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LJG765 08-27-19 08:42 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by LorenzoL (Post 13599244)
I'm trying to watch The Man Who Fell to Earth (1976) and Don't Look Now (1973) before they leave the Criterion Channel at the end of the month.

Obviously they won't be counted for the challenge but I wanted to ask: Does anybody find boring The Man Who Fell to Earth? I'm 40 minutes into the movie and besides being in shock
Spoiler:
seeing Rip Torn penis (something that I didn't need to see
, should I stick with it? Does it get better? I find it really tedious and not really that interesting. It is my first time watching this movie.

I watched Don't Look Now long time ago so at least I'm familiar with it and look forward to watching it again.

I watched it last month for the first time and no, it didn't get better for me. Was not a fan at all, really. I'm glad I was able to check it off my "to see" list, but it was a tough one to slog through. It's not even the length, it's just weird...odd...bizarre.


Travis McClain 08-28-19 10:41 AM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by LorenzoL (Post 13599250)
Just for clarification purposes, any movie that is currently streaming in September on the Criterion Channel is eligible but movies that were on the service on previous months but they are no longer streaming are not? Is that correct?

That's...actually an interesting question! I don't recall an existing ruling on that. I can't see how this would be appreciably different from LaserDiscs that have not been issued on disc, or discs that have gone out of print. It would help if we had a reliable source of what those films are, though. Does anyone have one? I found this list on Letterboxd of the Launch Library, and I can find lists of what is currently available, but the stuff that has been added and left between launch and now would require some detective work. Thoughts, anyone?

Travis McClain 08-29-19 01:27 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
They've announced the Coming Attractions for the Criterion Channel in September. Note: The movies themselves should all go live on the 1st (and some are already active). It's just their organized spotlights that will go live on the announced dates, so if there's something in there you want to see, you don't have to wait until that date to see it.

Spoiler:
SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 1
Directed by John Schlesinger
Featuring a new introduction by Schlesinger’s nephew, cultural historian Ian Buruma
Rich human dramas and taboo-shattering cinematic landmarks from a giant who straddled both the British and American New Waves:
  • A Kind of Loving (1962)
  • Billy Liar (1963)
  • Darling (1965)
  • Midnight Cowboy (1969)
  • Sunday Bloody Sunday (1971)
  • Marathon Man (1976)
  • Honky Tonk Freeway (1981)*
  • The Falcon and the Snowman (1985)
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 2
Back to Work
This Labor Day, celebrate your hard-earned day off with three brilliant comedies that find humor in the contradictions and complications of the modern industrial workplace:
  • Modern Times (Charlie Chaplin, 1936)
  • The Man in the White Suit (Alexander Mackendrick, 1951)
  • Mon oncle (Jacques Tati, 1958)
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 3
Short + Feature: Long Roads Home
  • On the Border
  • Kaili Blues
Two rising-star Chinese filmmakers explore themes of identity and connection to one’s roots in these dreamy, hypnotic road movies.

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 4
  • A Dry White Season (Euzhan Palcy, 1989)
Criterion Collection Edition #953

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 5
Creative Marriages: Jean Cocteau and Jean Marais
Behold the lyrical, surreal dream worlds of one of the most miraculous actor-director partnerships in French cinema. This series pairs
  • Beauty and the Beast (Jean Cocteau, 1946)
  • Orpheus (Jean Cocteau, 1946).
FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 6
Double Feature: She’s Leaving Home
  • Late Spring
  • 35 Shots of Rum
These twin masterpieces see Claire Denis finding inspiration in one of Yasujiro Ozu’s most beautiful domestic dramas—each conveying profound truths with infinite subtlety and grace.

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 7
Saturday Matinee:
  • A Hard Day’s Night
Richard Lester’s raucous, anything-goes movie musical captured the moment when John, Paul, George, and Ringo officially became the idols of their generation and changed music forever.

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 8
Jailbreak!
With pulse-pounding tension and life-or-death drama, these joint-busting classics find master filmmakers putting their own thrilling spin on the art of the escape. The series features
  • Grand Illusion (Jean Renoir, 1937)
  • Brute Force (Jules Dassin, 1947)
  • Raw Deal (Anthony Mann, 1948)
  • Stalag 17 (Billy Wilder, 1953)
  • A Man Escaped (Robert Bresson, 1956)
  • Le trou (Jacques Becker, 1960)
  • Escape from New York (John Carpenter, 1981)
  • Down By Law (Jim Jarmusch, 1986).
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 9
  • David Lynch: The Art Life (Jon Nguyen, Rick Barnes, and Olivia Neergaard-Holm, 2016)
Criterion Collection Edition #895

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 10
Short + Feature: Reclaimed Images
  • Mobilize*
  • Touki Bouki
Two boundary-pushing filmmakers bring an experimental edge to these dazzling explorations of colonialism, tradition, and modernity.

