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Originally Posted by namja
By your definition of bullshit, we tolerate a shitload of bullshit HD DVD articles (many of them posted by you). So I say you leave these bullshit BD articles alone.
And I welcome ANYONE to dispute or discuss an article that I post here for any reason they feel fit. That's why it's called a FORUM. |
Originally Posted by dtcarson
* Are there any meaningful "pro-HD" facts or counterarguments that he omitted, purposefully or not?
Suddenly, millions of consumers will have HD DVD discs in their hands. The ones who own HDTVs are going to jones for the ability to watch the HD side of the discs, and with HD DVD players also reasonably priced we'll see hardware sales shoot upwards. At some pont after that, hardware manufacturers can phase out their standard DVD players in favor of HD DVD units that are already backwards compatible with existing DVD discs, and eventually even the need to continue supporting the DVD side of combo discs will fade away. It will take years, no doubt, but in this scenario HD DVD could very well take over as the de facto video standard. |
Originally Posted by namja
Just about every HD DVD thread (opinion posts) that you start.
You have it. At least be a man and admit it. Everyone has a "bias" when it comes to certain issues. I can respect that if it's presented in a respectable and reasonable manner. I don't believe I've ever displayed a bias that was unreasonable. I can pick on HD DVD just as easily as I can BD. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
And I dare you to post ONE...because I've read nor posted ANY that display the pompous bullshit that I've read from the other side.
And I welcome ANYONE to dispute or discuss an article that I post here for any reason they feel fit. That's why it's called a FORUM. This thread (original article) is no different than just about every thread that you start where you quote an opinion that is pro HD DVD. To you, any piece that shows HD DVD in good light looks like a factual article while any piece that is pro BD looks like bullshit. Why is that? This "news" and most of the "news" that you posted are no different, except to a handful of HD DVD guys who take personal offense at any news that puts HD DVD in a bad light. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
You have it. At least be a man and admit it.
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Originally Posted by namja
To you, any piece that shows HD DVD in good light looks like a factual article while any piece that is pro BD looks like bullshit. Why is that?
If that's your interpretation, then state that. But that's not what I'm posting. I never say something is fact unless it IS fact. Otherwise, it's all editorial and i put it out there to spark discussion. When you get down to it, there have been VERY FEW concrete facts about this war put out there from either side. There's MUCH more going on behind the scenes than we will ever be aware of. And that I think i can state as FACT. |
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
If that's your interpretation, then state that. But that's not what I'm posting.
I feel like the Dixie Chicks. Too often, I feel ashamed to be a supporter of HD DVD because of the behaviors of so many of the HD DVD supporters (which is generally on par with the behavior of Sony). The main reason you don't see me going all gung ho about HD DVD is because I don't want to be clumped with that group. |
You feel like you won a Grammy for album of the year? ;)
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Originally Posted by namja
You post a myriad of pro HD DVD opinion pieces with very little criticism. You pounce on just about every pro BD opinion pieces. How else should we interprete your posts?
I feel like the Dixie Chicks. Too often, I feel ashamed to be a supporter of HD DVD because of the behaviors of so many of the HD DVD supporters (which is generally on par with the behavior of Sony). The main reason you don't see me going all gung ho about HD DVD is because I don't want to be clumped with that group. And don't compare me to a Bush supporter...EVER. |
Originally Posted by Suprmallet
You feel like you won a Grammy for album of the year? ;)
As far as Namja's comment, I felt the same way about Blu-ray. I liked the direction it was finally going, but the supporters were so damn irritating that I really didn't want to be associated with them by supporting the format. Thankfully those guys are gone from the forum. BTW, Josh really nailed a good point on combos. These things would be brilliant ideas if they were the standard release format for all HD DVDs and if they could be priced at $19.99 on Amazon and at Target and Wal-mart. I've lent out a few movies recently because I have the combo and people will ask about the HD DVD version and why its better. It would be the perfect way to transition people into HD DVD if they could get the price down. |
Originally Posted by namja
digi,
Basically you, DVD Josh and some of the others are wanting to discount the original article because you disagree with it. Your bias is just as clear as the article's bias. If you think I have pro-BD bias based on my posts, then clearly you can't read. You conveniently left out the last sentence of my last post when you quoted me. That should indicate what my bias really is, although you may never know from my posts. The above is inconsistent with my actual position. Take a look at my sig - I support BOTH formats. I have stated NUMEROUS times that I support all next gen formats. Not only that, I've also stated that I've been more impressed with BD lately and my recent purchases have been all BDs. What I do not support are BD supporters like Bill at TDB who make arguments based on conjecture and unverifiable and unsupportable data. This has been the matra of the BD camp for quite some time. To call one format the "winner" of a war that hasn't even really started is premature and ridiculous. This is not to say that Bill did in his article, but this is the general battlecry of the more ardent BD supporters. Please Namja, with all respect, if you are going to categorize me, I would appreciate if you would take the totality of my comments, and my comments at face value, instead of inferring from them something totally inaccurate. Since you ask us to do so above, it would only make sense that you do the same. I'm not a HDD fanboy. I'm not a BD hater. I think both formats are incredible and support the continued development of HD and quality HD releases for BOTH formats. |
Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Since you called me out by name, I will address this.
