Actually, I skipped it because in all of my life I've never actually heard anyone say "gol" or "gol durn" except on tv or in the movies. If anyone can point me to someone who uses it here, I'm sure it would be you though! ;)

IMO, we would substitute "gosh darn" (or "gol durn", just for you) into a post because they *are* both used as mild expletives. That doesn't make them exactly equivalent to the original terms though.

Saying "I want a coke" is quite similar in thought to "I want a drink", while having enough difference to call them truely unique phrases. Maybe some people would substitute "coke" in for "drink" every time they read the phrase "I want a drink"... but many would simply accept the word "drink" and go on. :)

"Coke" is a subset of the entity "drink." Again, the analogy doesn't hold. It's a one-to-many relationship. "God damn" and "gol durn" have a one-to-one replacement relationship. "Gol durn" has no meaning in no context other than as a substituation of the phrase "God damn." It's two fabricated words with no lexical foundation of any kind other than a slurring of the words "God" and "damn."

You call it a "mild expletive." What makes this so? The derivation of the phrase is "God damn." It has no other meaning in no other context. How is one version more "mild" than the other?

das

And due to my lack of desire and ability to impose my perceptions on the rest of the world, I use the best example I can think of regarding generally acceptable norms -- what words and phrases are allowed to be said on U.S. network TV.

*sniffle*

You can't see my Red X?

Try this? http://members.tripod.com/~edcobb/gifs/gd030999.gif

das

A very nice picture saying "Image Hosted by tripod". :up:

But this is probably what you wanted it to look like...

http://www.theforumisdown.com/upload...3/gd030999.gif

I think I already explained why "gosh darn" wasn't a one-to-one, so I think you can figure out why I would say the same here. Of course, I am a bit disappointed that you haven't pointed out anywhere that phrase was ever used at DVD Talk other than in this thread. ;)


Simply put, because one involves a words that have definite meanings, and one contains words that has many or no real meanings. Remember, if *you* read one as the other, that in no way is a good measure of what *I* or anyone else reads them as. You may see one as meaning the same as the other, but not everyone does.

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Dead •<HR SIZE=1>I think I already explained why "gosh darn" wasn't a one-to-one, so I think you can figure out why I would say the same here. Of course, I am a bit disappointed that you haven't pointed out anywhere that phrase was ever used at DVD Talk other than in this thread. ;)<HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Your reason for "gosh darn" is a red herring, pointing out that "gosh" does in fact have another completely unrelated meaning. It's why you keep sidestepping the equivalent "gol durn," because "gol" does <I>not</I> have an alternate meaning, and it breaks your position. :)

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Dead •<HR SIZE=1>Simply put, because one involves a words that have definite meanings, and one contains words that has many or no real meanings. Remember, if *you* read one as the other, that in no way is a good measure of what *I* or anyone else reads them as. You may see one as meaning the same as the other, but not everyone does. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

And if this is true ... i.e. the intent is overshadowed by the words used to express that intent ... I should be able to discuss "pollywocking the President" or "snuggly-wuggling unreleased DVDs." Can I tell another forum member to "go to heck!!!" Afterall, "heck" isn't a real place, so there's nothing wrong that, right? "Go fizzlestick yourself!!!" Completely harmless. "Fizzlestick" isn't a real word, and what *you* interpret it to be is in no way a good measure of what *I* interpret it to be. Right?

Also, to say that "gosh darn" may not mean "God damn" and then replace occurrences of "God damn" with "gosh darn" is smoking both sides of the pipe. It's also disingenous as we all know gol-durn well what the fizzlesticks "gosh darn" means.

To me, it's silly that we (as a society) allow the words being used to trump the intent of those words, and even worse, attach moral superiority to one and condemn the other.

das

P.S. I was not the first person in this thread to use "gol durn" as an example. Blame <B>X</B> for that one. :)

Which is why I (and not to put words in das' mouth) and he both said we weren't arguing the policy, but we were commenting on the societal hypocrisy.

In the end it is all mental masturbation.

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Bushdog •<HR SIZE=1>In the end it is all mental masturbation. <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

:up:

Speaking of which, it appears this subject has slowed to a hault ... wanna switch sides and argue the reverse? ;)

das

Actually, unless you can point out where "gol durn" has been used besides this thread, I'd say that it's you playing with the red herring. :D

And, I'm not sidestepping anything. I'll just paste in what I said before so you can see that the same reasoning applies.

From my first post -> OTOH, gosh doesn't have one meaning... it's more along the lines of "whoo hoo" and doesn't hardly have a meaning at all.

From my second post -> ...I do not automatically read "gosh" as being "God" when I see "gosh darn". Like you said, many words have different meanings. God is pretty limited and gosh is much less so and what I, or anyone else sees, when they read "gosh darn" isn't necessarily what you see.

Lather, rinse, repeat. :)



All decisions on posts perceived to contain illegal content or personal attacks are made based on the opinion of the moderators. We decide what we feel about both the form and the intent. So, while you are absolutely correct that you and I may interpret the words and/or the intent differently, it only matters how I (or another mod/admin) interpret them. :D


Nope, replacing these is clearly not "smoking both sides of the pipe". I've stated before that "gosh darn" is used as a mild expletive, even though it really doesn't have a hard and fast meaning. You think it has a particular meaning, but many others do not. It's like cartoons replacing cursing with "#$*#*&!" so you have the implication of an expletive, without carrying the exact meanings of any of them. I guess you read in sometype of "curse" words for those too though. ;)


I'm not blaming anyone, just pointing out that it's never to my knowledge been used in the forums, so I see no good reason to even discuss it. :)

<BLOCKQUOTE> • Quoth Dead •<HR SIZE=1>I'm not blaming anyone, just pointing out that it's never to my knowledge been used in the forums, so I see no good reason to even discuss it. :) <HR SIZE=1></BLOCKQUOTE>

Come on ... blame <B>X</B> ... you know you want to. Say it with me ... "it's <B>X</B>'s fault I'm in this completely meaningless argument with <B>das</B>." Doesn't that feel better? :)

das

Gol durn it! Blame me, will you?

http://store4.yimg.com/I/cupidshut_1733_175026576

... like lookin' in a mirror.

das

This thread fizzlestickin' sucks.

Hey, I've got your fizzlesticks right here buddy...


http://www.xenotropic.net/images/Mum...nes213_med.jpg

Is this thing still going on?

I'm so anxious to use the term, "smoking both ends of the pipe," but I don't frequent mature...