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 11
  • Harlan County USA (Barbara Kopple, 1976)
Criterion Collection Edition #334

FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 13
Double Feature: Drama Queen of England
  • Oh! What a Lovely War
  • Sparrows Can’t Sing
The acclaimed film adaptation of theater director Joan Littlewood’s groundbreaking, experimental World War I musical satire, paired with her only foray into directing for film.

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 14
Saturday Matinee:
  • Pather Panchali
With resplendent photography informed by its young protagonist’s sense of discovery, Satyajit Ray’s debut is a naturalistic and poetic depiction of rural Bengali life.

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 15
Starring Laurence Olivier
Featuring a 1973 interview with Olivier
A tribute to the artist heralded as the greatest actor of his generation, who wed the gravitas of a classically trained thespian with the dashing charisma of a modern movie star throughout his inimitable career. Featuring:
  • Perfect Understanding (Cyril Gardner, 1933),
  • Fire over England (William K. Howard, 1937)
  • Wuthering Heights (William Wyler, 1939)
  • That Hamilton Woman (Alexander Korda, 1941)
  • 49th Parallel (Michael Powell, 1941)
  • Henry V (Laurence Olivier, 1944)
  • Hamlet (Laurence Olivier, 1948)
  • Richard III (Laurence Olivier, 1955)
  • The Entertainer (Tony Richardson, 1960)
  • Oh! What a Lovely War (Richard Attenborough, 1969)
  • Marathon Man (John Schlesinger, 1976)
  • War Requiem (Derek Jarman, 1989).
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 16
  • Tanner ’88 (Robert Altman, 1988)
Criterion Collection Edition #258

TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 17
Short + Feature: War-Torn Youth
  • The Chicken
  • Come and See
The ravages of war are seen through the eyes of its youngest victims in these shattering tales of children forced to grow up too soon.

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 18
  • White Material (Claire Denis, 2009)
Criterion Collection Edition #560

THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 19
Shorts for Days: Cityscapes
Featuring a new introduction by Criterion Channel programmer Penelope Bartlett
The hustle and bustle of the modern metropolis inspires a range of filmmakers in these miniature city symphonies that pulse with the rhythms and happenstance poetry of the urban landscape, including
  • À propos de Nice (Jean Vigo and Boris Kaufman, 1930)
  • N.U. (Michelangelo Antonioni, 1948)
  • Daybreak Express (D. A. Pennebaker, 1953)
  • Sunday in Peking (Chris Marker, 1956)
  • Surface Tension (Hollis Frampton, 1968)
  • The Black Balloon (Josh Safdie and Benny Safdie, 2012).
FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 20
Double Feature: Murder Most Funny
  • Kind Hearts and Coronets
  • The Ruling Class
Murder, insanity, and revenge are the macabre ingredients of these devilish black comedies, wicked send-ups of the British class system carried off with a droll, distinctively English wit.

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 21
Saturday Matinee:
  • No Greater Glory
One of the unsung masterpieces of 1930s cinema, Frank Borzage’s adaptation of Ferenc Molnár’s novel The Paul Street Boys is one of the greatest and most powerful antiwar films ever made.

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 22
Rian Johnson’s Adventures in Moviegoing
The director of inventive indie hits like Looper and Brick sat down with Alicia Malone to present a lineup of time- and mind-bending favorites, including
  • La Jetée (Chris Marker, 1963)
  • 8½ (Federico Fellini, 1963)
  • World on a Wire (Rainer Werner Fassbinder, 1973)
  • F for Fake (Orson Welles, 1975)
  • Stalker (Andrei Tarkovsky, 1979)
  • Upstream Color (Shane Carruth, 2013).
TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 24
Short + Feature: Hail Mary Full of Grace?
  • Misterio
  • Viridiana
Two audacious Spanish films take a decidedly irreverent view of the Catholic faith.