The above is inconsistent with my actual position. Take a look at my sig - I support BOTH formats. I have stated NUMEROUS times that I support all next gen formats. Not only that, I've also stated that I've been more impressed with BD lately and my recent purchases have been all BDs. |
Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Please Namja, with all respect, if you are going to categorize me, I would appreciate if you would take the totality of my comments, and my comments at face value, instead of inferring from them something totally inaccurate. Since you ask us to do so above, it would only make sense that you do the same.
Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
it's ironic that the people he accuses of being illogically biased support both formats, dontcha think?
<small>Anyhoo, anytime I have to step in to protect the BD threads from these attacks, I feel a little dirty (no offense BD fans, but doing anything pro-Sony makes me feel that way).</small> |
Originally Posted by namja
Okay. Fair enough. I didn't mean to categorize you, but it sure came out that way. I only meant the discounting of the original article of this thread and nothing more (please read that sentence literally without any other implications). I honestly didn't mean to categorize when I inserted your name in there.
Man, consider yourself lucky. I've waited for an apology from Namja for months.
Originally Posted by namja
digi, owning both formats does not equate supporting both formats. Even as you say in this thread, "I don't care which way it goes but I still hope it's not BD." You might own both formats, but you generally support HD DVD (loud and clear) while you generally attack BD.
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DarK: "I think you will find that on a site like this 99% of us are perfectly willing to support both formats."
Given the level of hostility in many posts, I find that to be unlikely though a noble goal. "We all know that mainstream success if what will win the war, however, at this point I think mainstream success for either one is on very shaky ground. When two video game consoles are pushing the hardware sales it really doesn't bode well for a balanced library of movies. Hopefully the standalone prices for both formats drops a lot by the end of the year. We need the average consumers to buy in to one soon. The longer this goes the greater the odds of HD video staying a niche item." I agree and the average consumer probably has several factors causing them to hold off: 1) Pricing of the hardware and software. 2) The studio release of barebone editions of high def discs (the advent of the multiple dip version scam was one of my big reasons for cutting back tremendously on buying). 3) Uncertainty of the format war, propped up by conflicting reports by the format zealots like we see here, on AVS, The Digital Bits, and other internet forums 4) A true lack of marketing strategy by both factions |
I thought that The Dixie Chicks were pro Bush, and then said they were disgraced that he was from the state of Texas?
How's that pro Bush? I've got both formats; I stand where Namja stands... I just dont want Sony to get ahead. I'm more comfortable with making Bill Gates richer ;) ALSO!... Someone said that if Universal wanted to make HD-DVD work, why not release 'a flood of titles', I dont exactly see 'Spider-man 1/2' coming out on Blu-Ray anytime soon. even after the announce of Spidey 2 extended The Dual DVD combo rocks in my opinion... If a movie is released in this standard they shouldnt release the regular version of the film on DVD. It would drive sales and promote and new format that would be overlooked otherwise by the average public. If you press the ammount of disc you would with a standard dvd then cost would be very small in comparison. I've been jumped by a couple members of this forum for my stance on HD > BR, and as soon as i let them know i'm with both i'm left alone. I feel like its Bloods vs. Crips... I havent felt this much turmoil since the first time I watched 'The Warriors'. Makes me wish there was 'Baseball Furies' format. :P I just have had better responce with HD films... if only the stinkin' cases would be made of glass. The last three cases I've purchased online have been cracked! grrr... lol |
Why-oh-why does the Bits hate HDDVD so much? :lol:
Realllly long article here for your reading pleasure: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...oap060107.html In a nutshell We simply CANNOT and WILL NOT recommend to our readers that they adopt a format that only has the full support of just a HANDFUL of major hardware manufacturers and ONLY A HANDFUL of the Hollywood studios - no matter how cheap the price - when a format of EQUAL quality and FAR GREATER studio and manufacturer support exists. |
Originally Posted by Chew
Why-oh-why does the Bits hate HDDVD so much? :lol:
Realllly long article here for your reading pleasure: http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...oap060107.html In a nutshell As for studio support, that's great and all, but what about TITLES? TBD is a BD shill and anyone who takes their arguments seriously needs to have their head examined. There is simply no reason to support a single format right now on the basis of anything other than personal preference, or be like me, and support both. |
Originally Posted by DVD Josh
Total morons. Let's count the "FAR GREATER" manufacturer support. There's Sony and then there's Panasonic. And we're done. So many to count, I can't keep up -rolleyes-.
