Inappropriate dvd cover in reviews....
 

http://images.dvdtalk.com/covers/B000KHX7JY.jpg

I don't think this is appropriate for regular rotation. Seems a little risque. I understand that it appears to be non-porn title, but seeing that picture makes it look like it is.

Agree wholeheartedly, but Geoff always says the rule is that if Amazon sells it the cover can go in the rotation. :(

http://www.amazon.com/Love-Scenes-Ti...9713254&sr=1-1

Asked and answered...

The thing is we never get complaints about covers like this

<img src="http://images.dvdtalk.com/covers/B000MM0LH8.jpg">

The site's not safe for work... It just isn't.

As I always say, I don't like those gory covers either. Neither are work safe.

But as you say, you decided not to make the site work safe so be it.

Well, consider me officially complaining about it now. :p

It also makes me wonder. If the site is not supposed to be work-safe, why not allow linking to the adult forum?

Or have the mods edit out "not safe for work" links in Other and various forums on the site and warn people not to link to stuff that is NSFW?

You've mentioned this type of thing a lot, and I think it comes down to this. Most guys don't get boners looking at gory dvd covers.

That's the problem. People at work don't want to think of their coworkers as raging perverts popping boners under their desk.

Because the reality is that many people DO visit the site from work. So while we're not going to radically change what we do to be safe for work we're also not going to go out of our way to be NOT safe for work.

If you're the same joe I remember from adt, I would think you'd be extremely happy at the idea of many guys at work sporting boners. Otherwise, if a cover like the one heading up this thread is enough to give someone wood, a number of the others must be causing those types to require a condom at all times (ie: like Rob Scheider's "orgasm man" character from SNL). People like that probably don't need to be surfing the internet at work. ;)

The idea is that reasonable accomodations have been made for folks. Some, particularly a very vocal handful, will always want something more but most of the members that actually contribute to the website have failed to rally to the war cries about adult/NSFW content. A few have even completely marginalized themselves by publicly stating they won't do anything to support the website over this topic; making their comments unnecessary altogether. Bending over backwards to appease such types seems counter productive unless a groundswell of financially contributing members "Show G! the Money!".

To be fair Don, I've said numerous times I'd pay up to $50 a year for an ad and dvd review cover free forum experience as that would solve all the NSFW issues.

Unless that becomes and option, I'm doing nothing to support the site. But I am willing to show G the money if he puts up a pay area that is work safe.

So is now a good time to re-request that the mainstream porn review links and pictures be moved down below the HD/blu-ray reviews on the main page? To the more appropriate (and consistent) location that includes the All-Male and Adult Toy reviews?

As to the first part, G! would also need to remove any potentially offensive pictures from reviews as well or you'd be upset. Others would chime in saying certain foul language/"bad" words or other text would have to be included on the NSFW experience in order for them to fork over money. Still others would not want discussions of a political nature, specific topics, or use of key words that their company IT gurus have set up spyware for. In short, it is the same kind of slippery slope that some of you have suggested DVD Talk has applied to adult material.

One way to handle this would be to completely overhaul the website and compartmentalize each section (on a scale far surpassing what it has now); allowing paying members to skips ads, covers, pictures, and specific columns (up to and including any of them) as well as entering in key words for the website to prevent your computer from accessing. Such a move would complicate other revenue streams and I'm not sure if a working business model could be developed that would appeal to enough people to cover the costs and allow for growth. I've never asked G! for specifics on the finances of DVD Talk (and don't intend to start now) but based on what others have told me about their websites, expecting G! to radically alter his approach is unreasonable at this time. I would propose that those of you wanting to increase your voice in such an effort be willing to send some amount (like $100/year) as that would give you the credibility of a financial backer and prove your resolve. If enough people did this, it would certainly get G!'s attention more than what amount to empty promises of future payment (ala Wimpy offering to pay him next Tuesday for a hamburger today).

There are so many variables involved in running a successful operation like DVD Talk that this would be the only way I would suggest he try that approach (perhaps offering a companion website "dumbed down" for workplace surfing). This is mostly because a lot of people either do not surf from work, would not pay for content they can get for free, or don't work in places where their employer is so restrictive.

It's only consistent if you are judging the reviews in terms of their adult content; a relatively limited focal point considering the wealth of material it covers. If we went by popularity/revenue/several other factors, the line up would be significantly different (and not in a manner you'd like, judging by your request).

Is it your opinion that the Review page is organized by something other than content? That adult material doesn't logically go together?

