Does anyone else feel the need for a sub-forum in Music?
 

I'm not trying to start a flame war. But I must get this off my chest. We all know that tastes in the Music forum skew toward the less mainstream, the eclectic. That doesn't bother me, I enjoy a wide variety of music. However, I enjoy pop, radio-played music (Seal, N'Sync, Faith Hill) and feel I must defend myself because I do.

If I want to create a post about some form mainstream music I have to steel myself for the inevitable backlash.

Should there be a sub-forum where lovers of pop/mainstream can be free to discuss without having to explain themselves..."Really, I don't know why I'm concerned about Britney's Greatest Hits, but I am..is anyone else?"

Maybe you just need to refine your taste more. ;)






I have not noticed a backlash, but then again I stay out of threads starring "acts" I do not care for, which is what others should do as well.

what about a sub forum for "name that song"/lyrics?

Funny, I thought your suggestion was going to be for the exact opposite. At the moment it seems like there are quite a bit of mainstream discussions.

Good points iggy. I just stopped caring.If I wanna talk about Linkin Park or whoever I just do it without the caveats. I find that Ill get some others who will discuss it with me.

The last thing we need is more sub-forums.

I don't think the Music forum in general is popular enough to warrant it. It would also be quite difficult to moderate. I mean, who will distinguish what music falls into what category.

I'll admit I've gone out of my way on occasion to poke fun an artist like Britney Spears (hopefully in the appropriate threads) but I try to make a distinction of poking fun at the artist and poking fun at someone who enjoys that artist's music. In the first I'm expressing my opinion (good) in the second I'd be imposing my opinion on someone else (not so good).

My personal feelings are that ANY genre of music (including country, rap AND pop) has something to offer me, if I'm willing to be open to it. Thus I'll admit that along with Siouxsie and the Banshees, Miles Davis, Johnny Cash, The Cocteau Twins and They Might Be Giants I'm able to enjoy both of Avril's albums and about half of Pink's Misunderstood album. Also, I'm reminded my first CD I owned was by Debbie Gibson- so I realize we all have to start somewhere with our musical tastes. BTW, EY rocks!;)

Anyway, don't think a subforum is a valid solution, but I did want to vocalize that not everyone has a kneejerk reaction against artist just because they're played on the radio/MTV.


... but if anyone says anything good about Celine Dion, they're just opening themselves for a world of trouble! ;)

Exactly. If iggy like Britney for something other than a fisting, well, that's his perogative. [ooo...bad pun] In fact, out of the three artists he listed as examples, one is an enormously talented singer and the other is a really hot chick. The other? Well...the Queer Eye guys ain't got nothin' on them.

Anyways, I agree with Tscott. In fact, there was a Spice Girls thread a while back that was - dare I say - close to overwhelmingly positive! -eek- Don't take it personal iggy, and report anyone that is. However, it's to be expected. There will always be someone who thinks their music is superior to yours.

Screw 'em.

I'm not shocked by the responses here (not that they are bad, I'm just not surprised). Perhaps one of the reasons the Music forum is not a popular because those who have more pop/mainstream tastes have given up posting. C'mon, I actually like Celine Dion (but I like The Killers as well). I wouldn't post a thread about her here. I know what the reaction would be. I just wonder if a sub-forum would allow some to "come out of the closet" and discuss freely their love for Hilary Duff.

I have no problem posting about my love for A Perfect Circle, but if I wanted to about Maroon 5, I'd think twice. No, on second thought I wouldn't.

Is a sub-forum the answer? Maybe not. But in other forums I feel comfortable creating a thread about any particular movie or television show, etc., here, I feel I have to be careful.

Count me among those who (respectfully) disagree with you, iggystar. I think that any thread in here may be subject to threadcrapping, and I don't think a sub-forum will do much of anything to stopping it.

Components of threads I've found that lead to pointless "you suck!" discussions include (and I'm not suggesting you've exhibited any of these):
-- an apologetic attitude ("I know I'm weird, but I really like...")
-- absolutely no justification for their attitude ("I think [____] RAWKS!")
-- a defensive attitude ("[____] RAWKS! Go ahead, prove me wrong!")

Look, I like Smashmouth's "All Star," the Dixie Chicks, and classical music. And I'm not ashamed to say it, or start a thread if I feel like it. I don't think you should feel any different.

But have you? :)

I'm a big girl, threadcraps are a fact on Talk, there is no stopping that. However, I'm merely pointing out that there is an attitude, a vibe in this forum that is not like the others. You're not ashamed, great. My tastes in music have always been questioned because I've never listened what my "demographic" listens to anyway and it's no different here either.
I wouldn't say ashamed is the word for myself, I just think twice before I post here.

Well, I'll agree to disagree with you guys. But I still find it interesting that more people feel like that must defend they're tastes in music here, where say in the Movie forum people don't care if they love Good Burger, they're going to post the thread they don't start with the..."My favorite group is Sigur Rios, but one day I was stuck at work and overheard my co-worker's radio playing Lindsey Lohan's new song and call me crazy, but I liked it."

