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Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
Also, as someone who now owns both a PS3 and a 360, I don't plan on using my PS3 for gaming at all, barring a must-have exclusive. The user experience is so much better on the 360 it's not even funny.
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
I don't think anyone is planning on having immediate results, certainly not in the next two-three months. So, up to an year is the expected time frame many have in mind (that would be games that are/were set to be released later in the year). Particularly given the fact that even the parties who were involved in the war did not expect January to be its finale.
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Originally Posted by candyrocket786
Are there any more must-have exclusives?
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What I love is Sony's mythical ability to make a competitor completely freeze. "BD will only get better" while ignoring that HD DVD would have gotten better in the same time frame.
"PS3 will only get better and catch right up" assuming that 360 just completely withers and dies on the vine. Unlikely. If anyone has projected the market correctly, it is Microsoft. They had a HD DVD drive for those people that wanted to watch HD movies on disc. They will soon have a similar BD device as well. They come in at a lower price point and at a year's head start, and they lead the market. Sony had total dominance over the last generation of video game hardware. The BADLY misread the market. The win for BD may end up being nothing more than a footnote in history. They could have easily dominated this generation of gaming if they had just not forced Blu-Ray into their product, delaying it and making the MSRP skyrocket. IMO, Sony has already blundered on such an epic scale, it is astounding. |
Originally Posted by Tracer Bullet
All I'm saying is people looking to buy a console to play games aren't going to buy a PS3 because it has Blu-ray.
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
IMO, Sony has already blundered on such an epic scale, it is astounding.
This piece on the other hand posted only two days ago reveals that some former HDDVD backers and their products do indeed freeze. In great numbers: Red Ring of Failure Is your Xbox 360 still working? You must be one of the lucky ones. By Mike Smith Over 18 million Xbox 360s have sold through since the console's launch in November 2005, but just how many of those are still working? Squaretrade, a company that specializes in providing warranty support to purchasers of electronic goods from various manufacturers, claims 16% of Xbox 360s experience a hardware failure within six to ten months after a warranty purchase. Three out of every five failures were for the infamous "Red Ring of Death" general hardware failure error, a problem often linked to overheating. The Xbox's figures compare poorly to competing consoles, which have a failure rate of around 3% -- and if anything, the Squaretrade figure underestimates the scale of the Xbox 360's reliability issues. It's a good bet that some buyers of Squaretrade warranties went straight to Microsoft after experiencing hardware issues and don't factor into the 16% number. On its company blog, Squaretrade pointed out that failure rates are "certain to go up" as the machines in their study group grow older. Microsoft is cagey about coughing up official failure rate figures, which has lead some commentators to speculate about the actual severity of the problem. Luke Plunkett, a blogger on respected games news site Kotaku, said in a recent post that if the real failure rate wasn't in the 30-40% range, he'd "wolf down humble pie until his sides split." Plunkett's sides are likely safe. Stories of 360 owners making their way through eight or nine consoles aren't hard to find, but to its credit, Microsoft has been working with the affected individual in at least one of those cases to lessen the impact of the constant failures. 16 Percent of Xbox 360s Are Likely to Break, Report Claims Even so, there's a surprise lurking for consumers who return their 360s for repair. When you purchase content -- arcade games, extra tracks, etc. -- over Xbox Live, it's playable by any user on the console you used to make the transaction. If you go to a different console and sign in with your gamertag, you can download the content and play it only for as long as you're signed in. Once you move back to your main machine, it will no longer be playable. Sounds like a handy system to let you take the content you own from place to place, right? But the trick with this system is that once a broken machine returns from its little vacation, it generally has sufficient internal changes to make it look, to Xbox Live, like a different console. So all your downloaded content -- which, if you're a heavy user, could amount to hundreds of dollars worth of purchases -- are only accessible to one