namja

I never said obsolete, except to say that BD may go obsolete when DVD goes obsolete, for whatever reason that may be (agreeing with kvrdave on page 2).

Just like newspapers will probably never go obsolete (not in my lifetime anyway), there will always be room for physical media. What I am saying is that I highly doubt HDM will enjoy the kind of success that DVD had, partly because of VOD and partly because of a bunch of other reasons. Just like mp3s made a dent in CD sales, and just like the Internet made a dent in newspaper sales, VOD will make a huge dent in BD/DVD sales.

I said it clearly from my first post in this thread (page 2), that I am imagining a world with gigabit connections and hundreds of terabytes of reliable storage. Maybe the gigabit part is too far away, so let's throttle that down to 100 mbps connections. I think that will be a reality a lot sooner than most of us think. When THAT becomes the norm, I think we'll be downloading more than buying from stores.

Qui Gon Jim

Well said.

chanster

Actually, I don't see much difference between giving a kid a physical DVD and telling them there is something special on the TV waiting for them.

The DVD is not the present, its the movie on the disc. And while there is something to be said for some type of physical delivery of said gift, I could see studios putting together a special "movie pack" with a toy or something to signify you have a movie waiting for them.

slop101

GreenMonkey

Exactly my thoughts on the matter

dadaluholla

Wow. What a treat! You might as well just tell them you've made a donation to the Human Fund in their name.

Patman

Possession is 9/10th of the law.

pro-bassoonist

You certainly implied it by noting that VOD is doing the same with movies as Tivo has done with your TV viewing habits. A.k.a you won't watch it in any other way. Regardless, as I thought the provides are going in a precisely different direction. Read this and see how they are attempting to shape up the new downloading scheme (obviously more competition might change that but the model they are after is very telling):

http://bits.blogs.nytimes.com/2008/0...ay-30-a-movie/

Pro-B

cmvolt

An agenda created against all physical formats of media ??? Let me guess..LD and HD-DVD early adopters ??? "YOU STARTED THE TREND....AND DIDN'T HAVE THE BALLS TO SUPPORT IT" and now your crying sour grapes and trying to make predictions on the next mass media darling ??? The ball is now in your court....let's hear your adoption of VOD and the stats of your new media numbers game...I can hardly wait...

Drexl

Yeah, the physical package is part of it. If all people cared about was the content, the studios wouldn't bother producing special packages like steelbooks, tins, and gift sets. Would the Blade Runner briefcase (which sold very well) be the same if it contained a card to redeem a download instead of the discs? And if they were to continue producing packaging anyway, why stop making the discs?

darkside

The problem is that bandwith is not possible with our current infrastructure and few if any providers are spending the money to run fiber to the curb to make it happen. They don't want to increase our bandwith they just want it to cost more so we will use less. Case in point is Time Warner and their plan to start charging for bandwith. Even if they charged something like $1 a GB it would make renting an HD movie impossible. You might as well buy it on Blu-ray.

AndyCleveland

My response to the thread's title question is "hopefully soon"... the less DVD is offered, the more HD formats can grow. Take DVD completely away and the customer is forced to buy into the HD formats or not watch movies. I guess this is a selfish response, but HD should be the present, not the future (the same can, and should, be said about television)

As for the streaming content, I think it's ok. Apple's $4.99 HD rentals is AWESOME, but why the hell can't we stream them via our PC (I have my HTPC hooked up to my LCD and Projector)? I'm not buying an AppleTV, so until the service changes (or apple tv's are $50), I won't be using their service.

On the topic of bandwith- I'm with Time Warner right now... if they pull that "pay-per-usage" crap, i'm going with another provider, with or without HD rentals.

darkside

This is why I am done with Apple as a company. Everything they offer is done to sell hardware and they cripple their own products to force you to keep buying hardware.

They could easily offer HD rentals over PC, but they aren't trying to make money with movie rentals they are trying to sell Apple TVs. They also don't allow you to rent movies and put them on your 5G iPod Video. There is no technical reason for this, but they always cripple older hardware to force you to buy a new iPod every year. Basically the only reason they offer content at all on the iTunes store is to sell hardware and lock you into that hardware with DRM. No way they get another penny from me. Amazon has already destroyed the iTunes music store with their DRM free service and I will simply wait for Sony to start offering HD rentals on the PS3 or stick with Netflix. I'm not buying an Apple TV when the PS3 already does all that and more.

