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Supermallet 09-30-06 09:48 PM

So, End of Days, what a mixed bag.

The picture shifts from being ultra detailed and WOW to super soft and "why does this look so bad?" Some of the shots look just awful, but on others, I can see every bit of stubble on Arnold's face.

The DolbyTrueHD is AWESOME. This kind of film is what TrueHD was made for. Tons of explosions that just envelope you. There's a scene with a helicopter where you can practically feel the rotors whirring.

But even this isn't perfect, because for some reason, the TrueHD tends to make the disc skip. You can fix it by switching to DD+ and back again, but over time it will skip again. It's not just my disc that does it, either. Some people said they also got it on Fear & Loathing, but it's not as widely reported as it is for End of Days. I don't know if it's something a firmware update could fix, or if it's an authoring error that Universal will have to correct with replacement discs.

Overall, I'd say rent it for the sound, but wait to find out what's going on with the audio before buying.

Josh Z 09-30-06 11:02 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
So, End of Days, what a mixed bag.

The picture shifts from being ultra detailed and WOW to super soft and "why does this look so bad?" Some of the shots look just awful, but on others, I can see every bit of stubble on Arnold's face.

I haven't watched the disc yet, but that sounds pretty much par for the course with Peter Hyams' cinematography.

Supermallet 09-30-06 11:12 PM

Well, I have no great love for Peter Hyams' (out of his whole filmography, End of Days is the only one I enjoy), and I wouldn't put it past him to not know what a good shot looks like.

Eric D. 09-30-06 11:27 PM


Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
I was watching Tokyo Drift and at the 55 minute mark, the image froze, yet the running time kept going. I was trying to change chapters, etc. but nothing worked. It eventually locked up any controls on my player. So I had to unplug the unit and plug back in. Finally got back to the same spot and everything was okay, but that kind of freezing put a bit of a scare on me. I've not encountered any problems up until this point and I've had my unit since the launch in February, with 2.0 firmware. Aside from those problems, the disc is an easy recommendation for audio/video. I haven't tried out the U-control features.

I had the same problem with my copy of Tokyo Drift. It locked up at the 59 minute mark during the date scene. It happened 3 times in the exact same spot and I had to physically unplug my system each time to get my player to work again. So I decided to return my disc and get a new one. I just finished watching the new one from the beginning of the film and it played fine, no locking up this time. My only guess is that some bad copies were made. If yours continues to lock up in the exact same spot, you may want to think about exchanging it. It worked for me.

Giles 10-01-06 11:26 AM

In Adam's review of Land of the Dead he states there is video flaw: "posterization"

what exactly does he mean by that?

Mr. Cinema 10-01-06 12:57 PM


Originally Posted by Eric D.
I had the same problem with my copy of Tokyo Drift. It locked up at the 59 minute mark during the date scene. It happened 3 times in the exact same spot and I had to physically unplug my system each time to get my player to work again. So I decided to return my disc and get a new one. I just finished watching the new one from the beginning of the film and it played fine, no locking up this time. My only guess is that some bad copies were made. If yours continues to lock up in the exact same spot, you may want to think about exchanging it. It worked for me.

When I replayed the scene, it was okay. I'll test it again soon just to be safe.

Supermallet 10-01-06 01:31 PM


Originally Posted by Giles
In Adam's review of Land of the Dead he states there is video flaw: "posterization"

what exactly does he mean by that?

From wikipedia:

Posterization occurs when a region of an image with a continuous gradation of tone is replaced with several regions of fewer tones, resulting in an abrupt change from one tone to another. Unwanted posterization may occur when the sampling range is just not large enough to accuratly sample a continuous gradation of color tone. The sampled tone becomes a ramped function instead. The result is the posterization effect.

Adam Tyner 10-01-06 01:33 PM

There's a good descriptive image on Wikipedia too.

Supermallet 10-01-06 03:54 PM

Batman Begins:

This movie was the reason I bought an HD DVD player, and Warner does not disappoint. Yes, there are definite "WOW" sequences (the ice on the mountains, the cityscapes of Gotham), but what I'm really appreciating right now is the color reproduction and the fine details. The way light plays off of people's faces and makes small gradients of darkness. There's so much detail packed into this disc, it looks absolutely amazing.

And the TrueHD is up there with the best of them. Small details combined with large action sequences make for a true workout for your speakers. Check out the scene where Batman takes down Falcone at the docks. You can hear people's voices echo, bullets ricochet, and Batman's cape draping itself along the storage units. Absolutely awesome.

Haven't checked out the IME yet, but the PQ/AQ delivers!

