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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
For some hardcore fanatics here the answer will be yes; not so for the vast majority of consumers.
They bought a pretty slick Toshiba HDTV because (a) they wanted something that was a decent size; (b) the selection of HDTVs was significantly better than SDs; and (c) they are vaguely aware that HD is 'better' and wanted a TV that wouldn't be obsolete in a few years. My parents aren't going to be early adopters of HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. I don't expect that even the studios are expecting these to be in millions of homes in a matter of years... but, years down the road, when prices drop, disc purchase/rental selection increases, and there's no damn format war, you can bet that they'll pick up a player and jump in. They already own the TV that can take advantage of it. My point? This will certainly be more gradual than the DVD adoption when saw 5 years ago, but it *will* happen. Most young people I know already own HDTVs (even if they are clueless about how to take advantage of them). And I'm starting to see a few 'older folks' who are picking them up as well. The entire industry is slowly, slowly pushing people toward HD. People may not rush out to buy a new TV or player, but they'll get there eventually. Not because they're "hardcore fanatics" or because they care too much about picture quality. It will simply be because HD will have grown to the point where it is the most logical (and possibly, only reasonable) choice. |
Well obviously there is already a higher definition technology for TV than 1080p, but with 1080i becoming the ultimate resolution for broadcast television for a long, long time and the bandwith issues with anything higher res that 1080p I think this is about as good as we can ask for from a price standpoint. HD DVD and Blu-ray are giving us 1080p video and lossless sound. Considering the discs are close in price to current DVDs I think they have found a good balance for the new formats.
If we are talking about the menus or the media holding the movies I don't know really and don't care that much. All I know is I'm tired of people saying discs are dead and we will eventually watch everything on demand or saved to a hard drive. I will never support that and with the bandwith problems in this country 1080p is not getting streamed to your house in the next decade or two. |
Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Let me just ask you all, if you were in charge of developing a new format, is this the best you would come up with? Are there no more significant improvements to be made in the way we access and enjoy moving pictures?
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But when happens when HD-DVD becomes "unpure" I mean seriously ..based on your other comments, you seem to have some kind of fetish that equates "bleeding edge with pureness" The two aren't the same.
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Let me just ask you all, if you were in charge of developing a new format, is this the best you would come up with?
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My parents aren't going to be early adopters of HD-DVD/Blu-Ray. I don't expect that even the studios are expecting these to be in millions of homes in a matter of years... but, years down the road, when prices drop, disc purchase/rental selection increases, and there's no damn format war, you can bet that they'll pick up a player and jump in. T There comes a point where to the majority of consumers, enough is enough..thats what the NYTimes article (I think meant) So sure, HD is the next evolution, but currently I don't view HD or Bluray to be a big enough reason to junk my TV and DVD player at this point. Probably in another 2-3 years, I will be ready for one..but until then...HD-DVD (or BluRay) isn't going to push me over the limit. |
What's the big deal?
CD replaced cassette replaced 8-track replaced vinyl (audiophiles notwithstanding ;)). Each new format involved potentially replacing existing titles on the old format. Same thing with DVD and VHS. This is nothing new. Why the outrage? I think that one of the big causes is that due to increases in technology, the formats are changing at faster paces. Instead of a new format every few decades, we're seeing them less than a decade apart, so more people remember going through a format change once before... |
Or it could be that DVD happened to come along at a time when we were about to make a major change in TV formats.
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Originally Posted by chanster
But when happens when HD-DVD becomes "unpure" I mean seriously ..based on your other comments, you seem to have some kind of fetish that equates "bleeding edge with pureness" The two aren't the same.
HD is here to stay as a broadcast format. Even when DVD was coming out, HD was on the horizon. Right now, HD is very much up-and-coming. HD is here for a while and eventually an HD format will catch up with that. Try actually READING my comments and stop worrying about your precious DVD collection. if it's fine for you then enjoy it. |
Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
Let me just ask you all, if you were in charge of developing a new format, is this the best you would come up with? Are there no more significant improvements to be made in the way we access and enjoy moving pictures?
