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sm8680 04-19-01 12:51 PM

You make the call. DVD Talk Member Edstein made a good point in this thread http://www.dvdtalk.com/forum/showthr...3&pagenumber=3

"If padding is such a concern, why not remove post counts all together. They are meaningless. Continue with the descriptions and levels as they are but, the post counts should go."

Personally I think that post counts not only take up over head from a Techies perspective but more importantly create the over used and totally non productive term as padding. The internet is full of information that is not important. So in essence of killing redundancies and useless posts for the sake of running up ones post counts. I for one would have to say kill the post counts. Like who cares how many times someone posted in this forum. I for one try to avoid padding or reading a subject matter where people just pad to pad.

What do you think live or let die?

[Edited by sm8680 on 04-19-01 at 09:53 AM]

SnoopDogg 04-19-01 12:53 PM

This topic has been discussed before over and over. Although you will probably get more response in the FEEDBACK forum ;)

Kevin H 04-19-01 12:54 PM

Well, I don't think we should do away with post counts. I think they're fun to look at, both at my own and at other people's. Padding can get ridiculous, but on the whole, I think it's fun (I try not to have blatant pads, but I have been known to post without always having a great point..)

SubZero 04-19-01 01:08 PM

Kill em! Post counts are ridiculous and we could cut out have of the trash here. Most good topics disappear into oblivion because so much garbage pushes them off the first page, which most people probably don't go past. It's amazing to me how important people's counts are to them. It's like a status symbol to those who seem to have no life outside of a talk forum. Since those people seem to have a need to be "known" here, then do it by adding good insight to threads rather than having 10k of worthless posts.
Jon

Dr. Dean 04-19-01 01:19 PM

People with low counts just have count envy and want them killed so they don't feel inadiquate (Wish I could spell)

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edstein 04-19-01 01:39 PM


Originally posted by SnoopDogg
This topic has been discussed before over and over. Although you will probably get more response in the FEEDBACK forum ;)
I agree the feedback forum is the best place for this type of discussion however, it seems that the "Other Forum" is the root of the current problems. I have not seen a lot of "padding" in any of the other forums. IMO the word association threads should go as well. If padding is not allowed, then lets be consistent.

Jackskeleton 04-19-01 01:56 PM

Imagen what effect this topic has on me. :p

Jason 04-19-01 02:12 PM

Post counts are handy sometimes, especially when a person with a post count of 1 or 2 starts a lot of crap or posts crazy "bargains" which turn out to be referral links. Also, I'd feel much more comfortable trading or buying/selling DVDs with someone who is an active member of the DVDTalk community. It's not a guarantee, but it gives you a little more confidence in the process.

On the other hand, post counts do lead to a lot of padding and "MY 132 POST!!!!!!!!!" posts. That's somthing we can probably all live with less of. This isn't to say that true milestones shouldn't be noticed.

I like the mentor, addict, etc. labels. Maybe we need one like "junior member" that would last for 40-50 posts. Macaddict has junior member status, but it's only for one post, and I really fail to see the point in that.

I think this is worth discussing here in the most padded forum instead of just the feedback section because it will affect a lot of people who probably never go there.

J

sfsdfd 04-19-01 02:16 PM


Originally posted by Jason
Post counts are handy sometimes, especially when a person with a post count of 1 or 2 starts a lot of crap or posts crazy "bargains" which turn out to be referral links.
I agree. But a simple, "new user" (100 posts or less) vs. "regular member" classification displayed in lieu of post counts would serve the same purpose while diminishing padding.

- David Stein

TheyCallHimJim 04-19-01 03:05 PM

Ah yes, time for the monthly "Banish Post Counts!" thread...

I'm firmly in the "No Post Counts!" camp, or at least in favour of removing them from the forum pages (still having them available in the member profiles.) But the ideas been brought up so many times that if Geoff was gonna pick it up, he would have by now.

The forums just ain't what they used to be, and I don;t doubt for a split second that the unprecedented amount of padding that now takes place is the major factor behind this. Add to this a vast influx of new members who feel the need to "catch up" as it were, and quality goes out the window in favour of quantity.

And people wonder why so many of the "old timers" don't post so much anymore...

Bushdog 04-19-01 03:17 PM


Originally posted by TheyCallHimJim
. . .
And people wonder why so many of the "old timers" don't post so much anymore...

Post counts may be a reason, but I don't think that is it. It is pretty well understood in the world of online membership that most people have a finite 'lifetime' on your site. Mony of the oldtimers who no longer post have just reached the end of their DVDTalk lifetime.

