.63% 4.85 8%
03/23/08 247.59 13.66 261.25 5.23% 5.52 6%
03/16/08 238.92 8.51 247.42 3.44% 3.56 4%
03/09/08 207.91 4.83 212.74 2.27% 2.32 4%
03/02/08 212.30 6.23 218.53 2.85% 2.94 4%
02/24/08 221.98 7.91 229.89 3.44% 3.56 4%
02/17/08 212.15 6.23 218.38 2.85% 2.94 4%
02/10/08 226.24 5.26 231.50 2.27% 2.32 4%
02/03/08 210.57 4.90 215.46 2.27% 2.32 4%
01/27/08 200.95 5.90 206.85 2.85% 2.94 4%
01/20/08 181.94 6.48 188.42 3.44% 3.56 4%
01/13/08 170.58 6.08 176.66 3.44% 3.56 4%
01/06/08 205.82 7.33 213.15 3.44% 3.56 4%
Last edited by Gizmo; 07-31-09 at 05:47 PM.
07-31-09, 06:09 PM
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Re: Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
You realize that total sell through for SD DVD is down a mere billion dollars for the first six months of this year. That's $1,000,000,000.00 dollars or something close to it. That's a huge number to me. I didn't realize you were in the league of Gates or Buffet. 
Last edited by beebs; 07-31-09 at 06:12 PM.
07-31-09, 06:26 PM
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07-31-09, 07:37 PM
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Re: Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
I see Blu-ray coming out sooner than SD as a way for studios to significantly narrow the release window between theatrical and HV (which they've been wanting to do for a while) without totally pissing off the theater chains.
07-31-09, 08:52 PM
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Re: Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
FUCK THIS SHIT. FUCK YOU WB.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
IM glad i didnt support this in theaters and glad it bombed. Anyone know how I can go about complaining about this to WB? i need to know from them why they feel they can pull this kinda disgusting shit. I hope whose ever decision this was to give the Blu-ray exclusive special features dies in the most torturous way imaginable.
I may rent the dvd from Netflix. But I swear on my life that that will be the extent of my involvement with this title. This is horrendous what they are doing to 90+% of the home video audience.
IM glad i didnt support this in theaters and glad it bombed. Anyone know how I can go about complaining about this to WB? i need to know from them why they feel they can pull this kinda disgusting shit. I hope whose ever decision this was to give the Blu-ray exclusive special features dies in the most torturous way imaginable.
I may rent the dvd from Netflix. But I swear on my life that that will be the extent of my involvement with this title. This is horrendous what they are doing to 90+% of the home video audience.
07-31-09, 09:10 PM
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I have tried having conversations with you, but when you start comming after me for saying something i never even said (Where in my post do i even try to compare bluray sale and dvd sales, please please point that out to me! cause i never said anything compareing the two.) then its hard to respond to you with out being a little upset. because you were implying either a) I was a bluray fanboy or b) i was listening to the fanboys, when i clearly said this was based on info i have read in the trades and in the bussiness section of the newspaper. honestly man i think you might be better off just putting me on your ignore llist cause it seems like you want to anyways the way you keep threating it. i wont do the same to you, cause i like reading EVERYONES point of view but if you really have to knock down everything i say then please feel free to ignore my opinons.
Why do you takes things so seriously? Let's just have a discussion where you don't call me any cute names or anything like that. If it continues, you're going to go on my Ignore list. Its nearly impossible to reply to anything you say without an attitude being thrown back.
As I already posted, sales are not down as much as others may want you to believe. Sales are slowing because DVD is a 10+ year old format that has maxed out its potential customer base. Blu-ray is growing. Blu-ray will continue to climb in sales until it also hits its potential customer base. When will that be? No one knows. You do know we are in a recession so people are renting more for $1-$5 a day/week rather than spending $15-$35 on a DVD/Blu-ray. That is why the rental market is seeing a jump. It's cheap entertainment for people who don't want to spend money on trips or simply have nothing better to do while sitting at home looking for a job.
Here is a look at DVD/BD Sales per week:
I don't see a huge drop off from last year. Granted, some weeks may have a better title while the other didn,t but the numbers look pretty close to me. Its not a huge drop - its the recession catching up. You can't expect DVD sales to grow when the base is not. You have to assume the Blu-ray base will grow because of the numerous new PS3 owners/BD Player owners every single day.
