Wow someone is getting worked up for no reason. Qui gon, Warner said the same thing as well about their neutral stance two weeks before going exclusive. You can never trust what these studios especially in this format war.
In fact, a BD insider has already said that the Paramount escape clause has already been triggered so it's only a matter of time when they announce it. Please discuss this in a civil manner without getting testy. Thanks

Nick Saban also said he wasn't going to leave Miami and coach at Alabama last year. Is it really uncommon at all for individuals or companies to deny or be shady about their true intentions at times? Come on.

The writing is on the wall. I didn't see anyone in this thread stating anything as gospel, as your post seems to allude to. Yes, as of this very second, Paramount is still HD-DVD exclusive. What does that really matter, though?

Take a valium, guy. You and so many others have wasted countless energy and typing time on something that, at the end of the day, really isn't all that big of a deal.

Dave Vaughn has just confirmed in a deleted AVS thread that there is truth to what Bill Hunt is saying and his sources are telling him the same thing as well. So guys that are deriding Bill Hunt should have no problem taking this news from Dave Vaughn right?

who cares. hd dvd is dead, blu ray lives because sony gave about HALF a BILLION dollars in Warner Bros to release their movies. its all academic now, thje writing is on the wall, the ship has sailed. etc. The BDA is now fighting a war against DVD, and the clock is ticking on how long Comcast, DirecTV and all the other cable operators can get their share by VOD.

I'm sure paramount and universal are just trying to figure out a way to wring more money out of the BDA for support.

How about the BDA giving me some incentive to pick up a player, like price breaks and an assurance that blu ray 5.7 won't make a 1.1 player obsolete.

I'm sure DigitalBits is having a grand old time releasing news with a big "FUCK YOU" sense of writing. Great, he was proved right because his BDA overlords spent a lot of cash to get Warner

Great job. How about apologizing to all the owners of Blu Ray 1.0 players your shilling sold who can't watch some of the very discs now co,ing out.

Digital Bits lost of loyal readers who won't be coming back to your site, even when and if Blu Ray becomes the next DVD.

Who's Dave Vaughn and Bill Hunt?

Dave Vaughn is a Bill Hunt wannabe. :D2:

How is that anybody's fault other than Sony's? I don't like it either, but don't blame the seller, blame the manufacturer.

I also thought the hardware could be upgraded.

Where is your outrage at Toshiba giving the same amount to Paramount, and being willing to do the same for Fox?

Your answer should be interesting.

If somebody who I thought had credibility said the "choice for consumers" for now is Blu-Ray, and the only players currently on the market at the time of recommendation are players that became "technically impaired" or gasp! obsolete, then yeah I kinda blame the "somebody" for promoting them as a the right choice for consumers.

I don't have outrage at the BDA for doing it. Did my post imply that? If so, that wasn't my intention. Thats business. Sony needed to win and the pulled the deal. Hopefully they will through with incentives for consumers, as now they have beaten "Glass Joe" they need to figure out a way to beat Mike Tyson.

Most of my outrage is reserved at people who said they had the best choices of consumers in mind when they didn't

I caught that Braveheart showing as well. I had to double check to make sure it was the HD HBO. Horrible quality.

Has the HD disc war always been like an elementary schoolyard at recess?

So much emotional investment. I thought once a person leaves Middle School they stop basing their worth as a human on external things like what clothes they wear, car they drive, or the format of hidef discs they prefer.

I've only been reading the threads in HD Talk for the last 3 days, but a lot of the sentiment expressed has been of the "My dad can beat your dad...well, your mother wears army boots" type of bickering.

It all seems silly to me. You knew there was a format WAR going on when you decided to pick a side. It was labeled a "WAR" and not a "TEA PARTY" for a reason.

Seems like quite a few people jumped into this war simply because they wanted the chance to win at something and never gave any consideration to losing.

The sense of entitlement to be on the winning side is quite puzzling.

Check out your own assessment -- it's a "war", not a "tea party".

