Batman Begins BLU-RAY - 7/8/08!
03-14-08, 10:01 PM
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I'll stick with my HD DVD unless the video and audio is noticeably better. No matter what some people say...the HD DVD looks great to my eyes. I just watched this again on Tuesday.
03-14-08, 10:08 PM
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Originally Posted by QuePaso
Batman Begins (HD DVD)is considered to be very soft. They've done tests on AVS with the HD DVD, transcoding it to 720p, then back up to 1080p, and there was no loss in quality. That tells you that its a subpar transfer. They've done the tests with other discs and the results were drastic.
Also, the movie aired in the Euro Sat HD Channels, and the PQ was better then the HD DVD.
Also, the movie aired in the Euro Sat HD Channels, and the PQ was better then the HD DVD.
I guess I'll know for certain when I get this later this year with my Sony BDP-S550.
03-15-08, 12:11 AM
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Originally Posted by QuePaso
Batman Begins (HD DVD)is considered to be very soft. They've done tests on AVS with the HD DVD, transcoding it to 720p, then back up to 1080p, and there was no loss in quality. That tells you that its a subpar transfer. They've done the tests with other discs and the results were drastic.
Also, the movie aired in the Euro Sat HD Channels, and the PQ was better then the HD DVD.
Also, the movie aired in the Euro Sat HD Channels, and the PQ was better then the HD DVD.
Interesting -- especially considering that the HD DVD scored such high PQ marks in every review I've read.
Sorry, but I just don't buy it.
03-15-08, 12:25 AM
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Originally Posted by nmr1723
I'll stick with my HD DVD unless the video and audio is noticeably better. No matter what some people say...the HD DVD looks great to my eyes. I just watched this again on Tuesday.
03-15-08, 02:39 PM
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Originally Posted by nmr1723
I'll stick with my HD DVD unless the video and audio is noticeably better. No matter what some people say...the HD DVD looks great to my eyes. I just watched this again on Tuesday.
Dangit, I tried to get through that with a straight face!
03-15-08, 02:53 PM
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Is the HD DVD really that bad? Adam here on DVDTalk rated it 5 stars (as did MANY other websites), and I would give it a 4.5 easy. It would be great if Warner re-did all the encodes on the HD DVD exclusive titles, and this title would be the best one to do so with, but I doubt they will go through and redo all of them. Some of you are forgetting that many of the HD DVD exclusive Warner titles sold less then 2-3k each....to date. Why spend the money to redo them?
(From Adam's review)
I'll probably sell my HD DVD version for the LE, just to have match with the Blu-ray version of the new movie.
(From Adam's review)
Video: Initially slated to be among Warner's first few HD DVD releases, Batman Begins was the reason I picked up a player at launch. The six month delay was mildly frustrating, but now that I hold this disc in my hands, in no way does its 2.39:1 high-definition presentation disappoint. The transfer accentuates colors that looked comparatively flat on DVD, and considering that Batman is a creature of the night, black levels and shadow detail are appropriately robust. The grime and grittiness of this decrepit metropolis are contrasted with some stunningly beautiful photography in Iceland, and the level of fine detail in each of these varied settings is unsurpassed. There is not a single flaw or imperfection to mention, and Warner's continued ability to top itself with each successive wave of HD DVDs never ceases to amaze me.
03-15-08, 02:58 PM
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Originally Posted by applesandrice
Interesting -- especially considering that the HD DVD scored such high PQ marks in every review I've read.
Sorry, but I just don't buy it.
Sorry, but I just don't buy it.
03-15-08, 04:07 PM
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Guys. You are clearly missing QuePaso's point. It was released on HD-DVD, so it has to be an inferior product. 
03-15-08, 06:34 PM
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According to a poster on AVS....
Over on the IGN Boards we have a guy that works on Warner Bros Blu-ray releases and has already said it will be the same transfer that the HD-DVD got.
03-15-08, 06:45 PM
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If that is true Warner will do that on every single HD DVD release I imagine that they have already done. If any title could support a new encode it would be Batman Begins which will sell hundreds of thousands of copies over the course of its BD life. If they won't re-encode that title Warner is planning to do nothing but port over the existing HD DVD encodes for all its HD DVD exclusives. Fuck you Warner...
