Originally Posted by trespoochies (Post 8914419)

Just to clarify, even though I now it's a negative article, I am an avid supporter of BD. In fact, the last dvd I got was of The Office Season 4, and that's only because it's not on BD. But prior to that, it's been months since I've gotten a DVD. I'm more concerned about overall perception of the format, which so far isn't good or is treated as another niche format - at least here in the States. Can't speak for anywhere else though. But I'm fairly certain if the issue is addressed regarding the loweing of BD software and hardware, it'll vastly improve the BD situation.

Originally Posted by bunkaroo (Post 8914297)

Isn't this still technically illegal for DVD as well? You have to circumvent copy protection to do it.

Originally Posted by RoboDad (Post 8914012)

Taking the word to its NASA history, Apollo 11 did not "launch" when the Saturn V rocket was developed, or even when the crew was selected and trained. It launched when the craft left the launchpad, headed toward the moon.

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist (Post 8914407)

Is there a reason why you think that disagreeing with what has been posted isn't a form of respectful discussion?

I don't see my post suggesting anything like that. I am not surprised by the fact that another negative article is posted here. I believe you have misunderstood what I posted.

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist (Post 8914407)

And frankly I think that anyone who writes an article where specific time frames are brought up to suggest a trend, negative in this case, yet fails to mention that only months ago all of the majors were not unified behind Blu-ray, hence I don't understand how you could expect faster growth, is quite naive.

Pro-B

Originally Posted by applesandrice (Post 8914391)

Yet, so far, at least, it's been discussed in measured, respectful terms.

Pro-B, your post suggests that you are unhappy with the climate here at DVDTalk. Perhaps you'd be happier elsewhere?

Originally Posted by applesandrice (Post 8914510)

I'm not sure if that "you" was aimed at me or just a general "you", but I don't have an answer. In terms of speed of growth, I don't know what to expect. Obviously, the CE manufacturers and the studios both see $$ potential in Blu-ray.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 8914526)

Samsungly clearly does not see much of a lifespan in 5 years.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...ars-left.phtml

Originally Posted by applesandrice (Post 8914549)

I saw that over at AVS, but was a little afraid to mention it.:)

Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 8914353)

yes, it's illegal and therefore, a moot point. it is rather silly to discredit a format, just because it makes it harder to break the law.

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 8914526)

Samsung clearly does not see much of a lifespan in 5 years.
http://www.pocket-lint.co.uk/news/ne...ars-left.phtml

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist (Post 8914683)

And what I see a terrible misinterpretation. Sounds like the author of the article clearly mistook LCD for BR. Unless I am missing the obvious connection between OLED and BR.

Pro-B

Originally Posted by Yavin (Post 8914691)

That's sort of what I thought when I read the article too... how is OLED supposed to replace Blu-ray?!?

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist (Post 8914732)

This is a question for those who believe that Samsung's message is clear.

I don't have an answer.

Pro-B

Originally Posted by PocketLint Article

NEWS: 3 September 2008 16:17 GMT by Stuart Miles
Samsung has said that it sees the Blu-ray format only lasting a further 5 years before it is replaced by another format or technology.

"I think it [Blu-ray] has 5 years left, I certainly wouldn't give it 10", Andy Griffiths, director of consumer electronics at Samsung UK told Pocket-lint in an interview.

Hoping to capitalise before it's too late, Griffiths believes that 2008 is the format's year.

"It's going to be huge", he told Pocket-lint. "We are heavily back-ordered at the moment."

Citing online rental sites like LoveFilm's adoption of Blu-ray titles, the move to offer cheaper players and a now clear path to adoption following the Blu-ray HD DVD battle, Griffith says the format will be a winner, although not for long.

Instead Samsung is putting its faith in its OLED technology. The new technology, which is "ready to rock", is being held back at the moment due to high manufacturing costs.

"We will launch the OLED technology when it's at a price that will be appealing to the consumer, unfortunately that's not yet."

Griffiths, citing 2010 as a possible date for your calendar, told us he believes that when the technology becomes mainstream it will replace LCD.

"It's gonna be big, but at the moment it's a great story, not commercial, product."

Samsung previewed two OLED screen televisions at IFA in Berlin earlier in the month, out-manoeuvring Sony to be the largest models on show at the show.

Coming in 14- and 31-inch models, the screens that are incredibly thin, produce vivid contrasts and colours.

Sony settled for second place with a 9- and 27-inch models, but it wasn't the only area that Samsung claimed a "world's first" over their Far East rivals.

The company has recently announced it's partnered with Yahoo to offer widgets on its internet connected televisions as it tries to turn the television into an information hub of the home rather than the PC.

"The content has to be relevant, but once it is it will make the TV more than a TV", said Griffiths.

So where next? Griffiths is clearly thinking about the future citing more focus on rolling out LED backlighting in the range as well as improving the quality of the offering.

But it seems the Olympics is on the man and the company's minds.

"In 2012 we will be in a true HD world. Everything from your television to your camcorder will be offering you pictures in high-definition, and we plan to offer you that HD world from all angles."

With 4 years to go, the prospect sounds exciting, but by then Blu-ray will be, if Samsung are to be believed, on its last legs.

Originally Posted by Electronic Home Article by Chuck McKenney

Having beaten HD DVD in the format war, Blu-ray remains the champion of high-definition. But how long will that dominance last? Not long, according to one high-level Samsung executive.

“I think it [Blu-ray] has 5 years left, I certainly wouldn’t give it 10”, Andy Griffiths, director of consumer electronics at Samsung UK told Pocket-lint.com.

Griffiths didn’t elaborate on exactly what would knock-out Blu-ray, only adding that it will be replaced by another format or technology.

With that said, Griffiths also believes the time is now for Blu-ray. “It’s going to be huge”, Griffiths is quoted in Pocket-lint.com. “We are heavily back-ordered at the moment.”

In sticking with predictions, Griffiths also says OLED will become mainstream in 2010.

Originally Posted by Pistol Pete (Post 8914658)

I think you are mistaken. An action being illegal does not mean that it has no effect on the product. People will gravitate toward whatever format supports their personal needs, whether those needs are deemed illegal or not. Arguably one reason that VHS won was because a user could record and archive a 2 hour movie on one tape. This is a technically illegal act, even under the Betamax decision.

Some people have a need to copy BD movies, whether bought or rented. The legality of the action has no bearing. The only concern is if the format will allow the action. If it will not, those users will find another way to obtain the content.

Originally Posted by trespoochies (Post 8914419)

Just to clarify, even though I now it's a negative article, I am an avid supporter of BD.

Originally Posted by kefrank (Post 8914870)

the vast majority of DVD consumers are not ripping their DVDs, even for "personal use." some are, for sure, but it is not a significant portion of the now mass-market DVD-buying public and therefore, would not be a significant factor in the mass-market adoption of another format.

Originally Posted by beebs (Post 8914998)

First off, technical folks totally influence the path of mass adoption, especially if they can agree on something.

Originally Posted by Mister Peepers (Post 8915030)

Technical folks have long said AOL sucks but they still did pretty good and had a good chunk of the market.

Originally Posted by beebs (Post 8914981)

"negative"? What aggravator first tossed that word out there?

-beebs

Originally Posted by chanster (Post 8914824)

Why is it surprising for a CE manafacturer to say that a format has a limited life-span ...

Originally Posted by GizmoDVD (Post 8914795)

Blu-ray is clearly mentioned numerous times.