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When will Blu-ray no longer work through component cables?

Old 04-22-08, 06:20 PM
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When will Blu-ray no longer work through component cables?

My HDTV does not have HDMI inputs, only components. And I know that, at some point, Blu-ray discs will no longer work via component cables due to copyprotection or whatever. My question is, do we know when this is going to be? I just want to know how long I have before I have to get a new TV. Thanks.
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They always will.
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Old 04-22-08, 06:35 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
They always will.
Could you elaborate? I was under the (possibly incorrect?) impression that eventually every digital source will have to be HDCP compliant, making it impossible to watch Bluray discs via analog component cables.
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How old does an HDTV have to be to not have HDMI inputs?
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Old 04-22-08, 06:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Robert
How old does an HDTV have to be to not have HDMI inputs?
I believe it's a 2003 model. It was given to me a few months ago. It's a total piece of shit, but I'm living with it until I can afford a new one.
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Old 04-22-08, 06:48 PM
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The studios are holding off implementing the Image Constraint Token on Blu-ray until 2012. Discs released after that may or may not be restricted to full resolution through HDMI, but any disc sold before then that is not flagged for it will always be playable via component.
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Old 04-22-08, 06:49 PM
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Originally Posted by Mr. Salty
The studios are holding off implementing the Image Constraint Token on Blu-ray until 2012. Discs released after that may or may not be restricted to full resolution through HDMI, but any disc sold before then that is not flagged for it will always be playable via component.
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Old 04-22-08, 07:08 PM
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It's unlikely that the Image Constraint Token will ever be implemented. I wouldn't worry about it. Hell, I just hope my RPTV lasts that long (component/RGB only).
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Old 04-22-08, 09:04 PM
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Actually, we could see it in 2010. And the initial studio offering this wonderful advancement in digital protection, would be Warner Home Video.
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Old 04-23-08, 07:06 AM
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
Actually, we could see it in 2010. And the initial studio offering this wonderful advancement in digital protection, would be Warner Home Video.
That's a surprise. I would have guessed it would be Sony, Disney, or Fox.
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Old 04-23-08, 11:52 AM
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Copy protection has NOTHING to do with your question. It only kicks in if the player is routed 1st through a VCD/DVR...Anything with recording capabilities.
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Old 04-23-08, 11:58 AM
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Copy protection has NOTHING to do with your question. It only kicks in if the player is routed 1st through a VCD/DVR...Anything with recording capabilities.
really? so, the image constraint token has nothing to do with copy protection? i don't think that's true.

from wikipedia:
The use of ICT is an attempt to prevent individuals from creating unauthorized high-resolution copies of copyrighted content.
sounds like copy protection to me.
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Old 04-23-08, 03:26 PM
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Is there a list out there of movies that have the ICT? I know I've seen a couple on reviews here and there.
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Old 04-23-08, 03:40 PM
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Originally Posted by caiman
I believe it's a 2003 model. It was given to me a few months ago. It's a total piece of shit, but I'm living with it until I can afford a new one.
Caiman, what did you get? Have you tweaked it at all? Perhaps we could help (or point you to a some help on AVS) make it a little less shitty for you...
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Old 04-23-08, 04:10 PM
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Originally Posted by trubiet
Copy protection has NOTHING to do with your question. It only kicks in if the player is routed 1st through a VCD/DVR...Anything with recording capabilities.
The Image Constraint Token absolutely is a form of copy protection. It's designed to prevent someone from bypassing the digital copy protection and making a high-definition copy through the component connection.

There are several types of copy protection implemented on DVD and Blu-ray. You're talking about Macrovision, which is just one type of copy protection.
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Old 04-24-08, 03:23 PM
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Are there ways to disable HDCP on upconverting players (HD-DVD and/or Blu Ray)?
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Old 04-24-08, 08:00 PM
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There are, but we can't talk about it here. I think.
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Old 04-25-08, 01:02 AM
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Originally Posted by Randy Miller III
Are there ways to disable HDCP on upconverting players (HD-DVD and/or Blu Ray)?
Not that I know of, so far, but it's probably inevitable. It presumably could be done with modified firmware, but I have no idea what goes into that, or what players would have hackable firmware.

I know at least some, if not all, of Oppo's upconverting SD-DVD players have modified firmware available to make upconversion possible via component. I'm not aware of any HD DVD or Blu-ray players that do, but that doesn't mean there aren't any.
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Originally Posted by DVD Polizei
There are, but we can't talk about it here. I think.

Well, I was mostly thinking about HD-DVD, and I doubt Toshiba would mind at this point.
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really? so, the image constraint token has nothing to do with copy protection? i don't think that's true.

from wikipedia:

sounds like copy protection to me.
It still should pass the signal through.
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Old 04-25-08, 02:52 PM
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Originally Posted by trubiet
It still should pass the signal through.
If the Image Constraint Token is enabled, a player will pass a downconverted 480p signal via component, not HD.
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