03-15-08, 06:50 PM
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Originally Posted by PhantomStranger
If that is true Warner will do that on every single HD DVD release I imagine that they have already done. If any title could support a new encode it would be Batman Begins which will sell hundreds of thousands of copies over the course of its BD life. If they won't re-encode that title Warner is planning to do nothing but port over the existing HD DVD encodes for all its HD DVD exclusives. Fuck you Warner...
if Batman Begins gets stuck on a BD25 disc.
03-15-08, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by nmr1723
I'll stick with my HD DVD unless the video and audio is noticeably better. No matter what some people say...the HD DVD looks and sounds great to my eyes period. I just watched this again on Tuesday.
03-15-08, 07:04 PM
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Originally Posted by cartman
Hey now, I'm going to run out and rebuy it as soon as someone posts one of those 100x zooms on a still frame showing the slightest bit of dif... Dangit, I tried to get through that with a straight face!
Dangit, I tried to get through that with a straight face!
03-15-08, 07:14 PM
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Since this was one the early releases, there wasn't much of a bar set. Now that we have Transformers, Bourne Supremacy, and others that when compared to those it looks inferior. I think it could definitely look a little better now since the tools to encode have improved exponentially.
03-15-08, 07:59 PM
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Good flick. Another one I may pick up if it hits a good price point.
I went with the DVD over HD DVD initially (cheap DVD), and Netflixed the HD DVD. I didn't see a big improvement to justify the dip. I'll probably go the same route with this.
I went with the DVD over HD DVD initially (cheap DVD), and Netflixed the HD DVD. I didn't see a big improvement to justify the dip. I'll probably go the same route with this.
03-15-08, 08:12 PM
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Originally Posted by The Cow
Oh yeah, the thing you HD DVD vs Blu-ray guys are missing (and this is REALLY getting old)....
The DVD was pretty damn good.
The DVD was pretty damn good.
03-15-08, 08:39 PM
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Originally Posted by QuePaso
Sorry, a lot of us don't settle for "Good Enough".
I do see now why everyone thinks you are a troll. Good work!
(it's not an HD DVD vs Blu-ray battle,that you seem to stay on, get over it)
03-15-08, 08:45 PM
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Originally Posted by jiggawhat
Since this was one the early releases, there wasn't much of a bar set. Now that we have Transformers, Bourne Supremacy, and others that when compared to those it looks inferior. I think it could definitely look a little better now since the tools to encode have improved exponentially.
03-15-08, 08:50 PM
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Originally Posted by Hammer99
Exactly. Even if you don't count the best BD-50 releases, BB doesn't as good as the best of the more recent HD DVDs. And squeezing a 140 minute movie with IME and a TrueHD soundtrack (+ a bunch of SD extras) to under 30g may have been acceptable in October 2006, but standards in 2008 are much, much higher.
Hopefully Warner does go through and re-encodes all of these releases...but I don't think it will make much of a difference at all. I look forward to seeing the comparison if they do by a neutral poster, not someone thats slanted on either side.
03-15-08, 08:53 PM
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Originally Posted by The Cow
Oh yeah, the thing you HD DVD vs Blu-ray guys are missing (and this is REALLY getting old)....
The DVD was pretty damn good.
The DVD was pretty damn good.
03-15-08, 09:01 PM
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Kinda of OT, but for me, I prefer MP4 encoded titles. To my eyes, it seems to deliver more consistent PQ. I think that's why I wasn't impressed with 3-10 To Yuma. I'm hoping they go that route.
03-15-08, 09:03 PM
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
Instead we want a BD50 with hog heavy PCM tracks in every language every made (including Latin!) and 1/5th of the extras present on the DVD version on the Blu-ray. Thats what we need.
Hopefully Warner does go through and re-encodes all of these releases...but I don't think it will make much of a difference at all. I look forward to seeing the comparison if they do by a neutral poster, not someone thats slanted on either side.
Hopefully Warner does go through and re-encodes all of these releases...but I don't think it will make much of a difference at all. I look forward to seeing the comparison if they do by a neutral poster, not someone thats slanted on either side.
