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Criterion releases on Blu-Rays, Part II

Old 02-15-18, 09:20 AM
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By "effort", I actually mean cost.
I do, too. The added cost to include a UHD in a 4K-mastered project (especially if they don't perform a separate HDR timing pass) is pretty negligible. It would cost very little more than adding a DVD which they previously did without changing their MSRP. Adding a UHD could allow them to justify maintaining their price-point as the value proposition in the marketplace keeps pushing them out.

It may not increase their profitability on a sale-by-sale basis, but it would maintain/boost their brand identity as an unsurpassed top-of-the-line product that's worth the asking price. And people who hesitate to buy Criterion discs today because of an anticipation of future UHD releases would be able to jump back in with confidence.
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Old 02-15-18, 09:54 AM
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There would also be licensing issues due to UHD's being region free and CC discs being region A locked.
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I have a feeling Criterion would be a little gun shy about introducing combo packs again after all the crap they got for DVD/BD combos. I don't see them going down the road of HDR (no industry standards, too controversial on older films), and a large percentage of their BD catalog is only 2k sourced. In fact, I believe any in-house scans they do are still done at 2k. There were rumors that the Monterrey Pop re-release might be UHD, but I don't know if those rumors were based on anything more than speculation. All that said, I don't think it's impossible they'll go UHD at some point, I just wouldn't hold my breath.

Is any third party label doing UHD at this point? It's just the major studios, is it not?
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Old 02-15-18, 10:11 AM
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There would also be licensing issues due to UHD's being region free and CC discs being region A locked.
Very good point.
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Old 02-15-18, 10:13 AM
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I have a feeling Criterion would be a little gun shy about introducing combo packs again after all the crap they got for DVD/BD combos.
Well, they got a lot of crap for digipacks, too, and they just re-introduced those.
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And if they do go UHD at any point I would not be surprised if they start releasing them through FilmStruck first to test the waters. I would assume that a streaming version in 4K is much cheaper than mass producing a UHD disc.
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Old 02-15-18, 10:41 AM
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Well, they got a lot of crap for digipacks, too, and they just re-introduced those.
When did they ever stop digi-packs? And while individuals may or may not like digi-packs, I can't imagine how people feel about them really affects Criterion's bottom line in any substantial way. Combo packs, on the other hand, were introduced because it made all the financial sense in the world to do so and they still ceased production on them because large portions of their customer base (not just online enthusiasts) made it clear combo-packs were a problem.
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Old 02-15-18, 12:43 PM
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Do we have any idea how Criterion sales number are divided based on format? Because that could give us some indication of what their decision on UHD-BD might be.

If the sales were something like 70% DVD and 30% BD, then that would make Criterion run screaming in the other direction of UHD.

Of course, even if it were the other way around - it doesn't necessarily mean a significant number of those Criterion BD customers would switch to yet another new format. It gets to a point where it looks great as it is.
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I have no interest in purchasing Criterion UHD’s. I think their current release format is where they should stay. And considering their prices now, I’d hate to see what a Criterion UHD would be priced at.
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Old 02-15-18, 01:42 PM
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And considering their prices now, I’d hate to see what a Criterion UHD would be priced at.
You can say that again.
Criterions go for about $40 in Canada - which is unbelievable for a single movie in 2018. I'd imagine the UHD-BD version would be $50.
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You can say that again.
Criterions go for about $40 in Canada - which is unbelievable for a single movie in 2018. I'd imagine the UHD-BD version would be $50.
So $25 during one of the 50% sales. Which seems pretty in like with UHD titles form other companies that I have seen advertised.
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Amazon Amazon

Criterion 100 years of Olympic Films is $200 now at Amazon. It's essentially the same price as the Flash Sale from Criterion that just ended.
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Old 02-15-18, 01:53 PM
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I'd imagine the UHD-BD version would be $50.
I'd rather pay $50 for a UHD now than $40 for a BD now plus $50 for the UHD later.
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Old 02-15-18, 01:59 PM
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So $25 during one of the 50% sales. Which seems pretty in like with UHD titles form other companies that I have seen advertised.
Shipping is $10 base price + $2.95 per additional title... and then have to contend with duties - which will wind up negating the deal anyway.

In any case, most people shop at BestBuy, Amazon.ca, or Walmart - so that's really the price that matters.

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I'd rather pay $50 for a UHD now than $40 for a BD now plus $50 for the UHD later.
Well, yeah... if those are your only two options - sure.
But either way it's ridiculous in this day.
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Let's not get too bent out of shape over a price that we all just made up.

I don't think Criterion is going UHD anytime soon, but for the sake of context, remember that when they introduced blu-ray, Criterion did not raise prices. $40 has been their price point for 20 years.
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Re: Criterion releases on Blu-Rays, Part II

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Shipping is $10 base price + $2.95 per additional title... and then have to contend with duties - which will wind up negating the deal anyway.

In any case, most people shop at BestBuy, Amazon.ca, or Walmart - so that's really the price that matters.



Well, yeah... if those are your only two options - sure.
But either way it's ridiculous in this day.
Yes, and unfortunately amazon.ca prices don't drop during other sales, as typically happens to amazon.com prices.
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Old 02-15-18, 02:30 PM
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I used to happily pay $50 in late '80's USD for a Criterion LD, so $40 in 2018 Canadian for a BD still feels like I'm stealing from them.

/old_man
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Old 02-15-18, 04:07 PM
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They will do UHD. I believe they have already responded to a Criterion forum member that it is a ways off. They do have a nice number of releases already scanned in 4K.

HDR will most likely only be used if intended by a director, as is their release policy of corresponding with each director whenever possible. They most likely won't be tacking HDR onto a film by Kurosawa or Kubrick and whatnot ....
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Old 02-15-18, 04:25 PM
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They will do UHD. I believe they have already responded to a Criterion forum member that it is a ways off.
Thanks for the details!
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love that Midnight Cowboy cover.
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Everybody's Talkin' at Me...about that Midnight Cowboy release!
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They will do UHD. I believe they have already responded to a Criterion forum member that it is a ways off. They do have a nice number of releases already scanned in 4K.
I have to believe it's a long ways off, if they ever do it at all.

There are new day and date titles by major studios (some with Oscar nods too) that aren't even getting a UHD release.
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I was expecting to see 4 Months, 3 Weeks, and 2 Days on that list.
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love that Midnight Cowboy cover.
Me too! I love this film!
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