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Old 11-20-09, 12:45 AM
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Shazam
ST books are never canon. Not even sure how they could be. So many of them contradict each other and just have tons of made up shit.
Of course they are "made up" that's the whole nature of fiction. Yeah, OK, so I'm not a "Trekkie", so maybe that's why I might consider a book like Prime Directive canon while others don't. It's labeled as such and that's good enough for me.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Solid Snake PAC
It's not like the ST cartoons are canon right?
The official Star Trek site incorporated all of the facts and information from the animated series into its official library section in 2007....which is pretty much the equivalent as saying it has now been returned to canon....
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Bart: "None of these stories really happened"
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by MadonnasManOne
Your results my vary, of course, but, I picked up the Target 3-Disc Blu-Ray Exclusive Enterprise Case version, and it rang up at $24.99! AWESOME.
I got this also, and my 2 Targets had it for $24.99. And the regular BR for $19.99.

Also noticed that the regular BR says 30 featurettes while the Enterprise Case says 31 featurettes. Any truth to that?, haven't seen mine yet.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Maybe the case is the feature?
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

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Old 11-22-09, 11:08 AM
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Loved the movie and I bought the Target Edition when I saw it. There were only 2 left and I grabbed one and gave the other to a person also looking to buy the blu-ray.
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After much struggling with the decision and looking carefully at pictures of the Star Trek ship in the $24.99 Target package, I decided the ship wasn't THAT great and would just take up space and collect dust, so I'll return it. For about $8 in savings I ordered it from Amazon for $18.99... not quite as cheap as others' Gold Box deal but good enough for me.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

I got this for $15 total from Hastings the night of release as part of a B1G1. I still haven't watched it though...
Old 11-27-09, 03:47 AM
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Watched it again with the commentary. Those guys are always great with these but I learnt quite alot.
One of the main things I learnt was when Kirk was eating the apple it wasn't to do with Wrath of Khan! He says that he once heard a reviewer say he hates seeing actors eat apples in films so he put that in there. But I'm not sure.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by jdslater1
Watched it again with the commentary. Those guys are always great with these but I learnt quite alot.
One of the main things I learnt was when Kirk was eating the apple it wasn't to do with Wrath of Khan! He says that he once heard a reviewer say he hates seeing actors eat apples in films so he put that in there. But I'm not sure.
I still cannot believe it has nothing to do with TWoK, it takes away from the awe I had for the writers when I 1st watched in IMAX. I leaned next to my buddy and said that Kirk was eating an apple when he 1st talk about the test.

They said people looke "cocky" when they are eating apples, so he wanted that attitude for Kirk.
Old 11-28-09, 12:37 AM
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Even if it wasn't intentionally an homage to TWOK, it certainly was subconsciously. Artists do a lot of things in tribute to other works that they don't, themselves, realize.
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pretty sure, it was definately an intentional choice, to give a tip of the hat to the scene from TWOK. as big of trek fan as Orci is,I cant help but think they are just trying to down play it for somereason. there are to many little nods and referances to the old trek for this not to be intentional.
Originally Posted by jdslater1
Watched it again with the commentary. Those guys are always great with these but I learnt quite alot.
One of the main things I learnt was when Kirk was eating the apple it wasn't to do with Wrath of Khan! He says that he once heard a reviewer say he hates seeing actors eat apples in films so he put that in there. But I'm not sure.
Old 11-28-09, 07:52 PM
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Okay, please forgive me if this has already been addressed, but I have a plot question:

Spoiler:
How did Nero know where and when to find Spock Prime? I know that his 20+ year absence can be explained by the Klingon prison term in the deleted scenes, but I'm still curious as to how he and his crew were able to apprehend Spock.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by AmityBoatTours
pretty sure, it was definately an intentional choice, to give a tip of the hat to the scene from TWOK. as big of trek fan as Orci is,I cant help but think they are just trying to down play it for somereason. there are to many little nods and referances to the old trek for this not to be intentional.
Agreed, if it wasn't to do with TWoK it should have been some sort of alien fruit, something purple or something. Also if it's not connected why have it in that scene?!
You could have put the apple eating while he was getting on the shuttle or something.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Spoiler:
How did Nero know where and when to find Spock Prime? I know that his 20+ year absence can be explained by the Klingon prison term in the deleted scenes, but I'm still curious as to how he and his crew were able to apprehend Spock.
Spoiler:
Math?
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Intentional or not, it was a very cool nod to TWOK.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Okay, please forgive me if this has already been addressed, but I have a plot question:

Spoiler:
How did Nero know where and when to find Spock Prime? I know that his 20+ year absence can be explained by the Klingon prison term in the deleted scenes, but I'm still curious as to how he and his crew were able to apprehend Spock.
Spoiler:
Well, he's had 25 years with nothing to do but calculate that.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

With the $5.00 BD coupon at Target, this was $14.99 or $19.99 for their Enterprise exclusive. I didn't want or need the special packaging, so $14.99 is nice for the 3-disc Blu-ray.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Josh Z
Spoiler:
Well, he's had 25 years with nothing to do but calculate that.
Okay,
Spoiler:
but what happened with his ship while he was detained? Wouldn't it be possible for Spock to pop up around then just as much as the exact time he did?
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Okay,
Spoiler:
but what happened with his ship while he was detained? Wouldn't it be possible for Spock to pop up around then just as much as the exact time he did?
Originally Posted by Kory
With the $5.00 BD coupon at Target, this was $14.99 or $19.99 for their Enterprise exclusive. I didn't want or need the special packaging, so $14.99 is nice for the 3-disc Blu-ray.
wait...I know this film isn't perfect but it's a damn fun film for sure..but...