I don't see any indication that the page is organized by popularity, revenue, or any other factors -- if it is, I'd love to hear why HD DVD is before Blu-ray in the listings.

My point is that the page is not organized solely by the rating of the content (otherwise, the manner in which you have described would be in place). If left up to me, the weekly releases section would be expanded and placed first with the theatrical titles at the end (since they aren't about DVD's). Your preferred method of organization appears to be based solely on rating/adult content and mine does not. Heck, given the nature of many mainstream reviews (particularly foreign titles), it could be argued that the gay titles should be immediately following the mainstream list (based on thematic similarities).

There were several factors involved in how the page was set up; some of which are public and others that are not. DVD content has long been the main focus of the website (hence the website name) so it makes sense to put it first just as if the name was HD DVD Talk, HD Talk, Blu-Ray Talk, Porn Talk, or Movie Talk, you'd expect to find the specific group first. Currently, there are more SD DVD reviews too, followed by mainstream porn, etc. The next time the website goes through a major overhaul, BR might be on top of HD but I don't think there should be an automatic expectation that adult content goes to the bottom any more than placing adult on top due to affiliate sales (ie: the website is not designed to be safe for work).

Nope. All I'd want is no ads, and no review covers in the forum areas. I generally don't read the reviews or visit the front page here so I don't care about that stuff.

Give me a paid forum with no ads, review covers etc. and I'd gladly shell out up to $50 a year.

It wouldn't be hard to do, would just require the subscription forum to be on it's own server, and the page designed a bit to just pull in the threads etc. and not any ads etc.

Now of course, I don't know if a subscription forum would be economically viable--but it wouldn't require the kind of sweeping changes you list.

Again just no ads or any review covers period would get me to pay in a second.

That's all cool... and I've long ago realized that this site is not safe for work.

But I do think there's an overall inconsistency in providing a separate Adult forum, not allowing links to there from other forums, making sure that all posted images in other forums are free from boobies and snatch...

... yet I have to scroll past Latina Anal Heartbreakers to get to the HD DVD reviews.

While not "work safe", the rest of this site seems to go out of it's way to make sure that adult stuff stays in adult areas. Except, for whatever reason, the main Reviews page.

If that's financial, that's fine. But it is inconsistent with the way the rest of the site is set up.

For what it's worth:

http://www.dvdtalk.com/reviews/hd.php

Screwing around on the internet is safe for work??

Welcome to America. :lol:

At my job, sure. Not paid hourly, have full internet access etc. so I can do pretty much what ever I want as long as I get my work done.

That said, I'm not on the net that much at work as far as long time periods. Just take a handful of short 5-10 minute internet breaks a day when I need to stop looking at what I was working on for a few minutes.

I too am upset with these ads whether they be at home or work.

So I went into Firefox and blocked all the images that come from "http://images.dvdtalk.com"

It doesn't block the buttons that vBulletin uses (those are stored on the ads.kleinman server).

Good find. That also doesn't block the ads so it shouldn't be against forum rules. Also blocks images in posts, which also eliminates the risk of a member posting something not work safe outside of adult. :thumbsup:

What about the review for Frasier - The Ninth Season?

The image that shows up is this-
http://images.dvdtalk.com/covers/B000MX7V5W.jpg

I must be missing something. What's the problem?

One thing that I found was that this also blocks 95% of the smilies. :(

Oh well, now I'll have to rely on reputation instead of smilies to detect sarcasm and other meanings.

Ah, the picture's fixed now. For a while, it was this:
http://img76.imageshack.us/img76/106/b000mx7v5wmg7.jpg

instead of the Frasier cover.

What really upsets me is the really graphic covers that are shown in the adult section. I mean for the last few days there is a cover showing 2 ladies with a dark colored male member in plain sight....I don't mind seeing the covers but these graphic ones are just too much...

I'm not sure I follow. What are you doing in the Adult Section if you are offended by graphic nudity?

That's a very good point and applies to some of the others that complain as well. From the front page of the website, you can go directly to whatever genre you like, skipping the porn if it offends you (they are presented in the following order there):

DVD
TV on DVD
HD DVD/Blu-ray
International DVDs
Theatrical
Adult
All Male
Reviews by Studio
Video Games

If the mere possibility of a porn cover offends anyone, they can always bookmark the links to their genre(s) of choice too. Otherwise, I'm glad this matter has been repeatedly settled by G! (the guy that owns the website) several times in the recent past. :)

Maybe he's talking about the fact that erect cock pics aren't allowed in the adult forum, but for some reason they are ok on dvd covers.