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Originally Posted by SINGLE104
The only substance that would surpass the quality of HD, and other video resolutions would be if your literally working in the movie on location.
HD is here to stay. |
There is nothing beyond HD. This is it. Try actually READING my comments and stop worrying about your precious DVD collection. |
Originally Posted by chanster
Sure. Whatever.
Obviously you care enough to keep coming into this thread and try to belittle me. |
I can assure you HD-DVDs /Blue ray will never take off and will have a limited following. DVDs are here to stay and only die hard home theater junkies will be upgrading to any other format. It won't die out....but it will have a limited following. MARK MY WORDS.
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Originally Posted by babka
I can assure you HD-DVDs /Blue ray will never take off and will have a limited following. DVDs are here to stay and only die hard home theater junkies will be upgrading to any other format. It won't die out....but it will have a limited following. MARK MY WORDS.
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Effects houses are already moving to 4k inhouse but I dont think that will hit the consumer market for a long-long-long time (I'm thinking a couple of decades). I hope that sound gets better and catches up to the quality of the video, but as far as images go, HD is here to stay.
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Originally Posted by digitalfreaknyc
I believe 4k is the next step up and they have made next to no masters for something like that. PLUS the studios believe it's getting to close to their masters.
HD is here to stay. HD discs will probably not match the sales of DVDs since we are still in a transition period to HD. However, as HDTVs sales continue to grow (and they are not going to slow down) HD discs will continue to build momentum and DVD players will be fazed out. The DVD medium will continue to survive, but I see a point 3-4 years from now where HDTVs are in the majority of homes and HD discs meet or exceed DVD disc sales. Both formats will probably not survive the battle, but one of them will and it will be a lot more successful than laserdisc or any other niche high end product. HDTV sales indicate people want HD content. You simply can't dismiss HD movies as another laserdisc or SACD. They are too affordable and HDTVs are too popular. |
Why is there so much bitterness about new and better technology? Why should anyone have to settle on dvd? I want the best picture and sound quality possible for my movies and HD is that choice now and it will be that choice for years.
Doesn't everyone notice that most tvs that are carried now are 16:9 HDTV's? The SD tvs are getting phased out. Everything is moving to HD, including movies. |
Originally Posted by Mr. Cinema
It's very quite simple for me. High Definition DVD has better sound quality and better picture quality than DVD. :clap:
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Originally Posted by T1000
Duh...
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Originally Posted by Vandelay_Inds
I'd love to be able to explore films from Russia or Thailand without having to spend a fortune and with no need to hack the hardware. I'd love to see Wonder Years and the remaining seasons of Mad About You. I'd love to watch all the stuff regarded by movie executives as non-viable and non-profitable that gets thrown into a vault for no one to see. I'd love to see movies presented exclusively in their correct OAR. I'd love small and thin cases that save space and effectively prevent discs from arriving scratched.
These are the sort of things that would make a difference to me. As you can see, they are fundamental changes in the way the industry operates, not format specific. But that is part of the argument: high definition DVDs will not transform the home movie experience like DVDs did. Low movie ownership prices, a huge picture and sound quality improvement on any display, an exponentially expanded title availability, whole TV seasons, direct access to scenes, higher durability, no rewinding... what comparable advantages do high definition DVDs offer? The other half of the argument complements the first: will a benefit and cost analysis hold for the average consumer? Does an increase in resolution justify the hefty price tag? Given that the overwhelming majority of people do not even bother spending $25 on some component cables to replace the composite ones included with their players, the answer seems to be clear. But that is ok, since audio/video technology is not an end in itself, only a pathway to the movies and TV we love. It seems for many though the means become the end. Your one on-topic portion....J6P can kiss my ass. I want better discs. If he can't make use of them, so what? I can. Specifically, 1080 is as high a resolution as we will see for a long time. And (if the studios make use of it) the new discs make room for uncompressed audio. Those are good reasons for new technology. |
Originally Posted by darkside
You simply can't dismiss HD movies as another laserdisc or SACD. They are too affordable and HDTVs are too popular.
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