WEDNESDAY, SEPTEMBER 25
Directed by Lina Wertmüller
Featuring Behind the White Glasses, a documentary portrait of Wertmüller from 2015
Get liberated with the irreverent, provocative, wickedly entertaining films of the trailblazing Italian iconoclast. The series features
  • The Seduction of Mimi (1972)
  • Love and Anarchy (1973)
  • All Screwed Up (1974)
  • Swept Away (1974)
  • Seven Beauties (1975)
  • Summer Night (1986)
  • Ferdinando and Carolina (1999).
THURSDAY, SEPTEMBER 26
Directed by Christian Petzold
Featuring a new introduction by critic Girish Shambu
Devastatingly stylish, elegantly restrained, and profoundly emotional slow-burn spellbinders from the contemporary German auteur:
  • Yella (2007)
  • Jerichow (2008)
  • Barbara (2012)
  • Phoenix (2014)
FRIDAY, SEPTEMBER 27
Double Feature: Phantom Worlds
  • Yella
  • Carnival of Souls
Chilling tales of existential dread and spectral mystery in Herk Harvey’s legendary surrealist nightmare and Christian Petzold’s loose modern remake

SATURDAY, SEPTEMBER 28
  • The Circus (Charles Chaplin, 1928)
Criterion Collection Edition #996

SUNDAY, SEPTEMBER 29
The Complete Jean-Pierre Melville
Featuring a profile of Meville from the series Cinéastes de notre temps
Ice-cool noirs and piercing dramas from the trench-coat-sporting, sunglasses-wearing, chain-smoking maverick. This career-spanning retrospective features
  • 24 Hours in the Life of a Clown (1946)
  • Le silence de la mer (1949)
  • Les enfants terribles (1950)
  • When You Read This Letter (1953)*
  • Bob le flambeur (1956)
  • Two Men in Manhattan (1959)
  • Leon Morin, Priest (1961)
  • Le doulos (1962)
  • Magnet of Doom (1963)
  • Le deuxième souffle (1966)
  • Le samouraï (1967)
  • Army of Shadows (1969)
  • Le cercle rouge (1970)
  • Un flic (1972)
MONDAY, SEPTEMBER 30
Observations on Film Art #31: Comedy, Suspense, and Three-Point Lighting in To Be or Not To Be
Professor Kristin Thompson explores how Ernst Lubitsch and cinematographer Rudolph Maté make sophisticated use of lighting to mark the film’s daring shifts in in tone and genre.

LorenzoL 09-01-19 12:29 AM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13599504)
That's...actually an interesting question! I don't recall an existing ruling on that. I can't see how this would be appreciably different from LaserDiscs that have not been issued on disc, or discs that have gone out of print. It would help if we had a reliable source of what those films are, though. Does anyone have one? I found this list on Letterboxd of the Launch Library, and I can find lists of what is currently available, but the stuff that has been added and left between launch and now would require some detective work. Thoughts, anyone?

This is what I gathered from the different threads in Reddit and I'll link the Reddit thread that has a spreadsheet with all of the movies in the service defaulted to the expiring movies first.


Leaving end of April 2019

The Killing of a Chinese Bookie (John Cassevetes, 1976 and 1978)

Leaving end of May 2019

Opening Night
Blood Simple
The Elephant Man

Leaving end of June 2019

The Columbia Noir Collection (Human Desire, The Big Heat, Experiment in Terror, My Name is Julia Ross, Murder by Contract, The Lineup, Drive a Crooked Road, Nightfall, Pushover, So Dark the Night, The Burglar)

Mulholland Dr. (David Lynch, 2001)

Paths of Glory (Stanley Kubrick, 1957)

Hedwig and the Angry Inch (John Cameron Mitchell, 2001) (very limited preview before the physical release)

Buena Vista Social Club (Wim Wenders, 1999)

Mildred Pierce (Michael Curtiz, 1945)

Ace in the Hole (Billy Wilder, 1951)

The Virgin Suicides (Sofia Coppola, 1999)

To Sleep with Anger (Charles Burnett, 1990)

Jubal (Delmer Davies, 1956)

Baby Face (Alfred E. Green, 1933)

Bugsy Malone (Alan Parker, 1976)

Hollywood Shuffle (Robert Townsend, 1987)

In a Better World (Susianne Bier, 2010)

Leaving end of July 2019

A Woman's Face (George Cukor, 1941)

Bob & Carol & Ted & Alice (Paul Mazursky, 1969)

Bottle Rocket (Wes Anderson, 1996)

Camille (George Cukor, 1936)

Dinner at Eight (George Cukor, 1933)

Easy Rider (Dennis Hopper, 1969)

Gaslight (George Cukor, 1944)

Girlfriends (Claudia Weill, 1978)