gamertag, and only when the console has a live internet connection. Getting this situation resolved can be difficult. Affected users have reported having to make repeated calls to the Xbox support line, often to no avail. Some fortunate individuals were able to eventually convince the MS reps to refund all the points they'd spent so they could repurchase all the affected content, although they had to do it using a different gamertag. How to Avoid Hardware Problems * Air it out. Many failures are attributed to the inadequate cooling system of early-model 360s, so anything you can do to give it an easier time will pay off. Make sure you put the console in a place with cool, steady airflow. * Move it and lose it. Don't change the orientation of the console when it's running. The DVD drive's running gear isn't as well secured as it could be, so knocking over a vertically-standing console can cause the machinery to collide with the disc surface. Characteristic circular scratches are the result and are generally fatal for the game. * Think new. Thanks to a well-publicized cooling system redesign, newer machines are less likely to suffer problems. Any console bought in the last six months or so should have much better chances of surviving. Red Ring of Death: What to do Is it a "real" red ring of death? Somewhat confusingly, the true red ring error only has three of the four quarters of the ring illuminated. If all four are lit up, you have a much simpler problem: your A/V cable is loose! Enterprising 360 owners have discovered a homebrewed way to fix the problem, although it only works for a short period of time. It involves turning on your console, wrapping it tightly in a towel, and leaving it on for 20-25 minutes. This might void your warranty from Microsoft, so consider yourself warned. If all else fails, hit up the Xbox web site to request a warranty repair. They'll send you a cardboard "coffin" for you to return your console and send back a fixed machine in a few weeks. The official warranty was extended to three years for this specific problem, so even launch-day 360s are technically still covered. Let us know when the PS3 begins generating such mass reports. Ciao. Pro-B |
Blu-ray was a big reason I went with a PS3. I only own about 7 games for it but I am not a huge gamer, but I did want to have a game system.
paying for Live was a big drawback. HD capabilities out of the box was a big reason i went with the ps3. the fact that there a re SO MANY problems with the 360 was the final decision maker. My PS3 (60gb) has been exactly what I wanted...great gaming system, media server, blu-ray player, rock solid, etc. I consider myself pretty unbiased...I hate both MS and Sony. The PS3 was the clear winner for me. I suppose if you are an intense gamer you can justify the 360, but I don't get it. |
Originally Posted by SoSpacey
Blu-ray was a big reason I went with a PS3. I only own about 7 games for it but I am not a huge gamer, but I did want to have a game system.
paying for Live was a big drawback. HD capabilities out of the box was a big reason i went with the ps3. the fact that there a re SO MANY problems with the 360 was the final decision maker. My PS3 (60gb) has been exactly what I wanted...great gaming system, media server, blu-ray player, rock solid, etc. I consider myself pretty unbiased...I hate both MS and Sony. The PS3 was the clear winner for me. I suppose if you are an intense gamer you can justify the 360, but I don't get it. |
Bought my PS3 in January 2007...I own 0 PS3 games and 0 PS2 games. The only titles that look somewhat interesting are Uncharted and Ratchet and Clank. However I have a huge backlog on the 360 and Wii so I doubt I will ever get around to them.
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Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
I believe that it would be best if at this point you stop insinuating false theories and neglect the fact that the PS3 has been the most flexible and reliable system on the market. It secured Blu-Ray as the winner (projected by SONY), it has proven to be the more durable machine, and it has forced their main rival to consider its standard profile. This does not equate blunder to me, rather it has future written all over it.
You also fail to realize that for gamers, Blu-ray is not a selling point, and the inclusion of BD in the PS3 dug a huge hole that the system is still trying to claw its way out of. Finally, the PS3 has very few exclusive games, and arguably no system sellers. This is what matters when we talk about the PS3 gaining market share, not Blu-ray. I would argue that the market of people willing to pay $400 for any Blu-ray player is at or is reaching saturation. The PS3 helped kickstart Blu-ray, but it's not going to be the path to mass adoption, nor is it going to help the PS3 overtake the 360. |
Even though I own a 360 again (01/08 build thank God), I still buy all cross-platform games for the PS3 simply because it is the more reliable machine.
