The Criterion Collection 4K/Blu-ray Discussion and Release Thread
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Yah.
It's the same master, from a 4K transfer. They weren't prevalent, but they existed, here and there.
It's the same master, from a 4K transfer. They weren't prevalent, but they existed, here and there.
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Mixed feelings on a Dr. Strangelove release. It's one of my absolute favorite movies, so I'm always glad to see it get some love. I just don't know how much more Criterion could contribute to it though.
I have probably purchased Strangelove more times than any other title when you take DVD and Blu-ray into account. So I'll probably end up purchasing it at some point regardless. I'm weak that way.
I have probably purchased Strangelove more times than any other title when you take DVD and Blu-ray into account. So I'll probably end up purchasing it at some point regardless. I'm weak that way.
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Ah. I was under the impression that the blu used the same master at the 40th anniversary dvd.
That being the case, I really don't know why Criterion would bother with this, unless, like I said, they do something different with the aspect ratio. Even then...
That being the case, I really don't know why Criterion would bother with this, unless, like I said, they do something different with the aspect ratio. Even then...
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All of the previous Criterion releases of the film have featured an alternating aspect ratio (not multiple versions of the film, like On the Waterfront, but a changing ratio within a single version of the film, like the Blu-ray of The Dark Knight). If they were to do a similar release on Blu-ray, they'd probably have to use a different source (a newer 4K scan, presumably).
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All of the previous Criterion releases of the film have featured an alternating aspect ratio (not multiple versions of the film, like On the Waterfront, but a changing ratio within a single version of the film, like the Blu-ray of The Dark Knight). If they were to do a similar release on Blu-ray, they'd probably have to use a different source (a newer 4K scan, presumably).
The aspect ratio fluctuations on the Criterion Laserdisc were a consequence of Kubrick instructing them to lift all the soft mattes to expose the entire photographed image. The problem was that Kubrick shot the film with hard mattes in the camera during some scenes. So the aspect ratio on the LD flipped back and forth from 4:3 to about 1.66:1. He was apparently not bothered by that.
The movie never played that way in theaters. At a retrospective of his films prior to his death, Kubrick asked that most of them be projected at a constant 1.66:1.
At the time Criterion did the Laserdisc, Kubrick was, unfortunately, a letterboxing hater who preferred his TV screen to be filled. This was not indicative of the aspect ratios he actually composed his movies for. Sadly, he died before 16:9 HDTVs were widely prevalent, so we'll never know when or if he would have eventually changed his mind on the subject.
I'd like to see Criterion finally release that script, along with other material that Kubrick vetoed. Whether they'd actually do so, or would instead honor his original instructions, is unknown.
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Per the blu-ray.com review of Dr Strangelove, certain scenes still have scratches and print marks, and the blu was done in 2009. Maybe they could try to remove those.
Also the blu has Dolby True HD 5.1 and a lossy mono. I'm sure Criterion would do a full restored lossless mono & maybe a dts ma 5.1 mix
Also, maybe Criterion found footage of the infamous Pie scene that was cut last minute
Also the blu has Dolby True HD 5.1 and a lossy mono. I'm sure Criterion would do a full restored lossless mono & maybe a dts ma 5.1 mix
Also, maybe Criterion found footage of the infamous Pie scene that was cut last minute
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The first pressing of Criterion's Laserdisc included a copy of an early script draft (authored as frame-by-frame still images) that was bookended with scenes involving aliens visiting a post-apocalyptic Earth to pass judgment on humanity's stupidity for destroying itself.
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I usually upgrade to a new Criterion even though I may already own the existing Blu-ray. However, since Strangelove is the same master from a 4K transfer and I love DigiBooks, I shall be passing on this one.
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Question about the Graduate audio commentary:
I have the Criterion Laserdisc of The Graduate. It has the commentary from 1987 featuring film scholar Howard Suber that has been carried over on to the blu. This commentary contained comments where Suber explains what "cigarette burns" are because the CC Laserdisc was indeed a transfer of a widescreen print that included big black reel change markers. Have these comments been retained on the Blu?