As for studio support, that's great and all, but what about TITLES? TBD is a BD shill and anyone who takes their arguments seriously needs to have their head examined. There is simply no reason to support a single format right now on the basis of anything other than personal preference, or be like me, and support both. |
Does Bill Hunt get paid by the word to support Blu-ray?
All I know is that if you do not support HD DVD, right now you are missing out on all of these titles in HD: Universal Exclusives Children Of Men King Kong (2005) Miami Vice Apollo 13 Assault On Precinct 13 (2005) Cinderella Man Serenity Lost In Translation The Bourne Supremacy The River Dragonheart The Nutty Professor Midnight Run The Frighteners Smokey and the Bandit The 40 Year-Old Virgin The Skeleton Key The Hitcher (2007) Eternal Sunshine Of the Spotless Mind The Nutty Professor (1996) The Game The Jerk Smokin’ Aces The Good Shepherd Meet the Parents Jet Li’s Fearless Alpha Dog Accepted The Mummy The Mummy Returns The Scorpion King Hollywoodland Half Baked Brokeback Mountain The Sting The Deer Hunter The Breakfast Club Casino Fast Times At Ridgemont High Field Of Dreams Hulk Dune (1984) Dr. Seuss’ How the Grinch Stole Christmas An American Werewolf In London You, Me and Dupree Waterworld Spartacus Out Of Sight 12 Monkeys The Interpreter Slither The Thing The Break-Up Waist Deep Army Of Darkness The Fast and the Furious 2 Fast 2 Furious The Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift Land Of the Dead Fear and Loathing In Las Vegas End Of Days Dazed and Confused Backdraft Traffic Seabiscuit Red Dragon The Bone Collector Spy Game Unleashed Ray National Lampoon’s Animal House Pitch Black The Chronicles Of Riddick Friday Night Lights The Rundown Happy Gilmore U-571 Van Helsing Jarhead Doom Warner Exclusives The Matrix Ultimate Collection The Matrix Trilogy Batman Begins Terminator 3: Rise Of the Machines Poseidon Smallville: Complete Fifth Season Forbidden Planet Forbidden Planet: Ultimate Collector’s Set Casablanca V For Vendetta Charlie and the Chocolate Factory Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory Grand Prix Troy Caddyshack The Perfect Storm Constantine Mutiny On the Bounty The Dukes Of Hazzard The Polar Express Excalibur Adventures Of Robin Hood Weinstein / Genius Exclusives Feast School For Scoundrels Lucky # Slevin Clerks 2 The Matador Pulse Derailed Wolf Creek Scary Movie 4 Imported Exclusives Brotherhood of the Wolf (French release) Elephant Man, The (French and UK releases) Enemy at the Gates (French release) Equilibrium (Japanese release) Fog, The (1980) (French, German and UK releases) Fragile: A Ghost Story (Japanese release) Gift, The (2000) (Japanese release) Graduate, The (1967) (French release) Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire (UK release) Island, The (2005) (UK release) Jersey Girl (Japanese release) Killing Me Softly (2002) (Japanese release) King Kong (1976) (French, German and UK releases) Leaving Las Vegas (French release) Machinist, The (Japanese release) Mulholland Drive (French release) Oliver Twist (2005) (Japanese and Spanish release) Pianist, The (2002) (UK and Spanish release) Running Scared (German Release) Serpico (French release) (*non-removable subtitles) Three days of the Condor (Les 3 jours du condor) (French release) xXx (Japanese release) Upcoming Exclusives June 12, 2007 Black Christmas (2006) Born On the 4th Of July Breach Bruce Almighty Daylight Harsh Times Liar, Liar Monty Python’s The Meaning Of Life Sneakers June 26, 2007 American Me Being John Malkovich The Big Lebowski Bulletproof Dead Silence (2007) Freedom: Volume 1 Mallrats Meet Joe Black Mystery Men The Watcher Arthur and the Invisibles (Spanish release) Natural Born Killers (French release) July 4, 2007 Pan's Labyrinth (French release) July 10, 2007 Billy Madison Dante’s Peak The War The Wedding Date July 24, 2007 The Bourne Identity The Contract Hot Fuzz In Good Company The Nutty Professor 2: The Klumps Scent Of a Woman Streets Of Fire July 31, 2007 Darkman Sea Of Love Shaun Of the Dead Band of Brothers-Volume 1 (Japanese release) Band of Brothers-Volume 2 (Japanese release) Band of Brothers-Volume 3 (Japanese release) Band of Brothers-Volume 4 (Japanese release) Band of Brothers-Volume 5 (Japanese release) August 14, 2007 Erin Brockovich Meet the Fockers Mercury Rising What Dreams May Come August 28, 2007 Dawn Of the Dead Heroes: Season 1 The Hurricane Notting Hill September 18, 2007 Elizabeth |