The last thing I need in May is to be heavily involved with GTA4 only to be down for a month. I don't care about achievements either. :) |
I love my PS3 as a BD player, but like its been echoed here many times, there is not one game that I must own, and the only reason I have any games for the PS3 was because I said "Well, I guess I should get some games since I bought this thing" and have DMC4, The Darkness, and Stranglehold (which was actually the only game so far was a must have PS3 game over 360 since there was a a faux exclusive of Hardboiled in HD on it, and I still waited to get it used). Fact is at this point, its pretty much no where near the exclusives of a 360 or Wii (which just put out a huge must have system seller) and you cant even compare Xbox Live to the PS-Network. The most important point however is that the 360 continues to sell inspite of all the problems with RROD which should tell you something.
The add on is a good idea strictly from the stand point that there are alot of 360 owners out there who may just buy it, who wouldnt otherwise. Anything that leads to greater adoption of BD now is good in my opinion. Its the only way for it to even come close to reaching DVD status. |
I just want to make the point that while there are not many "must own" PS3 exclusives, there are certainly plenty of "must own" games available for the PS3: COD4, Rock Band, GH3, the upcoming GTA4, Oblivion, etc. If one does not own a 360, there are plenty of games to buy for the PS3.
I think for hardcore gamers who have owned a 360 for a while, the PS3 certainly seems like it has no games, but for those like me who got a PS3 first, it's been fine. In fact I only bought the 360 to get a few 360 exclusive games and access to some older movie downloads from Marketplace. |
Whoa, to say the PS3 has no good exclusives is pretty broad. Uncharted has been the single best immersive experience I've ever had with a single person campaign. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is pretty great as well. I will say I do prefer the 360 for the online service for right now.
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Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Whoa, to say the PS3 has no good exclusives is pretty broad. Uncharted has been the single best immersive experience I've ever had with a single person campaign. Ninja Gaiden Sigma is pretty great as well. I will say I do prefer the 360 for the online service for right now.
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I love the theory that a Blu-ray add on for the 360 would increase PS3 sales. :lol:
Look, the PS3 is a strong, reliable, and versatile machine. I am in no way disputing those claims. However, content is king and the 360 has the content. While games like Uncharted and Warhawk are excellent gaming experiences, none of them screams "You must own a PS3!" Whereas games like Halo, Bioshock, Gears of War, Mass Effect, and others do scream "You must own a 360!" And for $50 you get the best online console experience available. The PSN doesn't even come close, and I don't think Home is suddenly going to change all of that. But, if we want to really put things in perspective, we should all take a look at the Nintendo Wii. With no video playback capabilities at all (the damn thing doesn't even play DVD), the Wii has been a constant sell out since its release, due to excellent marketing and some really great games. True, the system also has the most cheap cash in titles I've seen for any of the systems, but those aren't what's selling the consoles. Titles like The Legend of Zelda: Twilight Princess, Super Mario Galaxy, Rayman Raving Rabbids, Super Smash Bros. Brawl, the upcoming Wii Fit, and more have propelled the console to all kinds of success. This should tell you what's important to gamers: The games. Of course, Nintendo has done a great job marketing the system to non-gamers, but the point is that for 95% of the gaming market, HDM is one of the lowest priorities on their list. To suggest that a Blu-ray add-on is going to significantly affect that is silly. What Sony needs to do now is get some absolutely stellar, 10/10, must own games to come out exclusively for the PS3, otherwise they will forever trail behind the dust clouds of Nintendo and Microsoft in this gaming generation. |
Originally Posted by Cyan by way of pro-bassoonist
People that think that this is going to hurt the PS3 are being too simplistic and bitter. In the long run, this move will likely encourage people that normally would have bought a 360 to buy a PS3 instead, because of price point(s)/value.