Supermallet 10-01-06 06:20 PM

Update:

The IME is good, but there are too many gaps between comments. You think they could at least fill the empty space with something like storyboards.

As for the rest of the movie, I'd say this is the top HD DVD at the moment. Not one flaw on the entire disc, the whole thing was incredibly impressive. Every scene looked and sounded amazing.

I can't count the amount of times I've seen Batman Begins, but watching it on HD DVD made it feel entirely fresh again. I found myself reacting to the movie the way I did when I first saw it in the theater. It really is the best superhero film to date, and this is the way to see it.

Eric D. 10-01-06 06:26 PM

Awesome! Thanks for the review Suprmallet. I was afraid this may be like T3 and be a little disappointing, but I'm glad that it's stellar. BB was one of the main reasons why I got HD DVD.

brkhrt7 10-01-06 07:07 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet
Batman Begins:

Batman's crap draping itself along the storage units. Absolutely awesome.

ewwwww

DthRdrX 10-01-06 07:17 PM


Originally Posted by brkhrt7
ewwwww

I Digress,

Suprmallet, did you get Batman Begins or Batman & Robin? ;)

Supermallet 10-01-06 07:29 PM


Originally Posted by brkhrt7
ewwwww

Whoops! Corrected the mistake. :o

DamingR 10-05-06 09:31 AM

IMHO, Grand Prix and Robin Hood are two of the best HD-DVD show off discs. Amazon finally got my order to me yesterday and wow, was I impressed.

Not only is the pic quality on Robin Hood unbelieveable, the supplements are outstanding as well. After watching the movie, I looked at the supplements and couldn't believe how much they fit on the disc. Holy cow!

The picture is equally outstanding on Grand Prix. Anyone who hasn't picked this one up yet is really missing out. It's hard to believe that these movies can look so good at their age. It really makes you realize how poorly some of the newer movies have aged.

Supermallet 10-05-06 12:03 PM

I just wish they had been able to make some of the archive movies HD as well. At least the Looney Tunes (the REAL bread and butter of the disc ;) ) looked great in HD.

digitalfreaknyc 10-05-06 09:20 PM

Any word on what Charlie looks like?

Kocheese99 10-05-06 09:23 PM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Any word on what Charlie looks like?

What sucks is that i will be getting Charlie tomorrow but i don't have HD DVD yet. :(

I also want to know if anyone has seen any reviews for Willy Wonka as well.

Or if anyone lives near Kenosha, WI and wants to watch some HD DVD's i'll bring Charlie, Batman, and Corpse Bride :)

The Bus 10-06-06 08:29 AM

Does the Ray HD DVD have all the extras of the 2-disc limited edition?

digitalfreaknyc 10-06-06 10:43 AM


Originally Posted by The Bus
Does the Ray HD DVD have all the extras of the 2-disc limited edition?

Check the sticky. I believe it does.

Big Worms 10-06-06 10:59 AM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Any word on what Charlie looks like?

http://hddvd.highdefdigest.com/charl...tefactory.html


'Charlie and the Chocolate Factory' never looked that great on standard DVD. It was quite soft, fuzzy and spotty, so this HD DVD didn't have to do much to exceed it. Thankfully, this 1.85:1 widescreen, 1080p/VC-1 transfer doesn't even break a sweat trying, with a very attractive presentation that, though not perfect, is sure to tickle the fancy of Wonka fans everywhere.

Though the quality of the source material is the same -- indeed, I would be surprised if both the DVD and the HD DVD were not minted from the same master -- the upgrade to high-def is still noticeable. Most impressive is that colors are less noisy and plugged up. The film's many reds, purples and browns looked muddy and undefined on the standard-def release, but here hues are both more vibrant yet smoother. Though I still think they could have been toned down a tad to keep the transfer sharper a bit more natural in appearance, the improvement is most appreciated.

Though black levels and contrast are about on par with the previous DVD, detail is superior. There is far more depth to most scenes, especially the heavy CGI exteriors, which in standard def looked quite flat. The film's many expansive sets benefit from a far better apparent depth to the image, which helps to deliver the kind of three-dimensional image expected for such a recent film. However, I still was disappointed with the relatively weak shadow delineation. The fall-off to black is quite steep, and not helping matters are the ever-so-slightly oversaturated colors. Fleshtones also look fake and pasty -- most of the actors look like they are made of plastic, not flesh. I know the film's visual sensibilities are obviously skewed towards the artificial, but I still found it somewhat distracting. Otherwise, compression artifacts and posterization are not really a problem, though there is some noticeable (if not excessive) film grain throughout, which causes some solid areas of color to look rather jumpy.