Spoiler:
to my understanding from what was shown (and I could be wrong) didn't Nero literally just wait around for Spock to come to that exact location hoping that eventually he'd pass through? If anything I would've kept in the Prison scene somehow...but I can't see how cuz it would kill the pacing early on
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Okay, please forgive me if this has already been addressed, but I have a plot question:

Spoiler:
How did Nero know where and when to find Spock Prime? I know that his 20+ year absence can be explained by the Klingon prison term in the deleted scenes, but I'm still curious as to how he and his crew were able to apprehend Spock.
You really want to know?

From the "Star Trek: Nero" comic book from IDW (which has a story credited to screenwriters Kurtzman and Orci):

Spoiler:
After the battle between Nero and the Kelvin, the Klingons attacked the Narada and took her crew prisoner. They were taken to Rura Penthe, where they were held prisoner for about twenty years.

While on Rura Penthe, a former Starfleet officer named Clavell told Nero that Spock and his ship would also have gotten pulled into the black hole along with Narada, but that he would not be unable to accurately calculate where or when Spock would re-emerge.

At some point, the Narada "awakened" and broke Nero and his crew out of Rura Penthe and destroyed the Klingon fleet. The Narada, operating on its own, flies to near the Delta Quadrant, zeroing in on an energy source.

The Narada arrives at a nebula, and Nero enters it. The "nebula" is, in fact, V'Ger. V'Ger could sense the Narada as sort of kindred spirit and sought it out. Nero is able to have V'Ger calculate the time and place Spock would emerge in the past.

Nero is then waiting on Spock when he arrives, takes him prisoner, steals the red matter (ie, Rambaldi device), and maroons Spock on Delta Vega.

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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Josh-da-man
You really want to know?

From the "Star Trek: Nero" comic book from IDW (which has a story credited to screenwriters Kurtzman and Orci):

Spoiler:
After the battle between Nero and the Kelvin, the Klingons attacked the Narada and took her crew prisoner. They were taken to Rura Penthe, where they were held prisoner for about twenty years.

While on Rura Penthe, a former Starfleet officer named Clavell told Nero that Spock and his ship would also have gotten pulled into the black hole along with Narada, but that he would not be unable to accurately calculate where or when Spock would re-emerge.

At some point, the Narada "awakened" and broke Nero and his crew out of Rura Penthe and destroyed the Klingon fleet. The Narada, operating on its own, flies to near the Delta Quadrant, zeroing in on an energy source.

The Narada arrives at a nebula, and Nero enters it. The "nebula" is, in fact, V'Ger. V'Ger could sense the Narada as sort of kindred spirit and sought it out. Nero is able to have V'Ger calculate the time and place Spock would emerge in the past.

Nero is then waiting on Spock when he arrives, takes him prisoner, steals the red matter (ie, Rambaldi device), and maroons Spock on Delta Vega.

Okay...the Narada had a mind of its own? Was it Borg tech or something?

I thought of something else:

Spoiler:
Seeing as how Nero and co. were in a time period where Romulus had yet to be destroyed, couldn't they have just flown there and warned their fellow Romulans? If memory serves, they (the Romulans) were not on the best of terms with either the Federation or the Klingon Empire at the time, so they most likely would have welcomed a motley group with advanced weaponry and a bad ass ship. Instead of destroying just Vulcan, Nero could have formed an armada and set out to conquer the whole galaxy. Also, how does Kirk manage to get marooned on the same planet and just a few miles from Spock prime? Coincidence as a plot point really bothers me.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

If it needs a comic to explain something in the film...it's not a great way to explain it.
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Re: Star Trek: Nov 17

Originally Posted by Dr. DVD
Okay...the Narada had a mind of its own? Was it Borg tech or something?
(With apologies to Solid Snake PAC...)

Yes, the Narada was based on Borg technology, according to the "Star Trek: Countdown" series, also from IDW.

The "Countdown" series takes place a few years after "Star Trek: Nemesis" and shows the events leading up to the destruction of Romulus, explains why Nero hates Spock, shows where the Narada and Spock's ship came from, and had a number of cameos from ST:TNG characters.

I'm not sure whether or not the comics are considered to be fully canon, but they do have the screenwriters credited with the stories, and I doubt most of these plot points will ever be addressed again future films.

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