Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Hi guys, this was a discussion I had with our sales team and this is not the first time we've done ads for similar services. I basically came back from the weekend and this was already arranged. It's a rare occurrence and should not be construed as DVDTalk's or IB's endorsement of these products (the only reason I personally posted it is because we do not have Nativo ad capabilities on this site).
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
This reminds me of the time when this site was cracking down on folks posting "adult" images (rather tame ones actually), meanwhile there were reviews of mature DVD titles complete with sexy cover art at the top of the page.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
This does not mean that more threads about DVD Copying/Ripping software are permitted.
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The forum rules have not changed and are subject to DVDTalk's discretion. Paid-for ads remain allowed.
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Maybe I should word this another way. You said "Paid-for ads remain allowed." Are paid-for ads allowed for any product or does IB have standards for what products they will accept direct ad campaigns for? If IB does have standards, why does it not include rejecting ad campaigns for products that are strictly prohibited from discussion on the site?
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
I’d give my left nut and some legal burn software if they could provide a fucking stable forum. I’m getting spam ads all over the place right now.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Can you elaborate on this? Why is a sponsor allowed to promote something that we will get banned for discussing? Is it merely because the sponsor provides IB income? If I send IB $50, can I start a thread to talk about DVD rippers?
Maybe I should word this another way. You said "Paid-for ads remain allowed." Are paid-for ads allowed for any product or does IB have standards for what products they will accept direct ad campaigns for? If IB does have standards, why does it not include rejecting ad campaigns for products that are strictly prohibited from discussion on the site?
Maybe I should word this another way. You said "Paid-for ads remain allowed." Are paid-for ads allowed for any product or does IB have standards for what products they will accept direct ad campaigns for? If IB does have standards, why does it not include rejecting ad campaigns for products that are strictly prohibited from discussion on the site?
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
FWIW, I'm seeing an advertisement for a hit-man service on the page right now. I'm debating on whether I should click it. (It gives you a 10% off coupon.) I've seen way cheaper murder-for-hire services on Onion sites.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Can you elaborate on this? Why is a sponsor allowed to promote something that we will get banned for discussing? Is it merely because the sponsor provides IB income? If I send IB $50, can I start a thread to talk about DVD rippers?
Maybe I should word this another way. You said "Paid-for ads remain allowed." Are paid-for ads allowed for any product or does IB have standards for what products they will accept direct ad campaigns for? If IB does have standards, why does it not include rejecting ad campaigns for products that are strictly prohibited from discussion on the site?
Maybe I should word this another way. You said "Paid-for ads remain allowed." Are paid-for ads allowed for any product or does IB have standards for what products they will accept direct ad campaigns for? If IB does have standards, why does it not include rejecting ad campaigns for products that are strictly prohibited from discussion on the site?
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Some ads are context dependent and vary by user. Also, are you sure that's not for Hitman, the videogame? I've gotten ads for that on YouTube in my free time.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Any of us can buy the ability to post about non-allowed topics to avoid being banned? Where does that end? Would enough money allow porn posts too? Should we expect to start seeing XXX adds on this site? This is a real question since I rely on this site to not have offensive material. If we start getting XXX adds, I'm out.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Wait, so this is real? LMAO
Any of us can buy the ability to post about non-allowed topics to avoid being banned? Where does that end? Would enough money allow porn posts too? Should we expect to start seeing XXX adds on this site? This is a real question since I rely on this site to not have offensive material. If we start getting XXX adds, I'm out.
Any of us can buy the ability to post about non-allowed topics to avoid being banned? Where does that end? Would enough money allow porn posts too? Should we expect to start seeing XXX adds on this site? This is a real question since I rely on this site to not have offensive material. If we start getting XXX adds, I'm out.
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Are paid-for ads allowed for any product or does IB have standards for what products they will accept direct ad campaigns for?
If IB does have standards, why does it not include rejecting ad campaigns for products that are strictly prohibited from discussion on the site?
For example, can I buy a promotional post to sell physical copies of my fan edit of Star Wars? Or a bootleg BD of Lost Highway?
It would appear that the forum rules relating to content aren't actually forum rules relating to content, if an entity can pay the IB sales team to put targeted content specifically on this forum that breaks the forum rules. I would suggest the forum rules should be updated to provide the paid process by which we can circumvent the rule. Any objections from IB or the mods?