I find it amusing that someone named "iggy" has such a different taste in music than one would expect with a name like that!

Kind of like if someone named "madonna" was into death metal.

I don't think there's enough posts one way or another to warrant a sub-forum.

i was thinking about this last night. the problem i have is i hate digging through all the music i can't stand to find the music i like (i really dont like much on the radio and i dont care for bands like linkin park, etc). i would like it if there were general subforums for each
ie hip hop and r&b; alternative/indie; christian; pop; rock/punk etc

Okay. You are on a public forum. You have to expect this.

Just remember this:

You probably do not personally know 99% of the people who are members of this forum. Don't let others' comments get to you like that. If they directly trash you for the music you like. Fuck 'em. (Don't tell them that) just think it about them.

Personally, I hate that kind of music, but I do not agree that people should just blast you for liking a certain thing. But you have to learn that people on their computers can "say" anything.

Go and join the IMDB message board.

:shudder:

:D

OK, in spite of this not being a thread about music or musicians per se, and so it being clearly off-topic for the forum, I've left it here for a respectable period.

Now moving to Feedback.


Benedict
Moderator, Music Talk

For the record I am opposed to the idea of sub-forums for different musical types: if someone goes against the forum rules use the "Report this Post" link; if you don't see enough posts on the music you lik ethen start some threads yourself; if you see too many apparent duplicates, again use the "Report this Post" link.

I agree with iggy, but i disagree with a subforum. There are, however far too many threadcrap posts in Music Talk, especially for mainstream artists. I really wish the moderators would crack down on it. Yes, i know we can report posts, but Music Talk seems to be the most judgemental out of all the forums and i'm sure the mods would hate to be nagged everytime someone wants to throw in a snide remark about Creed or Linkin Park. That would be quite a lot of slap on the wrists, and i always feel like i'm wussing out if i feel the need to continuously report posts to mods.

It seems to me like the forum's taste is pretty mainstream on the whole... I do see how some members would make fun of you for listening to nsync instead of slayer or whatever. That'll go on wherever you go. As if the music you listen to determines your level of internet tough-i-tude. In any case, I don't think a sub-forum is warranted - especially if it's a sub-forum for just mainstream music.

Ok, well I guess I'm pretty much alone in my view.

It's so funny how people can focus on a single aspect of what a person is trying to get across. Let me once again clarify -- I never said I was afraid to post a thread. I never said that I was unaware of threadcrapping. I don't need to send a "Report this Post" (um, thanks for your suggestion benedict). It's really not that serious.

I am aware that this is public forum with persons of varying tastes, therefore, not everyone is going to agree with what is posted. I was merely pointing out that in the Music Forum a certain attitude that seems to prevail, where people feel they must defend their music choices --- at times even before anyone has questioned or crapped on that choice. I feel that there would be more traffic in this forum if it weren't for that attitude.

Nordeerforamonth, I live in an urban city. The major radio stations play here R&B and hip-hop if you were to look at my demographic that's what you would expect I would listen to instead of alternative, country, rock etc.

I made a suggestion that I thought would bring more people and posts to Music. No one agrees, fine.

Just report thread craps to the moderator as the others suggested, when you get bashed or have off topic bashing posts in a thread about something mainstream. I agree it's annoying and needs to be dealt with sometimes.

Benedict is pretty good about weeding out thread craps.

My own response was to your initial post; the one that started this thread.

I don't see merit in the idea of subforums for Music Talk but I do think that anything potentially that is putting a barrier in the way of posters should be reviewed.

I don't always see every post and so Reports can be useful in that respect. There is a sticky thread [DOs and DONT's] that I refer people to and tend to use as a guideline when removing/relocating posts and/or sending out warnings.

With regard to your second post, I am not sure that I agree that Music Talk is unpopular. ;) But maybe that is because I also moderate Book Talk....

I get your point. My suggestion was based on the view that there are some pop/mainstream lovers that were holding back due to the "vibe" I perceived in Music. Instead of creating a thread about Hilary Duff under the title of Guilty Pleasures, or making some "excuse" for liking Josh Groban there would be a forum where one could feel more free to post and would get more serious replies.

However, since there wasn't a flood of reponses in agreement..."Yes, create our haven!" then I'm obviously alone in my feelings.

I felt the need to clarify my position, as one who is not ashamed what I listen to, nor afraid to post. But obviously, Talkers' music tastes run slightly different from mine, so I'm not going to post about an artist that I like, but I feel no one else does. Not for fear of threadcrapping, but for lack of persons to mingle with.

Music is necessarily unpopular, I just thought a sub-forum would make it more popular. I certainly frequent it on a daily basis. Now as far as Book..... :)

So I was wrong.

Dude, don't let that stop you. You might be surprised.

However, if it comes to it, you could always start another of these threads.

Thanks Rogue. I think I just might start doing that. (Off to create the Ace of Base appreciation thread ;) )