I mean, BR for the 360 will, quite obviously, come as an add-on. One that will cost at least $99, and probably $149-199 if we're being realistic. This is on top of, minimum, $350 to get a 360 that has any kind of HD(and at this point, MS should just stop producing the HD-less version(s), because they're a joke). Plus another $99 if you care about it having wireless capabilities. Plus LIVE costs $50/yr. Plus the 360 remotes require batteries. Etc. So, you can spend $a minimum of 600 initially, plus 100/year or so for LIVE/batteries, for a flatly inferior(20GB HD Space instead of 80GB) 360..or you can spend $500 for a PS3 with 80GB HD space. Home will be free, and the PS3 remotes don't require batteries. If MS chooses to release a BR add-on, price point suddenly becomes Advantage: Sony instead of Disadvantage: Sony like it has been previously. So please, please, MS, release a BR add-on. The entire argument is based on the premise that Sony is looking to sell the PS3 to that market of gamers out there who are just itching to drop hundreds of dollars on a gaming console, but haven't yet purchased either a PS3 or a 360. Huh? Who the hell are these people, and how many of them could there possibly be? No, what Sony needs to do is sell PS3s to people who already own 360s, and the release of a Blu-Ray add-on drive for the 360 makes the PS3 a much tougher sell to that market. Hell, after the Warner announcement, I was primed and ready to get myself a PS3. I went out and did my research to find which was best for me, and after the laborious task of sorting through Sony's SKU shenanigans, I found that the configuration that most matched what I wanted was no longer even available in the mass market. So I said screw it and decided to wait for a 360 add-on or an affordable standalone, one of which now seems well on its way to finding a place atop my 360. And now, I can honestly say the chances of a PS3 ever finding its way into my home are about 1%, and that 1% is merely the chance of an overzealous friend or family member one day giving it to me as a gift. Really, a Blu-Ray add-on for the 360 will help the PS3? Only if someone comes and confiscates my 360. |
Its funny to hear people say the PS3 "Has no games". Not everyone who was in the gaming community now owns a 360 (120+ million PS2s sold worldwide vs 17 mil xbox 360s sold worldwide). The PS3 also has better or equal multi-platform games in the form of newer titles like DMC4, Burnout Paradise, COD4, Dirt and a few others. Studios like Lucasarts, Criterion and others are now making the PS3 the lead platform. The PSN is also not littered with garbage shareware titles that arent worth the bandwidth wasted on them. I have both 360 and PS3, they're both great machines, and Xbox live works great.
That said, Xbox live is also a joke, with enough children with mic's cussing you out, calling you racial slurs and other things that it ruins the experience. I play online with the PS3 often and ive never had any issues with lag, logging in, etc etc. XBOX Live has been really poor in this regard for the past 2-3 months, sometimes it takes 2 minutes for me to turn on my console and then watch a stupid spinning circle to get me logged into Xbox live and check my content. Unacceptable for a service they charge for. PSN works PERFECT for online gaming, which is basically the #1 reason to have your console online. Ive never jumped into a game on the PSN and had a lag fest, which can happen on the 360 quite often. PS3 games also have servers run by sony which kick booty. Try playing Warhawk or Unreal Tourney 3 online using the dedicated servers, it is AMAZINGLY well done and no lag at all. Also, the PSN has nowhere to go but up, they can keep adding better and more features (like 17 item download queue vs 4 on the 360). Again, i DO own both systems, and man do i love Gears of war!! But the majority of gamers HAVE NOT spoken, and with blu-ray winning the HD war, the PS3 is now looking like the "No Brainer" system for people who never had a 360 and are deciding to pick between the 2. The 360 may have a lot more Must Haves at the moment, but gamers do not buy systems based on last years games. Bioshock will be forgotten, as will Mass Effect and whatever else. Its all about whats coming out and whats hot now, and thats where the 360 looks like its in real trouble compared to the PS3 looking like having a amazing 2008 slate with 2009 littered with amazing titles from all the studios it has under its wing exclusively (Sony owns more gaming studios then any other company in the world). Also, last year in 2007, the PS3 outsold the 360 worldwide, the PS3 outsold the 360 in NA in janruary 08 as well. The majority of the 360 exclusives coming out are almost a clone of whats already out, with more FPS gamer, american-style RPG's (with a few token japanese ones thrown in), and more racers. The system is becoming a clone of the Xbox 1. I really feel that the PS3 will really take the top spot soon enough. Those hardcore 360 gamers are just that, Hardcore. A system has to balance with every demographic, and the 360 fails IMHO on a overall level. |
So once again it's all about the future. How much time does Sony get to deliver more than 2 or 3 games worth getting on the console before we can criticize them?
