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Originally Posted by Vipper II
I wasn't being serious... Tongue-in-cheek doesn't work too well on a message board :).
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
I'll say it again, there is no way in hell there are more 35 year olds and older playing games that those 15 and under. No f'n way.
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Originally Posted by The Bus
Again, you're wrong.
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Well, you know, Spartacus is a pretty long movie. Maybe Universal will try out 45GB for that one.
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Originally Posted by Qui Gon Jim
I'm not suggesting that ALL will be bundled, but I think a big big chunk of what retailers DO get will be bundled.
$600 for the system, and games will be less than $100, which is under $700. If you wanted to argue that while it's possible to get a system and game for under $700, a lot of people may end up having to buy the more expensive bundles, you should've said so instead of making such an irrational statement. |
Don't let Best Buy sucker you into any bundles which have always been against corporate policy. Have corporate on your speed dial and offer to clear up their policy on "attachment" then and there. I heard people had that problem, but I have never encountered that at Best Buy.
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A question about the DL BR discs. I see that Chicken Little has a release date and is suppose to be dual layer. Does that mean the problems are resolved, or just that they are hoping to have them resolved? I haven't heard any new news on the dual layer problems. Anyone?
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All dual layer BD discs up to this point have been delayed repeatedly; until we get closer to these dates, calling them anything but "wishful thinking" is being awfully forgiving to the BD camp.
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Originally Posted by kvrdave
A question about the DL BR discs. I see that Chicken Little has a release date and is suppose to be dual layer. Does that mean the problems are resolved, or just that they are hoping to have them resolved? I haven't heard any new news on the dual layer problems. Anyone?
Matsushita's Kozuka stressed that Matsushita has already established a volume production system at its BD Replication Task Force (BDRT) at PDMC (Panasonic Disc Manufacturing Corp. of America) in Torrance, Calif. Matsushita now lacks a disc replication business in the U.S., so is considering turning the replication line into a commercial line. "By the Christmas season, dual-layered discs will be on market," Kozuka said. Matsushita is offering the disc production technology to other replicators through its affiliate company Origin Electric. Sony also plans to begin producing dual layered discs at its Shizuoka plant. |
Um, where in that article does it say BD50s are actually (i.e. currently, now, not-sometime-in-the-future) in production?
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That entire portion i quoted was in refernece to BD50 discs. Read the entire article and it leads up to it.
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Originally Posted by Blitz6Speed
That entire portion i quoted was in refernece to BD50 discs. Read the entire article and it leads up to it.
I've read it 10 times and still don't see what you are referring to. All I see is: The BD group claims the 50 Gbyte capacity disc realized by the dual-layered structure is an advantage over competing HD DVD, but the difficulty of producing the discs has been regarded as a big hurdle. "By the Christmas season, dual-layered discs will be on market," Kozuka said. |
I am really eager to see them out so that we can get reviews. I don't mind eventually becoming a dual format supporter if BR gets more stuff I want to see, but the dual layer thing has definately got me spooked. It sure seems like there is a real possibility of them being real buggy from a player perspective.
And the idea that the PS3 may not play them is a disaster, and I can't see that happening. I can't see Sony actually producing the PS3 until it knows that it can play them. Any further delay would be a disaster, but not nearly as big as having the majority of the players on the market being incapable of playing back the discs. |
The article just sounds like more promises to me.
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Originally Posted by Blitz6Speed
So panasonic and Sony are both doing BD50s now and going at it full blast.
"Sony also plans to begin producing dual layered discs at its Shizuoka plant." I guess it makes sense though. To Sony and Blitz, planning = "going at it full blast". :rolleyes: And like others have said, it does not state anywhere that the problems associated with production yeilds are gone. |
Sony Delays Blu-ray Players Until October Sony now plans to release a Blu-ray high-definition DVD player in the U.S. in October and a combination recorder-player in Japan later in the year, the company announced in Tokyo today (Tuesday). The delay will give Toshiba's rival HD-DVD player a six-month headstart over Sony. Samsung released a Blu-ray player in the U.S. in June, but few have turned up on retailers' shelves. Kiyoshi Nishitani, the Sony executive who oversees Sony's Blu-ray business, declined to state how much Sony's player will cost. The battle between Sony and Toshiba's incompatible formats is likely to keep sales for both down, analysts said. "DVD sales will go down this year because consumers know about high definition but they don't know which format to buy," Netflix Chairman Reed Hastings told today's Los Angeles Times. "The problem with picking sides is that creates consumer anxiety, and so they'll just stop buying, period, or slow down their buying." And on a related note...even if you are interested in getting one of these puppies (whatever the price), you might not be able to find it. http://www.hdbeat.com/2006/08/29/blu...aser-shortage/ "As more manufacturers prepare to jump in to the battle this holiday season they may not be able to because of their shared reliance on blue lasers. Only a few companies worldwide produce them and none have been able to get very good yields. Even Sony, who produces blue lasers for themselves and others, has predicted a shortage as they seek to roll out the Playstation 3 and BDP-S1 and according to this article, have suspended shipments to others. For manufacturers who have to rely on someone else for a supply, this could mean a delay until 2007 before many players and drives are launched." |
All this new technology in the PS3 is scary. They havent even demo'ed it yet!!
It very well might be all thats expected, but its just not looking good right now. To many things that can break or has/have issues. |
I still don't see anywhere where it says they are actually producing the DL disc for BD.
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"DVD sales will go down this year because consumers know about high definition but they don't know which format to buy," Netflix Chairman Reed Hastings told today's Los Angeles Times. "The problem with picking sides is that creates consumer anxiety, and so they'll just stop buying, period, or slow down their buying." |
It's been reported on AVS (by a poster who's made a habit of knowing what he's talking about for the year and more) that there will be several BD players, priced in Toshiba's lowest price range, to be launched before Christmas. Here's his post -
Originally Posted by AMillians
I can think of one, possibly two, units that are scheduled to hit before XMAS in line with the cheapest price point Toshiba has planned (i.e., sub $500). As I said a long time ago, Life's Good for those who want something more affordable from the BD kids.
You forget that the BD camp got started on SoC-based solutions well in advanced of the HD DVD camp. Now, diode shortages could alter some BDA member companies' intentions, but the plans were laid out months ago to meet Toshiba's pricing strategy before the end of the year, and said plans had nothing to do with the PS3. |
^ funny that there have been no reports of this. I would think that to combat HD-DVD this news would have been leaked waaaaay before now.
I dont see this happening before the end of the year. |
Yeah...avs is all going crazy with this "news." We'll see what happens.
I can't see Sony allowing someone else to throw THEM under a bus. ;) Besides, they don't have enough parts to make their own players. Why would other people have them? Or maybe this is the big announcement tomorrow? who knows. |
That's surprising considering news of the Sony and Pioneer players has been around for a while. If indeed we get sub-$500 players and the supposed combo player before fall (as "trusted source"(s) on AVS said), I'll be very surprised.
A price war can only benefit us. |
Originally Posted by The Bus
That's surprising considering news of the Sony and Pioneer players has been around for a while. If indeed we get sub-$500 players and the supposed combo player before fall (as "trusted source"(s) on AVS said), I'll be very surprised.
A price war can only benefit us. |
Normally I treat these AVS rumours (like the incessant Kong release rumours) with a pinch of salt, but Alex has been consistently right, and has some interesting contacts. He's also an MS boy, and a supporter of HD DVD, which adds a little credibility to his motives. But it's certainly interesting that Amir hasn't attempted to pour cold water on these claims in any way.
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