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How HD-DVD (or Blu-Ray) can get a leg up on the war... Exclusivity...
Video game industry is doing it and it is working (Xbox is still hanging on to a strong lead, with many exclusives in the future), so why couldn't they do it in the Hi-Def DVD movie industry... take for example:
Transformers Toshiba pays Paramount a bit of money so that Paramount releases Transformers on HD-DVD 3 weeks earlier than the regular dvd release, as well as BR version.. |
Exclusivity is the reason why a format war exists in the first place. I don't understand why the studios are exclusive in the first place especially since WB is rolling in the money selling hundreds of thousands of copies of 300 on both formats.
The videogame industry is a good example if it has taught us anything it's that exclusivity doesn't work if these companies want to make money. |
Don't we already have that?
I have an HD DVD player and want Casino Royale, guess what? I'm out of luck. Someone has a Blu Ray Player and wants the Bourne Identity? They're out of luck. We have exclusivity and sucks ass for anyone without enough spare money to buy into both formats. |
Video game developers hate multiple consoles because it increases their development costs and time to make the same thing for multiple systems, which reduces their profits...bad analogy.
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Originally Posted by clemente
Don't we already have that?
I have an HD DVD player and want Casino Royale, guess what? I'm out of luck. Someone has a Blu Ray Player and wants the Bourne Identity? They're out of luck. We have exclusivity and sucks ass for anyone without enough spare money to buy into both formats. |
I think the OP means paying money to companies that are currently not exclusive, right? Basically paying Warner Bros. to get <s>Batman</s> <s>Good Night, Good Luck</s> <s>Adventures of Robin Hood</s> Harry Potter out earlier or paying Paramount to get Transformers out earlier. My guess is you'd probably have to pay a fair amount of money for such exclusivity and either camp would be better off at making hardware cheaper for consumers or sending money to the non-exclusives (Universal, Weinstein, LGF, Disney, Fox) to cross over.
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ok, I dont want to pat myself on the back for my thread, but todays news is sorta what I was talking about (yes, I have ESPn, am a site seer, and hang out in the matrix all day long)...
yes, my theory would be for transformers to come out 3 weeks earlier on HDDVD than BR, but I guess Paramount and Dreamworks took it one step further as far as exclusivity. |
Can't find the General HD DVD thread, so I'll post here. Has anyone been by AVS today? There was supposedly a huge thread discussing a possible rumor that Warners was considering going exclusively with HD DVD. They may be getting a similar deal that Paramount got. Before yesterday, I'd call 100% bullshit. But after Paramount made the switch, this doesn't seem that far fetched.
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Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Can't find the General HD DVD thread, so I'll post here. Has anyone been by AVS today? There was supposedly a huge thread discussing a possible rumor that Warners was considering going exclusively with HD DVD. The rest of that rumor was that Microsoft was prepared to offer something like $225 million in a similar deal with Paramount. Before yesterday, I'd call 100% bullshit. But after Paramount made the switch, this doesn't seem that far fetched.
As for the rumor carrying into AVS, Beatboy started it .... |
I'd call it far fetched just on the fact that beatboy made it up. I feel dirty even discussing this baseless rumor, it's like it gives him more power.
Blu-Ray.com forum members are going crazy thinking it's true. :lol: |
Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Can't find the General HD DVD thread, so I'll post here. Has anyone been by AVS today? There was supposedly a huge thread discussing a possible rumor that Warners was considering going exclusively with HD DVD. They may be getting a similar deal that Paramount got. Before yesterday, I'd call 100% bullshit. But after Paramount made the switch, this doesn't seem that far fetched.
1% chance. They seem to have been banking on more people supporting both and using their TotalHD discs. That ain't happening now. Warner honestly could decide this war tomorrow if they went exclusive to one or the other. Warner is the real studio of power with the biggest back catalog of movies. If HD DVD somehow pulled a deal like this off I don't see Blu-ray recovering. Again, not going to happen. Warner feels they can be the top HD studio by supporting both. |
Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Can't find the General HD DVD thread, so I'll post here. Has anyone been by AVS today? There was supposedly a huge thread discussing a possible rumor that Warners was considering going exclusively with HD DVD. They may be getting a similar deal that Paramount got. Before yesterday, I'd call 100% bullshit. But after Paramount made the switch, this doesn't seem that far fetched.
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Originally Posted by darkside
1% chance. They seem to have been banking on more people supporting both and using their TotalHD discs. That ain't happening now.