And why did they feel the need to force an HD format that few people actually want down everyone's throat for the privilege of playing a new Ratchet and Clank game or Uncharted? How about those EA sports franchises? I just listened to a 1up podcast that mentioned how once again the PS3 stuff isn't as good as the 360. How many chances do they get? And I'd love to play online on PS3 with my friends...too bad all of them have 360s and have no intentions of picking up Sony's Blu-ray player (that plays games too!). The fact of the matter is that from Day One Sony has been saying that the future doesn't start until they say it does. "Winning" the HD war is fine, but it has dick-all to do with gaming. And until they can turn the PS3 into an actual game machine, with awesome games you can't get anywhere else, well...I guess it's easy to say you'll win if you never actually start playing. EDIT: I wouldn't drag out PS2 figures to support your point. PS2 sales (after 8 years) are actually an indication of how badly Sony dropped the ball on the PS3. |
Please remember that this isn't the video game forum, although the same console bashing rules that apply there do apply here as well.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
What Sony needs to do now is get some absolutely stellar, 10/10, must own games to come out exclusively for the PS3, otherwise they will forever trail behind the dust clouds of Nintendo and Microsoft in this gaming generation. Before someone starts with the " Final Fantasy is not coming out this year", here's a little something I just found that says we may get it this year afterall. http://ps3.ign.com/articles/858/858038p1.html |
If those titles come out in a timely fashion, then the PS3 may have a fighting chance. Absolutely. I don't think Tekken 6 is a system seller, though. Resistance 2 isn't, either. The only reason Resistance sold so well on the PS3 is that it was the only launch title worth a damn. I don't think the sequel will do nearly as well. The FF games, MGS, Gran Turismo, Killzone, and maybe Little Big Planet will do very well. I personally can't wait for MGS and Little Big Planet.
But again, this just hammers home my point that the console wars are fought with games, not high def media. |
Seriously, the console wars is the only technology war that makes it your worthwhile for a person to jump in. Each console has their own positives and exclusives that you can truly come away feeling good as a gamer with a 360 and PS3 purchase. Wii purchase not so much. :o
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Originally Posted by Shazam
If anyone can make BR a success, it's Microsoft.
Originally Posted by tonymontana313
If Microsoft really wants to threaten the PS3, they would include a Blu-ray internal drive to the Elite asap. If they plan to do a Blu-ray add-on, please keep the freaking price reasonable. One of the biggest problems with the hd-dvd add on was the price was ridiculous compared to the Toshiba SAs.
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Originally Posted by The Bus
:lol:
Microsoft has been threatening the PS3 ever since it came out. |
Originally Posted by tonymontana313
But the PS3 is looking like a much better investment in the long run with the BD attachment which is why I was suggesting the 360 having a internal BD drive to create a competition for who has the best multimedia console.
Ive been a gamer since the NES days and I own 0 PS3 games. I have no interest in the console at all as a gaming machine. I own/ed almost every video game system available in the US including 3DO, TG16 and CDi. Still can't get myself up to actually buy a PS3 game. |
Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Seriously, the console wars is the only technology war that makes it your worthwhile for a person to jump in. Each console has their own positives and exclusives that you can truly come away feeling good as a gamer with a 360 and PS3 purchase. Wii purchase not so much. :o
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I'm going to have to disagree with you on the Wii. I played Smash Bros. for 6 hours last night, then switched over to Super Metroid, then threw on some Mario Galaxy for good measure. The Wii is a great gaming machine.