Christi P

There is a huge difference between, say, giving someone the DVD set for 'Lost' season 3, and saying 'Hey, I tivo-ed that for you and you can watch it on the TV until I decide to delete it so I can tivo something else'.

A DVD set of Lost is a good present. Watching it on someone's TV for a limited time until they delete it is not a present.

slop101

Does anyone actually believe that the "present" will ever be something waiting for someone to watch? I hope no one's dumb enough to do that. It'll be a sort of gift-certificate allowing the gift recipient to download something they want. I mean, no one rents a video from Blockbuster for someone else as a gift - you give them certificates for them to rent themselves. Why would it be any different if things move to a VOD system. Or maybe it'll be like the Virtual Console on the Wii is, where you can send a game to another console as a gift.

Either way, the physical media will never be replaced, so I don't see why people are so worried.

HCASH

Okay i am 21 we have aLCD in the lounge room it runs a dvd and i use vhs as the recording format it is a workhorse and most reliable i still have a pile of vhs and will never UPGRADE i dont need to i own em already. I have a large clint eastwood dvd and wrestling dvd collection. VHS stuck around for 20 years that i know of 1983 to 2003 i still buy blank tapes for it. the thing i dont like about modern technology is every 5 to 7 years things become almost obsolete why cant things just hang around for a while. the LCD is a Panasonic with a built in hd tuner and isnt always better than my old crt tv.

With dvd i think it will be around for at least another 10 years so im fairly confident with my dvd collection and who want to pay $45 AUD for a blu ray when you can get it on DVD for $ 5 to $15 AUD

For movies i like my dvd and LCD tv.


Also one fact is very off VINYL RECORDS NEVER DIED the format has never stopped being produced sure my turntable is old enough to be my mother but the sound is better then a blu ray BELIEVE IT. i have recently bought some 2009 pressings BRAND NEW from

LAMB OF GOD MOTORHEAD NIRVANA THE ANSWER i got AC/DC Black Ice On Vinyl. now this format has just reached 60 and is having a revival of some sorts. anyway enough drool my point is dvd is safe for a while yet. I just think its wrong to force people to upgrade to digital if they dont want to i love my old analog tv and will never part till she blows up.

Brian Shannon

Really?

The entire premise of this thread is flawed. The question was without asking whether that meant production or use.

78's are still viable today, god forbid someone actually look up some old sheet music. People still read old books, watch black and white tv shows . . .

Even when they are no longer manufactured they will still be around so long as there are players and discs.

I still have cd's that were bought 20 years ago, should they be gone too?

Anubis2005X

I don't believe it...

Gizmo

Did you hear about Best Buy stocking Vinyl records again? Yeah, its true.

Mods should lock this thread now though...gonna be a bloodbath soon.

The Bus

Yeah, that already exists and/or is being implemented.

"Oh no, streaming sites won't be able to figure out subtitle technology!"

kefrank

That's the first thing that popped into my head when I read that post. Really bad analogy choice, as tons of new releases are being produced and sold on vinyl to this day.

Qui Gon Jim

Agreed. This is one topic I think we can all agree that we cannot agree on.

Gizmo

But Blu-ray is the best. Have you not seen sales numbers for stand alone units from the 8th week of Q1 in Iceland? Its grew 37% over the previous year while DVD in its 3rd year only grew 28% in the male demographic 18-35. Clearly DVD is dead.

Joe Molotov

March 18, 2013 4:37am

Hokeyboy

People who blaspheme against God's law and trivilaize and mock the church are going to end up BURNING IN HELL! The choice is up to you

All I know is during the 60's,70's,80's Christmas was Christmas all over the place.

During the 90's I didn't notice a change, but in the 21st century just these stories of how the stores didn't want to use the word Christmas. And you can't sing certain Christmas songs in schools and how they want to change it to "WINTER BREAK" instead of Christmas. And what makes it look even worse is when likeable people like David Letterman says he doesn't believe this is going on. Or won't even look into it himselft the stories O'Reilly said he had instead he shakes his head and just says he doesn't believe it. I know liberals have a cetain mind set because I have delt with them in my life, but if you want to win a young generation over your not going to do it buy not looking at both sides.

I am not a liberal but am for afrimative action, why because I have seen blacks who are should have been promoted get screwed over and a white person given the job. And this wasn't just at one work place. But it took for me to see it,because I wasn't for afrimative action.