It's my understanding that the covers are considered "content" courtesy of Adult DVD Empire who is obligated to provide whatever 2257 paperwork for them if requested. Legally speaking, that makes it easy to provide them and not fret over getting inspected (though other websites wussed out on offering them in the recent past; some having seen the light lately as their sales dropped off). There is a growing movement (no pun intended) requesting the allowance of more nudity on the forums and in reviews; though for now and in the near future, G! has kept it restricted. I'd propose lifting some of the restrictions but I don't want the faint of heart to pass out considering the comments a few have made over the Playboy shots in that review of mine... :)

I'm no prude, but I think the Reviews page of the website should be re-organized. Having the ADULT titles between the standard dvd and high def reviews is a bit of a pain. I'll have people over and want to show them a review or two and have to scroll by some porno to get to them... I'm not sure why the other adult sections are at the bottom but this one isn't... is it a major hassel to reorganize the main 'review' menu page, because I'd love to see the adult sections grouped together at the bottom...then if I feel like sneaking a peek, I can, but if I'm just showing some friends High Def reviews or something the porno won't be lurking at the top of the page....

Yeah, I agree with that.

If the adult stuff has to be at the bottom, then at least keep it all down there together.

1. It keeps people from having to scroll through it to get to the HD Reviews if they just want to browse the new review lists etc.

2. It makes more sense. It's kind of odd to have them ordered as:

Latest DVD Reviews
This Weeks DVD Releases
Latest Adult DVD Reviews
Latest HD-DVD Reviews
Latest Blu Ray Reviews
Latest Theatrical Reviews
Latest All Male Adult Reviews
Latest Adult Toys Reviews


Adult DVD reviews just seem out of place stuck in the middle, and would make more sense down after theatrical reviews and before All Male reviews.

We could always list them in alphabetical order too; that would be "logical" for those willing to redesign the main review page based on making more "sense". ;)

Otherwise, the suggestions of bookmarking the links you prefer makes sense too.

I'm not going to belabor the argument with you, as it's futile.

But people shouldn't have to bookmark various sections just to avoid the adult reviews. The whole point of having a main review page is for people to just quickly scroll through new additions without having to click several links and look at different pages to see what was added in each category.

Again, I'm even ok with having them on the same page as the other reviews (though I'd prefer having seperate links to DVD Reviews, Theatrical Reviews and Adult Reviews rather than having 3 different category of reviews together in one cluttered, ugly page).

I don't see what's so wrong with moving the adult reviews down with the rest of the adult reviews so those offended or wanting to just easily browse all the non-adult reviews added to the front page can scroll to the HD reviews without scrolling through porn covers. :shrug:

You're right that it's futile to argue the point (the website owner has made it abundantly clear that the current design is just fine by him). However, just as you've repeatedly made your POV clear (and pointed out that you don't even read the reviews or support the website), I think it's appropriate that I make mine clear as well. I'm not fussing at MDC3000 since it is quite possible that HE is unaware of repeated discussion that takes place and the usual characters that support the changes suggested but when the same old people trot out the same old comments, you have to realize that someone is going to say something about it (ie: you know better or should know better by now). :)

I'm not going to no better on this issue, as it seems like a minor concession to not have the porn reviews in between the DVD/theatrical and HD, both so people don't have to scroll through them, and it makes no sense from a website design standpoint to have part of the adult reviews in the middle of the page and the rest at the end.

I don't think Geoff is as firm on them being in the middle rather than all together. I actually don't recall him commenting on that. He's said the review covers that are on Amazon, are fine for regular rotation, nudity in reviews is fine, and that adult and regular dvds listed on the main page was fine.

I'm fine with all that, but it would be nice if the adult content could at least be together at the bottom of the page so people can access the other reviews without scrolling through them, and aside from that to just have the content all together each in its own areas.

And I do skim the reviews here fairly often, especially the theatrical reviews. DVDs less so as I don't blind buy, and adult not at all as I don't buy DVDs when the net is full of free porn.

Like I said, I'm not going to argue but I would like Geoff to consider putting the adult reviews at the bottom with the the gay reviews and the adult toys review both for convenience to work browsers and for consistencies sake. If he says no, I'll drop it as I have the above issues.

No. Thank you.

Fair enough. Thanks for the speedy response.

Good plan.