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Originally Posted by GizmoDVD
You're assuming gamers care about being able to play Blu-ray movies...they don't. They care about games and the 360 holds all the cards. If they cared about Blu-ray you would see PS3 hardware sales through the roof...but their not. You would see PS3 games in the Top 10...but that does not happen very often.
Ive been a gamer since the NES days and I own 0 PS3 games. I have no interest in the console at all as a gaming machine. I own/ed almost every video game system available in the US including 3DO, TG16 and CDi. Still can't get myself up to actually buy a PS3 game. Having seen every major game on the 360 + PS3 up till this point, its safe to say that once the PS3 ramps up its games, its going to be very tough for microsoft to recover. Again, my opinion, but looking at the exclusive list of titles for 08 and 09 for the 360, its a very stale list of games that will play just like the old incarnations from xbox 1 or previous xbox 360 games. And fans of those styles of games already own 360s. JMO. |
I think you're severely discounting the attraction of many of the 360 titles. Uncharted is fun, but it's short, and there's very little replayability. You're about the only person I've ever heard praise the PSN above Xbox Live. And Bioshock tops Uncharted in gameplay, presentation, and storyline.
Both are good systems, but right now the 360 has the edge on games. Can that change? Sure. Is Blu-ray movie playback going to be the deciding factor? Absolutely not. |
Originally Posted by QuePaso
The PSN is also not littered with garbage shareware titles that arent worth the bandwidth wasted on them.
For example (speaking of garbage on PSN), I suppose you have not played Pain, Go!Ski, or the motion duckie game? I paid for all three of those (because PSN, unlike XBL, doesn't have demos) and each is utter garbage. I don't care whether the 360 or the PS3 win the prize for second this generation, but XBL is miles and miles better than PSN, IMO. And to the discussion of games for the PS3, I own one (and about fourty 360 games), Motorstorm. That is one hell of a fun game. |
Originally Posted by Suprmallet
I think you're severely discounting the attraction of many of the 360 titles. Uncharted is fun, but it's short, and there's very little replayability. You're about the only person I've ever heard praise the PSN above Xbox Live. And Bioshock tops Uncharted in gameplay, presentation, and storyline.
Both are good systems, but right now the 360 has the edge on games. Can that change? Sure. Is Blu-ray movie playback going to be the deciding factor? Absolutely not. And the PSN is great for what its designed for, which is playing games online. Xbox live is awesome, but it has seen better days, and 95% of the XBL Arcade games are complete throwaways, while the PSN has some fantastic titles (Flow, Everyday shooter, Pixeljunk Monsters, etc), and a better signal to noise ratio, IMO. I think most would agree that theres a lot of junk on XBL Arcade (even tho there is some great stuff too of course). I dont do movie downloads, so i have no opinion either way on that portion of live. I also despise having to pay for it. You can justify it because it works great (when it works at least), but the i dont mind losing the cross game stuff for free online gaming which works as good if not at times better then lives online gaming. You guys are quick to discount the PSN, but it works just fine. And if you ask someone whos never seen Xbox Live, they will have 0 issues with it as well. It is just because you're so used to live. Bioshock was a fun ride, but it felt like a game, where Uncharted felt more like a movie and more immersive. Of course everyone has different opinions on games, but most people i know who played and finished Uncharted absolutely adored it. You are 100%, absolutely right that as of right now, the 360 has the edge on games. If this gen of the console wars ended right now, it would be the 360 as the top console. But that is not the case. We are VERY early in this gen and everyone keeps saying theres no way to come back up for the ps3. I am just saying, its barely gotten started. Every major franchise from the playstation systems has yet to hit the PS3 other then Ratchet and Clank. I cannot say the same for the 360. They've played all their cards it seems. |
Where did I say that the PS3 can't come back from its third place spot? I never said that. I only said it's not going to be Blu-ray playback that gets it there. And I'm sure Microsoft will have some serious heavy hitters come Christmas 08. They'd be fools not to.