Warner honestly could decide this war tomorrow if they went exclusive to one or the other. Warner is the real studio of power with the biggest back catalog of movies. If HD DVD somehow pulled a deal like this off I don't see Blu-ray recovering. Again, not going to happen. Warner feels they can be the top HD studio by supporting both. |
Originally Posted by tonymontana313
Cannot agree with you any more. Warner has no incentive to go exclusive for either format since they are making the most bank out of all the studios.
Warner may sell more BD copies than HD DVD copies of its movies, but the BD copies also cost more to develop and manufacture, largely negating that advantage at the current volume of units being sold. In fact, Paramount may well have found that, despite higher sales numbers, they were losing more money on BD than on HD DVD. It would have to take an amount north of 300 mil to make them exclusive imho. |
Well, I was speaking to a colleague of mine today and he mentioned that he spoke to people at Warner that hinted strongly at a move to be exclusively Blu-ray. I'm still skeptical, since Warner seems to have more invested in HD DVD, and I don't put much credence to rumors until they turn out to be facts. But that was what I heard, and I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion purposes. At this point, though, I'd say it's still pure speculation.
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Warner exclusively Blu-Ray? *faints
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Robert (Value Electronics) has said he will have gen-3 HD DVD players up for pre-order on Friday. Also, he said there will be some MAJOR announcements at CEDIA. Hmmm
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Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Well, I was speaking to a colleague of mine today and he mentioned that he spoke to people at Warner that hinted strongly at a move to be exclusively Blu-ray. I'm still skeptical, since Warner seems to have more invested in HD DVD, and I don't put much credence to rumors until they turn out to be facts. But that was what I heard, and I thought I'd throw it out there for discussion purposes. At this point, though, I'd say it's still pure speculation.
Tough call with Warner. They do hold patents in both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD. However, with there being no more talk about the dual disc format from them it leads me to believe they may choose a side. Which side is the multi million dollar question. Would Paramounts/Dreamworks decision sway them to HD-DVD? Maybe. Would HP, I believe, supporting HD-DVD exclusively now? Maybe. A huge retailer like Wal-Mart? Maybe. Too many variables at this point. |
Originally Posted by Josh Z
Warner has sold the most discs, yes, but no studio is "making bank" yet. Neither format has turned a profit.
Warner may sell more BD copies than HD DVD copies of its movies, but the BD copies also cost more to develop and manufacture, largely negating that advantage at the current volume of units being sold. In fact, Paramount may well have found that, despite higher sales numbers, they were losing more money on BD than on HD DVD. Yeah, well I say it would take $800 gabillion. It's fun to make things up, isn't it? :rolleyes: |
Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
Robert (Value Electronics) has said he will have gen-3 HD DVD players up for pre-order on Friday. Also, he said there will be some MAJOR announcements at CEDIA. Hmmm
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Originally Posted by Josh Z
Warner has sold the most discs, yes, but no studio is "making bank" yet. Neither format has turned a profit.
Warner may sell more BD copies than HD DVD copies of its movies, but the BD copies also cost more to develop and manufacture, largely negating that advantage at the current volume of units being sold. In fact, Paramount may well have found that, despite higher sales numbers, they were losing more money on BD than on HD DVD. Yeah, well I say it would take $800 gabillion. It's fun to make things up, isn't it? :rolleyes: Somebody asked Paidgeek, who is a bluray insider, on bluray.com what would it take Warner to go exclusive and he said "I think the upper levels of Sony are paying attention to this." |
If Warner make a decision before Christmas, it would help me make a choice.
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I did find this throwaway comment elsewhere to be interesting though. Probably BS though.
Sony's calls to Warner executives are going unanswered due to "meetings" |
And then there is this, which if true will pretty much negate the PS3 installed base of Blu-Ray players. Obviously this site is making fun of it, but if there really is another sku...
http://www.xbox360fanboy.com/2007/08...-ultimate-sku/ |
And then this
One thing people have to bear in mind, this goes beyond the HD-DVD/Blu-Ray format war. Warner in the last month has made a huge splash on XBox Live. 16 of the last 22 films released on Microsoft's movie/tv service are Warner releases. Over half of the last 50 movie release are from Warner's and New Line. At ComicCon Microsoft provided exclusive video content of TV show and Movie pressers. They had fully downloadable video of the panels for Blade Runner, Smallville, 300, and a number of Warner Home Video releases... no other studio was given such treatment... even Paramount who held a MAJOR event with J.J. Abrams for Star Trek. Warner just signed a deal with Microsoft and now owns all of the music of Microsoft game releases, including Halo 3 which Warner will be releasing a soundtrack for. Warner has some VERY close ties to Microsoft right now. |
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