[Edited by Bushdog on 04-19-01 at 12:24 PM]

elektra 04-19-01 03:22 PM

I still think that padding would be around no matter what. Leave the counts alone. People would then pad to reach a certain "status" by obtaining a label vs. count. I think some people just like to hear themselves post.

DVDerek 04-19-01 03:28 PM

Right On
 

Originally posted by Jason
Post counts are handy sometimes, especially when a person with a post count of 1 or 2 starts a lot of crap or posts crazy "bargains" which turn out to be referral links. Also, I'd feel much more comfortable trading or buying/selling DVDs with someone who is an active member of the DVDTalk community. It's not a guarantee, but it gives you a little more confidence in the process.
I agree. I am a new member, and when you see someone promoting a deal or talking smack about a bad transfer on a DVD it has more weight to it when that person is a well established member of the community.

Granted, a lot of posts doesn't make you brilliant, but it gives us something to base on.

Josh H 04-19-01 04:00 PM


Originally posted by Dr. Dean
People with low counts just have count envy and want them killed so they don't feel inadiquate (Wish I could spell)

I have a fairly high post count, and I would like to see post counts removed. I could care less about mine, I don't pad, and it would get rid of some of the banal threads in other. If Geoff wants to crack down on blatant pads, which he said he did, getting rid of post counts is the obvious place to start.

Josh H 04-19-01 04:02 PM

Re: Right On
 

Originally posted by DVDerek

I agree. I am a new member, and when you see someone promoting a deal or talking smack about a bad transfer on a DVD it has more weight to it when that person is a well established member of the community.

Granted, a lot of posts doesn't make you brilliant, but it gives us something to base on.

You could look at their date joined. If someones been here since 1999 or early 2000 they are more than likely a "well established member of the community."

Spicollidriver1 04-19-01 04:11 PM

Maybe they shouldn't be in plain view, like you should have to click on a profile to see how many. Anandtech does that, and they become less important except for a few people that post a hundred times a day. Then only people who are curious looks at the count. And one might be less likely to pad because less people are looking.

sfsdfd 04-19-01 04:43 PM


Originally posted by elektra
I still think that padding would be around no matter what. Leave the counts alone. People would then pad to reach a certain "status" by obtaining a label vs. count. I think some people just like to hear themselves post.
Ah, but these "status markers" are just further encouragement. What sets a "DVD Talk Evangelist" apart from a "DVD Talk Hall of Famer" or a "DVD Talk Legend"? It's just the post count. These labels only <i>further</i> encourage padding (and elitism among long-time members, I think.)

Get rid of post counts and labels. The only relevant labels should be "DVD Talk Newcomer" (say, 0-50) and "DVD Talk Regular" (51+ or something.) Anything above that shouldn't be counted and shouldn't be displayed.

But people have been proposing this forever. The only reason - the <i>only</i> reason - I can think that nothing's been <i>even temporarily tried</i> is because more padding and more posts = more page hits = more advertising money. That, in all honesty, is the <i>only</i> reason I can imagine for <i>not even trying, even temporarily,</i> an alternative.

- David Stein

BoatDrinks 04-20-01 02:42 AM

hitting one's head against a wall...
 
Post counts... lose them. With all due respect to Bushdog, post counts are a major reason why many regulars are not around as much anymore.

I've had e-mail correspondence with several so-called "Old timers" who have all said that the glut of "padding" threads keeps them away.

This whole problem could be solved so easily: simply give new members a "new member" title until they reach 100 posts. This would solve Jason's issue.

Everyone after 100 posts is the same - nothing. No labels, no names, nothing. Perhaps not as fun, but surely this place (and especially the Other Forum) would get back to it's heyday of the Fall '99 to Summer '00, when these pad threads were nearly nonexistent.

I think Geoff's original idea was great. And his "titles" was good thought as well. However, the few members here who are so consumed by this crap have basically lowered the quality of this site for the majority of other members. I know there are some who would say "Just skip the banal threads." But I feel like why should the members who want to post for reasons other than Counts have to be the ones who suffer?

BoatDrinks 04-20-01 02:43 AM


Originally posted by sfsdfd

But people have been proposing this forever. The only reason - the <i>only</i> reason - I can think that nothing's been <i>even temporarily tried</i> is because more padding and more posts = more page hits = more advertising money. That, in all honesty, is the <i>only</i> reason I can imagine for <i>not even trying, even temporarily,</i> an alternative.
- David Stein

DS, I fear you are so right. :(

Master J 04-20-01 03:01 AM

Re: hitting one's head against a wall...
 