Originally Posted by gimmepilotwings
I'll support both when I can find a 60GB PS3 for less than $400. I have found a few, I just have to jump on them when I get the chance.
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Originally Posted by DVD Josh
The HD was easy to change in my PS3. I have a 120GB PS3 for the same price as a 60 gig model.
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Originally Posted by gimmepilotwings
Built in Wifi, needed? Those are the only differences in the two models, correct?
1) Bigger HD 2) Wifi 3) Memory card reader (but the 20 gig will still read USB memory of course) Couldn't find a 60 when I wanted one, but found plenty of 20s. I figured I'd just mod since I prefer a hard wire connection whenever possible. |
Originally Posted by Chew
Realllly long article here for your reading pleasure:
http://www.thedigitalbits.com/articl...oap060107.html I'm all for long-winded articles by people who find themselves to be more important and influential than they actually are (:wave: ), and I can understand getting concerned about an investment in a player, but why do people have to get so crazy about the format war? Today, you can buy both players for the same price as a stand-alone Blu-Ray would cost if there had been no war. Meanwhile, competition has forced both sides to step-up their quality and to offer various discounts on software. Neither seems like a reason for one "side" to so passionately oppose another... Just enjoy watching movies! :) |
Did anyone read the origianl article yesterday? The only reason he may have come off as anti-HD-DVD is because the article wa a response to Harry Knowles at Ain't It Cool News. He wrote an article saying how much better HD-DVD was & used facts that were completely wrong- saying HD had over 200 releases & BD only 60, that only HD players could play dvds & upconvert & many other completely wrong information that he was stating as fact. Digital Bits was respnding to that article by giving actual data.
I had the 360 add-on first & got the A2 now, so I've already had 2 HD-DVD players & obviously like them, but I still only buy Universal on HD & everything else on BD. And as great as Universal's back catalog is, their new movies aren't that great. And while their catalog might be great, it's not exactly great HD demo material- yeah let me throw in Smokey & The Bandit to show you some great HD. Most of them look marginally better than the dvds. And people who say that HD has the best picture, take a look at the Pirates BD reviews. Every site says they're the best HD pictures anywhere on any format. And no matter how mad you BD haters may be, what do you think will happen when Spiderman, Star Wars, James Bond, etc. come out exclusively on BD. And with Spielberg's track record, his movies won't be out until the war is over, so will be of no use to help HD. And add no Disney to HD. How many families do you think will pick HD? be mad at the 2 groups for starting this whole situation, but don't be mad that the one you picked isn't looking so great. And the idiot who said combos may help HD win, I just got my email from Universal to send back the 2 defective combos I have (Good Shepherd & children Of Men) & they've been cancelling many of their combos because of this problem. Not to mention they're $10 more. So yeah, they're great. |
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