I have the Criterion Laserdisc of The Graduate. It has the commentary from 1987 featuring film scholar Howard Suber that has been carried over on to the blu. This commentary contained comments where Suber explains what "cigarette burns" are because the CC Laserdisc was indeed a transfer of a widescreen print that included big black reel change markers. Have these comments been retained on the Blu?
#8012
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Where did we see that Criterion is releasing Dr. Strangelove?
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In most likelihood, Criterion would just license Sony's master. I doubt they'd do their own new transfer just for this, much less would Sony let them do it.
The aspect ratio fluctuations on the Criterion Laserdisc were a consequence of Kubrick instructing them to lift all the soft mattes to expose the entire photographed image. The problem was that Kubrick shot the film with hard mattes in the camera during some scenes. So the aspect ratio on the LD flipped back and forth from 4:3 to about 1.66:1. He was apparently not bothered by that.
The movie never played that way in theaters. At a retrospective of his films prior to his death, Kubrick asked that most of them be projected at a constant 1.66:1.
At the time Criterion did the Laserdisc, Kubrick was, unfortunately, a letterboxing hater who preferred his TV screen to be filled. This was not indicative of the aspect ratios he actually composed his movies for. Sadly, he died before 16:9 HDTVs were widely prevalent, so we'll never know when or if he would have eventually changed his mind on the subject.
The first pressing of Criterion's Laserdisc included a copy of an early script draft (authored as frame-by-frame still images) that was bookended with scenes involving aliens visiting a post-apocalyptic Earth to pass judgment on humanity's stupidity for destroying itself. Kubrick apparently did not authorize the release of that script (he was opposed to viewers seeing any behind-the-scenes content from his movies) and demanded that Criterion recall the discs and issue a second printing without the script. When Laserdiscs still had a collectors' market, first pressing copies were pretty valuable.
I'd like to see Criterion finally release that script, along with other material that Kubrick vetoed. Whether they'd actually do so, or would instead honor his original instructions, is unknown.
The aspect ratio fluctuations on the Criterion Laserdisc were a consequence of Kubrick instructing them to lift all the soft mattes to expose the entire photographed image. The problem was that Kubrick shot the film with hard mattes in the camera during some scenes. So the aspect ratio on the LD flipped back and forth from 4:3 to about 1.66:1. He was apparently not bothered by that.
The movie never played that way in theaters. At a retrospective of his films prior to his death, Kubrick asked that most of them be projected at a constant 1.66:1.
At the time Criterion did the Laserdisc, Kubrick was, unfortunately, a letterboxing hater who preferred his TV screen to be filled. This was not indicative of the aspect ratios he actually composed his movies for. Sadly, he died before 16:9 HDTVs were widely prevalent, so we'll never know when or if he would have eventually changed his mind on the subject.
The first pressing of Criterion's Laserdisc included a copy of an early script draft (authored as frame-by-frame still images) that was bookended with scenes involving aliens visiting a post-apocalyptic Earth to pass judgment on humanity's stupidity for destroying itself. Kubrick apparently did not authorize the release of that script (he was opposed to viewers seeing any behind-the-scenes content from his movies) and demanded that Criterion recall the discs and issue a second printing without the script. When Laserdiscs still had a collectors' market, first pressing copies were pretty valuable.
I'd like to see Criterion finally release that script, along with other material that Kubrick vetoed. Whether they'd actually do so, or would instead honor his original instructions, is unknown.
That does sound fascinating. I wonder what legal status it has? Who controls Kubrick's stuff now?
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I love Kubrick
I love Dr Strangelove
I love Criterion.....
But I'm not buying the new version when the OOP Sony already kicks ass. I'd rather buy a new movie than double dip at this point.
I love Dr Strangelove
I love Criterion.....
But I'm not buying the new version when the OOP Sony already kicks ass. I'd rather buy a new movie than double dip at this point.
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Once again, it sounds like Criterion is putting its efforts into something that really didn't need it.
I understand that having Dr. Strangelove adds more prestige to the collection - but there are so many other titles they could've tackled instead of adding more re-releases for a format that is lacking in catalog titles.