As I already posted, sales are not down as much as others may want you to believe. Sales are slowing because DVD is a 10+ year old format that has maxed out its potential customer base. Blu-ray is growing. Blu-ray will continue to climb in sales until it also hits its potential customer base. When will that be? No one knows. You do know we are in a recession so people are renting more for $1-$5 a day/week rather than spending $15-$35 on a DVD/Blu-ray. That is why the rental market is seeing a jump. It's cheap entertainment for people who don't want to spend money on trips or simply have nothing better to do while sitting at home looking for a job.
Here is a look at DVD/BD Sales per week:
I don't see a huge drop off from last year. Granted, some weeks may have a better title while the other didn,t but the numbers look pretty close to me. Its not a huge drop - its the recession catching up. You can't expect DVD sales to grow when the base is not. You have to assume the Blu-ray base will grow because of the numerous new PS3 owners/BD Player owners every single day.
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07-31-09, 09:45 PM
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Re: Studios experimenting with Blu-ray releases preceding DVDs
I suppose they just want to hurry up & cash in on the home video revenue but if a film has a long, successful theatrical run it usually translates into better home video sales. Although I understand the longer a movie plays in theaters the less the studios makes and the more the theater makes.
Back in the VHS days, six months was the minimum gap which went down to four months on DVD. I have noticed the gap has been increased to five months for several titles recently.
08-01-09, 12:06 AM
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yeah each week the movie plays the studios cut of the ticket sales drops,this was a big issue back in the late 1990s when godzilla was released sony was demanding the then unheard of 90 percent of each screens opening weekend ticket sales if a chain wanted to play Godzilla.Sony figured this way they would make a greater percentage of the films budget back than they would had they stuck to the then normal week week percentage changes. Sony figured they had the movie of the sumer and that everyone would want to ensure they had it on there screens and would pay whatever they wanted.
However most theatre chains banded togeather and sony ultimately lowered it to 75 percent of the opening weekends ticket sales for some theatres, while others still felt that 75 percent was to much and just refused to play the film. It was quite intresting to watch play out especially since the movie ended up not doing so well in the end. just a few years ago one theatre chain gave WB 99 percent of the opening weekend ticket sales for harry potter and the order of the phoenix. for fear of it going to another competitor in the region.
However most theatre chains banded togeather and sony ultimately lowered it to 75 percent of the opening weekends ticket sales for some theatres, while others still felt that 75 percent was to much and just refused to play the film. It was quite intresting to watch play out especially since the movie ended up not doing so well in the end. just a few years ago one theatre chain gave WB 99 percent of the opening weekend ticket sales for harry potter and the order of the phoenix. for fear of it going to another competitor in the region.
This is kind of a double edge sword for the studios. When theater revenues are down or the films have very little staying power, this is often because people know the DVD/Blu-ray is going to be out in four months.
I suppose they just want to hurry up & cash in on the home video revenue but if a film has a long, successful theatrical run it usually translates into better home video sales. Although I understand the longer a movie plays in theaters the less the studios makes and the more the theater makes.
Back in the VHS days, six months was the minimum gap which went down to four months on DVD. I have noticed the gap has been increased to five months for several titles recently.
I suppose they just want to hurry up & cash in on the home video revenue but if a film has a long, successful theatrical run it usually translates into better home video sales. Although I understand the longer a movie plays in theaters the less the studios makes and the more the theater makes.
Back in the VHS days, six months was the minimum gap which went down to four months on DVD. I have noticed the gap has been increased to five months for several titles recently.
08-19-09, 11:29 PM
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Imagine That (Paramount) will be hitting Blu-ray 2 weeks before the DVD.
08-20-09, 06:22 AM
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Well, imagine that!
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
(Sorry, couldn't resist.)
08-20-09, 11:25 AM
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I don't see this as a bad thing. The same thing happened when the world moved from VHS to DVD. DVD's were now day and date with the VHS rentals and the people that only had VHS machines couldn't buy the VHS the same day as the DVD. People needed to upgrade. Same thing here.