Josh Z 10-06-06 12:19 PM


Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
Any word on what Charlie looks like?

The disc is on my slate, but hasn't been shipped to me yet. I don't expect to receive it until late next week.

MrChaos 10-07-06 09:47 PM

I was able to grab BB and PE like so many others early today from Target. Here's my take on BB:

Video - Batman Begins arrives courtesy of Warner Brothers in a 1080p 2:40:1 VC-1 encoded video, <Batman Begins has a lot of it’s shoulders. This title, as it has been demoed, is suppose to be the must title for HD-DVD boasting interactive features and amazing video and audio. Luckily for us all, this film has never, ever looked this good.

The first obvious example here is the usage of colors. The film’s most dominant color, naturally, is black. Mr. Wayne’s suit looks flawless with such intense detail (take a look at the scene where he is painting his suit. Simply amazing). The film’s other colors, like the earlier yellows and blues, the fire sequence’s reds and oranges, look equally as good breathing new life into this transfer. Speaking of the film’s transfer, the film’s very recent life really shows here. The sharpness of the print is truly great with many sequences of extreme detail (One of my favorite scenes in the film has always been where Scarecrow, well, scares his victims showing them their true fears. Do as I did here. Pause the film and walk up to your screen and look at the intense detail in the look of the picture. Trust me, you don’t be disappointed.

With such a dark looking film, I wondered if the used VC1 encoding would allow the film to look this good. Despite a few sequences of minor grain, everything looks fine. No real evidence of pixilation, distortion in the print. I simply must congratulate Warner Brothers here. Not only have they brought this film up to the level we expect out of HD-DVD, but have delivered a film that regardless of what format you spend your money on, must be seen to be believed. Truly great stuff here and certainly one of the best HD discs out there.

Audio - Wow. I don’t even know where on earth I should begin here. Well, I suppose I should tell you what is included here. Presented using the standard Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 in English, Francais or Espanol, <i>Batman Begins</i> also includes one of the best, if not the best, uses of the Dolby TrueHD audio track I’ve ever heard. Due to my high impressions of this, I’m going to speak about three particular scenes (chapter 7, chapter 17, and chapter 28).

Chapter 7 is the film’s real more popular demo sequence (at least the demo scene Toshiba and Warner Brothers have been using). The sequence features Henri and Wayne battling on the ice. I was immediately brought to ears with this scene as these two men fought. As their swords clashed and clanged, I decided to view the sequence first in Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 and then with the Dolby TrueHD track. The provided Plus 5.1 was a lot quieter and more subdued resulting in one having to turn up the volume a bit to hear everything. The same sequence with TrueHD was a totally different experience. Everything, from the film’s surrounds to the bass, sounded completely different and much louder (not louder in a poor way but louder in a ‘WOW’ way).

The next scene at hand is where Lucius Fox is showing Bruce the new and improved ‘Tumbler’. While the scene is a lot shorter than say the first and the last scenes, I was still quite impressed here. As this machine revved and blasted away, my ears, it felt, went with the vehicle. Even when Lucius and Bruce are speaking the vehicle’s loud engine, and the accompanying TrueHD track, really showcase the power of the film’s audio.

Now this is my new demo sequence. From the first uttering of ‘I brought mine’, my brother immediately ran downstairs to view this sequence. Just to show him the power of TrueHD, I first played a bit of the scene with the Plus 5.1 track, which resulted in him commenting that this doesn’t sound all that good. I simply smiled and went back turning on the TrueHD track. There is just so much to comment on here, especially the well placed use of the sequence’s surrounds. Little subtle things like the officer’s speaking to each other, are not compromised here and are well balanced with the rather robust and well-defined audio. As The ‘Tumbler’ crashes and races throughout Gotham City, your complete audio system really keeps up with no evidence of muddled audio or lackluster performance. I particularly enjoyed the first of two sequences where ‘The Tumbler’ jumped over the rooftops. As the rockets flew, I wondered if the rocking (sorry) sound my sub was creating was outside (as did my family). Whoops, guess it was a bit too loud.

Warner has delivered on all fronts here with an incredibly impressive audio track here. Out of the two options here, I don’t really need to tell you what I enjoyed the most. What a breathtaking experience Warner.

Supermallet 10-07-06 09:51 PM


Originally Posted by Josh Z
The disc is on my slate, but hasn't been shipped to me yet. I don't expect to receive it until late next week.