At this point, the "don't you dare say a word about this product, but please do buy it because we were paid to promote it" policy appears laughably absurd.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
I think the thing that is sticking in people's craws about this is that long time members have been exposed to years of chastising and threats here over talking about "unauthorized copying" of DVDs and seeing such a blatant, DVD Talk approved ad for something that does just that is like a big "fuck you" to all of us that have tried to follow this rule over the past two decades or so. Just my opinion.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Noonan, "Ignoring or arguing with warning posts a moderator or administrator makes in a thread" is a rule. Please stay on topic and keep posts constructive. If you have serious questions, I am happy to answer them to the best of my ability, either in this thread or via PM.
Everyone should keep in mind that the Feedback thread is a little more "formal". Let's try to keep things problem-solution oriented.
Everyone should keep in mind that the Feedback thread is a little more "formal". Let's try to keep things problem-solution oriented.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
If IB does have standards, why does it not include rejecting ad campaigns for products that are strictly prohibited from discussion on the site?
For example, can I buy a promotional post to sell physical copies of my fan edit of Star Wars? Or a bootleg BD of Lost Highway?
For example, can I buy a promotional post to sell physical copies of my fan edit of Star Wars? Or a bootleg BD of Lost Highway?
It would appear that the forum rules relating to content aren't actually forum rules relating to content, if an entity can pay the IB sales team to put targeted content specifically on this forum that breaks the forum rules. I would suggest the forum rules should be updated to provide the paid process by which we can circumvent the rule. Any objections from IB or the mods?
At this point, the "don't you dare say a word about this product, but please do buy it because we were paid to promote it" policy appears laughably absurd.
At this point, the "don't you dare say a word about this product, but please do buy it because we were paid to promote it" policy appears laughably absurd.
#46
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
This is to everyone here: I have voiced my concerns and your concerns to our sales team to try and figure something out. You are being heard.
#47
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
Noonan, "Ignoring or arguing with warning posts a moderator or administrator makes in a thread" is a rule. Please stay on topic and keep posts constructive. If you have serious questions, I am happy to answer them to the best of my ability, either in this thread or via PM.
Everyone should keep in mind that the Feedback thread is a little more "formal". Let's try to keep things problem-solution oriented.
Everyone should keep in mind that the Feedback thread is a little more "formal". Let's try to keep things problem-solution oriented.
-We're not allowed to post threads or any comments regarding DVD Ripping Software
-However; if we pay IB enough money, we can?
-IB will continue to post adds for products which we will get banned for even mentioning in a forum post?
No disrespect but you've been avoiding every real question we've asked about how this forum is going to manage this going forward. I did not argue or ignore any of your posts; I merely provided my opinion which is absolutely allowed by forum rules. Deleting my posts with no warning or reason however, is not. I also did PM an Admin and have not yet heard back as to why my posts were deleted.
EDIT: YOU JUST DELETED A 3RD POST OF MINE BUT DIDN'T REALIZE IT WAS QUOTED FURTHER DOWN. GOOD JOB!!!!!!!
Please, explain to me what rules that post broke. I really want to know your explanation other that just being salty and abusing power.
Last edited by Noonan; 11-14-18 at 01:33 PM.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
I don't have direct answers to those questions, because I am not on the sales team and the salesperson that handles this site is a remote worker.
"If you post advertising or promotions for your company or a company you work for or pose as a consumer discussing your product you will be charged for advertising on DVD Talk and hereby agree to pay in full and advertising fee for your posts up to $5,000." is the last line on the Rule page and has been there for some time.
What I'm suggesting is a clarification to the rules that goes something like this:
ABSOLUTELY NO (except for EXCEPTION cases below):
• Posting requests for copies of copyrighted material, or "how-to-get/make bootleg material" (including ripping) instructions.
• Anything that violates the trademark or copyright of another company including anything that may violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
**EXCEPTIONS:
That's encouraging, thanks.
• Posting requests for copies of copyrighted material, or "how-to-get/make bootleg material" (including ripping) instructions.
• Anything that violates the trademark or copyright of another company including anything that may violate the Digital Millennium Copyright Act.
**EXCEPTIONS:
- Contact the IB sales team at XXXX to inquire about posting promotional material for products that can make copies of copyrighted material or be used to violate the DMCA.
#49
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
The 2 posts I referred to earlier regarding a competing product are still up by the way.
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Re: Wait, now we’re sponsoring DVD Rippers?
By that logic, lets start advertising for bump stocks and AR-15s! It's not the manufactures fault they're used for illegal activity.