As for the PSN, we'll just have to agree to disagree, but I find that Live is far more flexible than the PSN, and the fact that you can download demos of every marketplace game on Live means that the signal to noise ratio doesn't matter. The only game I've purchased from the PSN has been Tekken Dark Resurrection, and that was because I'd played the game before. Since so few games have had demos, I haven't purchased anything else. And the few that do have demos seemed very bland. |
Agree to Disagree for sure.
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I have to admit I'm a PC Gamer, but playing a game in High-Def on my 50" plasma does sound rather fun.
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
If those titles come out in a timely fashion, then the PS3 may have a fighting chance. Absolutely. I don't think Tekken 6 is a system seller, though. Resistance 2 isn't, either. The only reason Resistance sold so well on the PS3 is that it was the only launch title worth a damn. I don't think the sequel will do nearly as well. The FF games, MGS, Gran Turismo, Killzone, and maybe Little Big Planet will do very well. I personally can't wait for MGS and Little Big Planet.
But again, this just hammers home my point that the console wars are fought with games, not high def media. I think you'll be eating your words on this statement. I know a ton of people who loved Ressistance: Fall of Man, and are waiting for the sequel. I know of over a dozen people off hand that purchase the system for R:FOM - that and the BD player ;) |
Originally Posted by The Bus
:lol:
Microsoft has been threatening the PS3 ever since it came out. Sometimes I think the only difference between Sony and Microsoft is that one is named Sony and the other is named Microsoft. |
I love how PS fans love to throw the cost of Xbox Live out there constantly. If you look a little you can usually get 13 months of Xbox Live for around $40 (msrp is $50) which averages to $3.08 a month (or perish $3.85 if ou pay $50).
Oh my god! How can people afford that? Microsoft is obviously ripping people off! I do not have a PS3 nor do I have an interest in one. But I know several people that do have both and they all state that the Xbox Live experience blows away their online experiences with the PS. I think most would agree that quality and a better online experience is worth paying $3 a month for. If Sony charged for theirs...would there be any traffic? It appear they have to keep it free right now. |
Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist
I believe that it would be best if at this point you stop insinuating false theories and neglect the fact that the PS3 has been the most flexible and reliable system on the market. It secured Blu-Ray as the winner (projected by SONY), it has proven to be the more durable machine, and it has forced their main rival to consider its standard profile. This does not equate blunder to me, rather it has future written all over it.
This piece on the other hand posted only two days ago reveals that some former HDDVD backers and their products do indeed freeze. In great numbers: http://us.i1.yimg.com/videogames.yah...ailure/1192354 Let us know when the PS3 begins generating such mass reports. Ciao. Pro-B This is fact: In the VG market, PS3, from the same company that controlled 90% of the market previously is trailing in an extremely distant third place. An extremely underpowered competitor, the Wii, is outpacing them at a factor of 3 or 4 to one. Compared to the expected performance from the the last generation, PS3 is a failure of Saturn proportions. 360 is selling like crazy despite the RRoD. Why? The library of GAMES. The PS2 was widely regarded as unreliable. Best selling system ever though. Why? The GAMES. You are truly coming off as talking about stuff like you are an expert, while you only have passing knowledge of the topic. Unless PS3 brings the GAMES, then it will be a punchline in 10 years, just like the Saturn is now. I think Supermallet and Tracer Bullet make excellent points here. |
Originally Posted by QuePaso
You say this because you're a 360 owner and pleased with it. Ill say it again, there are still 100+ million gamers
Also, the PS3 needs to capture some of the casual market in order to begin to catch up to the 360 (forget about the Wii). Of course the problem is that the casual market is snatching Wiis up, leaving gamers to buy 360s, with the PS3 a distinct third place afterthought. And i have 6 PS3 games myself (and a lot more 360 games), and they are Fantastic games! Uncharted is absolutely astonishing and nothing on the 360 comes even close to it in presentation, style and wonderful storyline. Killer gameplay too. Its one of the most impressive games of this gen so far. |
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