Amazon already shipped it to me, so I should have it on Monday. I'll post some thoughts.

darkside 10-08-06 09:18 PM

I am so behind on movies, because Amazon is taking forever to ship them to me. I finally got to watch Seabiscuit and it was jaw dropping. I had just watched Troy before it and was pretty impressed, but after seeing Seabiscuit I have to consider Troy just an above average release.

Dirty Dozen looked pretty decent, but those weird quality drops rights before scenes end are damn annoying. They really stand out like sore thumbs on HD DVD.

I still need to watch Robin Hood, but the cartoons looked nice and I checked out the beginning of the film and it looks to be in good shape and very detailed. I'm still a bit skeptical that old films from the 30's will be a big improvement in HD. Dracula and Frankenstein for instance have so much wear and tear on the film that I'm just not convinced the quality jump will be the great. However, Robin Hood really looks fantastic so I'm really looking forward to more 30s films in HD to prove me wrong.

Anyway, I think Seabiscuit is my new reference disc at least until Batman comes out on Tuesday.

Supermallet 10-08-06 11:59 PM

As long as a proper restoration is done, movies from the 30's should look just as good as more current films.

Supermallet 10-10-06 01:02 AM

Just finished watching Charlie & The Chocolate Factory:

Wow. This film looks amazing. Bright colors and detail galore. The DD+ soundtrack was excellent, especially during the nut sorting scene. The DolbyTrueHD music-only track was very underwhelming, I felt. But the audio was very strong anyway, so it's not that big of a deal.

Tons of extras, including IME. I haven't even started on them. But for PQ this one is an absolute winner. I only noticed one shot that seemed out of place. When Wonka is leading the group to the door that opens up to the chocolate river area, the picture suddenly went soft and a little out of focus. Don't know if it was just the way they shot it or a problem in the encoding, but it was the only fault I could find.

Buy this movie. :)

bboisvert 10-10-06 06:49 PM

Corpse Bride HD DVD Review
 
http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/sho...w.php3?ID=8999

"I don't believe this film looked this good in the theater." :up:

darkside 10-10-06 07:19 PM


Originally Posted by Suprmallet

Buy this movie. :)

I know I'm trying. God Damn Amazon! [shakes fist]

I want to check out Polar Express tonight, but I have to be up early and will have to wait. I really have a soft spot for this movie and can't wait. I've watched in in 3D twice so I'm not sure I will like it in 2D even though its hi-def.

BTW, I did finish Robin Hood and was very impressed with it. I'm really crossing my fingers for more 30s classics. I doubt many will top Robin Hood, but I'm betting Gone With the Wind will be the reference 30s disc.

I'm probably going to sell Dirty Dozen though. Very uneven transfer that will look great in one scene, look like a DVD in the next and then have moments where it looks like a VHS tape. I'm guessing that was just the way it was filmed or the condition of some of the elements, but it actually lends to the arguement that some old films won't be worth upgrading from DVD.

PornoStar 10-11-06 02:59 AM


Originally Posted by darkside
I am so behind on movies, because Amazon is taking forever to ship them to me. I finally got to watch Seabiscuit and it was jaw dropping. I had just watched Troy before it and was pretty impressed, but after seeing Seabiscuit I have to consider Troy just an above average release.

Dirty Dozen looked pretty decent, but those weird quality drops rights before scenes end are damn annoying. They really stand out like sore thumbs on HD DVD.

I still need to watch Robin Hood, but the cartoons looked nice and I checked out the beginning of the film and it looks to be in good shape and very detailed. I'm still a bit skeptical that old films from the 30's will be a big improvement in HD. Dracula and Frankenstein for instance have so much wear and tear on the film that I'm just not convinced the quality jump will be the great. However, Robin Hood really looks fantastic so I'm really looking forward to more 30s films in HD to prove me wrong.

Anyway, I think Seabiscuit is my new reference disc at least until Batman comes out on Tuesday.

You have nothing to fear in regards to the 30's movies. They will look absolutly stunning and the amount of detioriation of the master print will have more effect on the amount of time needed to upgrade the print more than the end quality the print will have. The tools that are available today in regards to helping restore damaged prints are simply stunning. I use alot of them in my still photography work and in some cases you wouldnt believe the end result when looking at the terrible condition the print was in. Even with serious degradation of the original print there is still a ton of information on the emulsion.


PS..