I have no emotional investment in it. In fact, the whole format war probably saved me money. I returned a $140 upconverting DVD player, bought an A-2 with the Amazon glitchy type of deal with the 8 movies and have watched/sold all of them plus some of the rebate movies...which I calculated to be about $110 or so.

So I saved 30 bucks, have a nice upconverting player and enjoyed some HD media while at it. So there you go. I will buy a Blu Ray player probably later this year, with no harm/no foul.

Personally, I think Paramount is going to go Blu Ray at some point, who cares if they are still technically HD DVD exclusive now, I think technically Japan and Russia haven't ended World War II yet but everyone knows they aren't fighting. Except when some mapmaker screws up and puts down the wrong name every 5 years.

It also didn't help that my Yamaha receiver with only decoding it in Pro-Logic sound and not 5.1 :mad:

I believe they are working on such a deal.

How is a player obsolete if it still plays the movie and 90% of bonus features? Is the player going to explode if you put a 1.1 disc in a 1.0 player?

unfortunately, yes it has. but it's been much, much worse on other forums, particularly AVS.

Here's four words that won't gain me any friends: I like Bill Hunt.

People are really getting riled up over speculation. I for one think that Reuters, Hunt, Vaughn, and others are on to something. The wording of Paramount's response certainly didn't dissuade me from believing that they will be going Blu shortly.

That makes no sense. Do you blame every seller for this kind of thing or just people who sell HD players?

"I gave up comparing genitals back in the schoolyard. "

Just like Konami's response to the delay of MGS4 because they "want to reach as many gamers as possible" but not directly saying there is a 360 version in the works. ;)

Just sellers and reviewers who know that within months, a new profile of media will emerge that is supposed to play on the hardware will make the player (now pick your choice of words) "semi-obsolete, obsolete, technically impaired, not fully compatible, not fully functioning, unable to access certain aspects" etc. etc.

I am not saying that the topic is not worthy of discussion. The Blu brigade that is invading every conversation here, and we all know EXACTLY who the five or six fuckwads are, are just getting on my last nerve.

They are not contributing anything except trying to throw salted alcohol on the wound and watch. Then there is the closeminded "BD is right 1000000000% of the time" poster. Real discussion is off-tracked again and again and again and again.

You have proof they knew, right?

Nobody can tell you for a fact that what they sell will never be repalced by something new. In fact, almost everything in the electronics market is obsolete rather quickly.

Is the computer you are using right now the latest and greatest? Will it eventually be "semi-obsolete, obsolete, technically impaired, not fully compatible, not fully functioning, unable to access certain aspects"? Of course it will.

I also notice you have ignored my question about whether the Blu-Ray players can be upgraded or not.

That whole post is really out of line and should be deleted.

I don't know about that. It is the first time I have heard the phrase "salted alcohol" used in a sentence like that.

Yeah I have proof that all the Blu Ray manafacturers knew that 1.1 was coming...because they were making the 1.1. players!!

And I didn't even know you were asking a question. 1.0 players cannot be upgraded to 1.1. Except for the PS3, I guess, which is a completely different animal than standalone players.

If you take a look at your posts and the posts of the so called "blu brigade", you will notice it's none other than your posts which are offensive and aggressive in nature. If you have an issue with a post, debate it rather than throwing around personal attacks.

Can't we all just get along?

Isn't this bickering going to be embarrassing for some to look back on?

I mean, if there were message boards like this going on during VHS/Beta, wouldn't it be hilarious to see people arguing about what kind of magnetic tape was being used?

Alrighty then. I think this thread has outlived its usefulness.

Qui Gon Jim: Why don't you take a few hours away from HD Talk Forum, for your own good. I was gonna say a few days, but I don't know if that'll be possible.

Everyone: Until we hear something official from Paramount that they are dropping HD DVD support, please continue the discussion in the Warner goes Blu thread:
http://forum.dvdtalk.com/showthread....&goto=lastpost

Thanks.

namja
Moderator, DVD Talk Forums