I understand that having Dr. Strangelove adds more prestige to the collection - but there are so many other titles they could've tackled instead of adding more re-releases for a format that is lacking in catalog titles.
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Question about the Graduate audio commentary:
I have the Criterion Laserdisc of The Graduate. It has the commentary from 1987 featuring film scholar Howard Suber that has been carried over on to the blu. This commentary contained comments where Suber explains what "cigarette burns" are because the CC Laserdisc was indeed a transfer of a widescreen print that included big black reel change markers. Have these comments been retained on the Blu?
I have the Criterion Laserdisc of The Graduate. It has the commentary from 1987 featuring film scholar Howard Suber that has been carried over on to the blu. This commentary contained comments where Suber explains what "cigarette burns" are because the CC Laserdisc was indeed a transfer of a widescreen print that included big black reel change markers. Have these comments been retained on the Blu?
& the blu ray for Godzilla has a recycled commentary where the commentator says something to the effects of "i'm sorry the transfer you are watching has thousands of scratches and marks, even the best technology can't get rid of those" As the criterion version was able to remove most of the marks and scratches on Godzilla
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Once again, it sounds like Criterion is putting its efforts into something that really didn't need it.
I understand that having Dr. Strangelove adds more prestige to the collection - but there are so many other titles they could've tackled instead of adding more re-releases for a format that is lacking in catalog titles.
I understand that having Dr. Strangelove adds more prestige to the collection - but there are so many other titles they could've tackled instead of adding more re-releases for a format that is lacking in catalog titles.
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I'd really like to see Criterion's sales number per title.
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Question about the Graduate audio commentary:
I have the Criterion Laserdisc of The Graduate. It has the commentary from 1987 featuring film scholar Howard Suber that has been carried over on to the blu. This commentary contained comments where Suber explains what "cigarette burns" are because the CC Laserdisc was indeed a transfer of a widescreen print that included big black reel change markers. Have these comments been retained on the Blu?
I have the Criterion Laserdisc of The Graduate. It has the commentary from 1987 featuring film scholar Howard Suber that has been carried over on to the blu. This commentary contained comments where Suber explains what "cigarette burns" are because the CC Laserdisc was indeed a transfer of a widescreen print that included big black reel change markers. Have these comments been retained on the Blu?
#8022
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I don't have a problem in upgrading this specific title to CC. Hell, I had a gut feeling Inside Lewynn Davis would get the CC treatment and lo and behold it did. Glad I waited. At this point - who cares if Stangelove is released by CC? A CC edition is always a worthy upgrade, imo.
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Yes, but only IF they sell well. To begin with, Dr. Strangelove isn't a huge seller as it is... and judging by some reactions in this thread, there may be a lot of people who are perfectly fine with the current release. The market has changed over the last 10-15 years - the need to own titles has dwindled considerably, never mind the desire to double-dip.
I'd really like to see Criterion's sales number per title.
I'd really like to see Criterion's sales number per title.
Here's my signed Chasing Amy.
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Yes, but only IF they sell well. To begin with, Dr. Strangelove isn't a huge seller as it is... and judging by some reactions in this thread, there may be a lot of people who are perfectly fine with the current release. The market has changed over the last 10-15 years - the need to own titles has dwindled considerably, never mind the desire to double-dip.
I'd really like to see Criterion's sales number per title.
I'd really like to see Criterion's sales number per title.
#8025
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In today's Variety:
Criterion Collection to launch in U.K. following Sony Pact
http://variety.com/2016/film/global/...ny-1201724067/
Criterion Collection to launch in U.K. following Sony Pact
http://variety.com/2016/film/global/...ny-1201724067/
SPHE will bring selected titles from Criterion’s extensive catalog and future new release slate to the U.K. for the first time. The first wave of films, featuring all the supplements from the U.S. editions along with their exclusive artwork and packaging, are “Grey Gardens,” “It Happened One Night,” Roman Polanski’s “Macbeth,” “Only Angels Have Wings,” “Speedy” and “Tootsie.”