PornoStar 10-11-06 03:14 AM


Originally Posted by MrChaos
I was able to grab BB and PE like so many others early today from Target. Here's my take on BB:


The first obvious example here is the usage of colors. The film’s most dominant color, naturally, is black. Mr. Wayne’s suit looks flawless with such intense detail (take a look at the scene where he is painting his suit. Simply amazing). The film’s other colors, like the earlier yellows and blues, the fire sequence’s reds and oranges, look equally as good breathing new life into this transfer. Speaking of the film’s transfer, the film’s very recent life really shows here. The sharpness of the print is truly great with many sequences of extreme detail (One of my favorite scenes in the film has always been where Scarecrow, well, scares his victims showing them their true fears. Do as I did here. Pause the film and walk up to your screen and look at the intense detail in the look of the picture. Trust me, you don’t be disappointed.

I have to totally agree. The usage of the color black in this release is simply stunning and it really has no equal to date. Its a testament to not only the studio but to the VC1 format in itself. People viewing on a LCD might not get the same experience but on my Plasma, it was stunning. The scene you mentioned in particular, when he was spray painting his suit has to be seen to be believed. I watched this scene a few times and I have to say it is probably the single best scene I have seen on a home theatre in regards to its rendition of the color black.

This film is without a doubt my favorite print so far on HD-DVD. It is a perfect balance of filtration and clarity with a perfect amount of grain. While some prefer and will continue to prefer the Aeon Flux transfer in terms of a demo disc, I like a little more grittyness to my fim transfers than what Aeon Flux offered. While Aeon is great at showing just how much detail can be seen in HD, it just doesnt hold the weight that the Batman transfer does in the asthetic department. Its a stunning transfer and one where I can find not a single thing that I would do to improve on it. The Dark scenes as discussed above are the best I have seen on a home theatre and the brighter scenes are just as stunning. The city shots of Gotham are some of the best architecture shots I have ever seen on a home theatre. Pretty much this entire transfer is the best I have seen on a home theatre and amazingly it retains its gritty look on top of it.

This is without a doubt what HD is all about and hopefully we can look forward to more pictures in the future that retain this kind of quality.

PS..

Supermallet 10-11-06 08:01 PM


Originally Posted by bboisvert
http://www.digitallyobsessed.com/sho...w.php3?ID=8999

"I don't believe this film looked this good in the theater." :up:

Digitally Obsessed is doing HD DVD reviews now, huh? I used to review for them. I've still got quite a few reviews up on that site.

Adam Tyner 10-11-06 08:05 PM

digitallyObsessed isn't one of the more prolific sites (35 reviews out of the seventy-something out now), but they've been reviewing HD DVDs since right around the format's launch in April.

bboisvert 10-12-06 10:41 AM

Wonka looks fantastic!
 
With all of the releases and announcements over the past few days, this got a bit lost in the shuffle for me... but I just skipped through the Willy Wonka disc a bit (probably watched about 20 minutes total from various scenes).

Wow. This looks amazing. I've seen this movie dozens (hundreds? :eek: ) of times and new things just leap right out at me.

DJ_Longfellow 10-12-06 12:30 PM

So, what do most consider the best HD-DVD movies thus far? I think I'm going to pick up the XBOX 360 one....and I may buy a couple movies with the BUY.com deal, but curious what is the MOST improved over the DVD counterpart.

digitalfreaknyc 10-12-06 12:42 PM

I've heard Charlie, Polar and Batman are some of the best out there right now.

Kong will certainly be an improvement.

Supermallet 10-12-06 03:50 PM

Also Corpse Bride is amazing, as is Chronicles of Riddick, Blazing Saddles, Grand Prix.

bboisvert 10-12-06 04:27 PM


Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
So, what do most consider the best HD-DVD movies thus far?

My personal list is:

Adventures of Robin Hood
Batman Begins
Charlie and the Chocolate Factory
Serenity
Willy Wonka and the Chocolate Factory
The Searchers
Corpse Bride

There's lots of other great titles out there as well but those are the ones that have really made me go "wow".

Mr. Cinema 10-12-06 04:59 PM

Batman Begins
Training Day
Fast and the Furious: Tokyo Drift
2 Fast 2 Furious
Chronicles of Riddick

DthRdrX 10-13-06 12:26 AM


Originally Posted by DJ_Longfellow
So, what do most consider the best HD-DVD movies thus far? I think I'm going to pick up the XBOX 360 one....and I may buy a couple movies with the BUY.com deal, but curious what is the MOST improved over the DVD counterpart.

Honestly, if you are judging by PQ, I think we'd be better off to compile a list of movies that we can't suggest. :)

From what I've seen, and I've seen most of them, I'd say my favorites are:

The Searchers
The Adventures of Robin Hood
Chronicles Riddick
Aeon Flux
SeaBiscuit
Batman Begins is my favorite.


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