Originally posted by BoatDrinks
Post counts... lose them. With all due respect to Bushdog, post counts are a major reason why many regulars are not around as much anymore.

I've had e-mail correspondence with several so-called "Old timers" who have all said that the glut of "padding" threads keeps them away.

This whole problem could be solved so easily: simply give new members a "new member" title until they reach 100 posts. This would solve Jason's issue.

Everyone after 100 posts is the same - nothing. No labels, no names, nothing. Perhaps not as fun, but surely this place (and especially the Other Forum) would get back to it's heyday of the Fall '99 to Summer '00, when these pad threads were nearly nonexistent.

I think Geoff's original idea was great. And his "titles" was good thought as well. However, the few members here who are so consumed by this crap have basically lowered the quality of this site for the majority of other members. I know there are some who would say "Just skip the banal threads." But I feel like why should the members who want to post for reasons other than Counts have to be the ones who suffer?

Very good point. The quality of this site has gone down a whole lot since the early days. The sense of community has disappeared to some extent, and there are many more flat out useless posts. Personally, I find I have started to go to some other DVD related sites other than staying solely on DVD talk like I once did. Many times the quality of posts is lacking here, or it is people just beating the same drum over and over with similar threads.

I do not know if there is a solution at this point, but doing away with post counts may be a good starting point. It may serve as an impetus for members to establish themselves and gain recognition through the quality of their posts, not just the quantity. It is tough to say, but maybe Geoff should experiment with no post counts on a trial basis to gauge if traffic would take a hit or would stay relatively the same. If anything it may weed out members who's primary goal is padding/post counts and increase the ration of useless vs. quality threads.

J

Josh H 04-20-01 03:33 AM

Re: hitting one's head against a wall...
 

Originally posted by BoatDrinks
I know there are some who would say "Just skip the banal threads." But I feel like why should the members who want to post for reasons other than Counts have to be the ones who suffer?
Plus, it's tough to "just skip the banal threads" when on a good day the other forum is 75% banal threads, and on a bad day probably 85% banal threads. Personally I think the members that are primarily concerned with there post counts add nothing to the site and have no place here. Unfortunately they provide the most traffic and the most ad money. I guess it's a no win situation for us.

Sonic 04-20-01 03:39 AM

I vote for remove post counts. I posted quality threads and no padding, and I want them removed. It makes no difference to me. What counts is the year. :)

Startide 04-20-01 11:45 AM

I would like to see post counts removed for the reason that it would have a gradually increasing beneficial result in cleaning up the padding that goes on. In trying to research background for this post, I started noticing how some people will post in forums that have nothing to do with their interests. They then post some inane banter in the threads, then move on and ABANDON the thread. So, the mechanism of grazing over, posting something that might diverge from the original topic of the thread, and then the subsequent abandoning of the thread (because they had no real interest in it) has the effect of damaging the thread. Yes, yes, I know that some people like seeing wisecracks in threads, but why not keep that in some wisecrack forum.

One alternative is to have some forums NOT increment the post count. The post count would be incremented by only selected forums. If this scoring macro is not available in the next incarnation of forum software, perhaps it could be submitted as a suggestion by Geoff and the Moderators.

Another alternative is to allow post counts only if the post fulfills the following two criteria: (1) Does not contain the sequence '[ quote ]' in it which reduces the amount of quoting to increase post size. You may further restrict this, but I don't know if you want the server to spend javascript processing time on this. (2) Contains over 8 lines of text which seems to be the averaged number of text per post (minor sample).

TMI SCENARIO:
I don't know if some people pad their posts to give themselves credibility. For example, given the short-term memory of so many people, someone could pad all the way up to 100,000 posts, and then the subsequent 500 posts be posting longer posts before making a bid to fill a missing moderator position. Everyone would just remember the most recent 500 posts, and since they were longer and more thoughtful, only the members with "institutional memory" would know (and most of those types of members seem to have left or are now silent on the matter).

-- Startide

[Edited by Startide on 04-20-01 at 08:51 AM]

Avid Fan 05-02-01 11:18 PM

i like the posts count, but its really up to the site runners to make the ultimate decision. how on earth do you get to be a dvd talk all star anyways?

TheyCallHimJim 05-03-01 02:36 AM

Why are we still harping on about this? The post counts have already gone back on the profile pages where they belong. Jeez...


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