Little Women (George Cukor, 1933)

Midnight Cowboy (John Schlesinger, 1969)

Moonrise (Frank Borzage, 1948)

Mother (Albert Brooks, 1996)

Our Betters (George Cukor, 1933)

Robin and Marion (Richard Lester, 1976)

Sylvia Scarlett (George Cukor, 1935)

The Last Emperor (Bernardo Bertolucci, 1987)

The Night of the Hunter (Charles Laughton, 1955)

The Women (George Cukor, 1939)

Two-Faced Woman (George Cukor, 1941)

Uptight (Jules Dassin, 1968)

What Price Hollywood? (George Cukor, 1932)

White Heat (Raoul Walsh, 1949)


Leaving at end of August 2019

Akira Kurosawa's Dreams (Akira Kurosawa, 1990)

Christopher Strong (Dorothy Arzner, 1933)

Craig's Wife (Dorothy Arzner, 1936)

Damn the Defiant! (Lewis Gilbert, 1962)

Dance, Girl, Dance (Dorothy Arzner, 1940)

Don't Look Now (Nicholas Roeg, 1973)

My Beautiful Laundrette (Stephen Frears, 1985)

Our Man in Havana (Carol Reed, 1959)

Performance (Donald Cammell & Nicholas Roeg, 1970)

Ran (Akira Kurosawa, 1985)

Scanners (David Cronenberg, 1981)

Something Wild (Jack Garfein, 1961)

The Card (Ronald Neame, 1952)

The Man Who Fell to Earth (Nicholas Roeg, 1976)

The Prisoner (Peter Glenville, 1955)

The Scapegoat (Robert Hamer, 1959)

Bad Education (Pedro Almodovar)

The Skin I Live In (Pedro Almodovar)

All About My Mother (Pedro Almodovar)

Volver (Pedro Almodovar)

Swing Time

Women on the Verge of a Nervous Breakdown


Leaving at end of September 2019

A Room with a View (James Ivory, 1985)

Adua and Her Friends (Antonio Pietrangeli, 1960)

After the Wedding (Susanne Bier, 2006)

Hoop Dreams (Steve James, 1994)

Kaili Blues (Bi Gan, 2015)

Nights of Cabiria (Federico Fellini, 1957)

Othello (Orson Welles, 1952)

Quiet as Kept (Charles Burnett, 2007)

Rocco and His Brothers (Luchino Visconti, 1960)

Room at the Top (Jack Clayton, 1959)

Several Friends (Charles Burnett, 1969)

Sightseers (Ben Wheatley, 2012)

The Final Insult (Charles Burnett, 1997)

The Horse (Charles Burnett, 1973)

The Widow Couderc (Pierre Granier-Deferre, 1971)

When it Rains (Charles Burnett, 1995)


Leaving at end of October 2019

Archipelago (Joanna Hogg, 2010)

Claire's Camera (Hong Sang-soo, 2017)

Daddy Longlegs (Safdie Brothers, 2009)

Exhibition (Joanna Hogg, 2013)

I Killed My Mother (Xavier Doland, 2009)

Kaos (Tavania Brothers, 1984)

Meek's Cutoff (Kelly Reichardt, 2010)

On the Beach at Night Alone (Hong Sang-soo, 2017)

Padre Padrone (Tavania Brothers, 1977)

River of Grass (Kelly Reichardt, 1994)

The Day He Arrives (Hong Sang-soo, 2011)

The Fallen Idol (Carol Reed, 1948)

The Night of Shooting Stars (Tavania Brothers, 1982)

The Pleasure of Being Robbed (Josh Safdie, 2008)

The Shooting (Monte Hellman, 1966)

The Third Man (Carol Reed, 1949)

Time Bandits (Terry Gilliam, 1981)

Unrelated (Joanna Hogg, 2007)

Wendy and Lucy (Kelly Reichardt, 2008)


Leaving at end of November 2019

The Love Witch (Anna Biller, 2016) (LEAVES NOVEMBER 7TH)

Viva (Anna Biller, 2007) (LEAVE NOVEMBER 7TH)

Battle in Heaven (Carles Reygadas, 2005)

Cemetary of Splendor (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2015)

Kind Hearts and Coronets (Robert Hamer, 1949)

Marwencol (Jeff Malmberg, 2010)

Silent Light (Carlos Reygadas, 2007)

Suburbia (Penelope Spheeris, 1983)

Syndromes and a Century (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2006)

The Captain's Paradise (Anthony Kimmins, 1953)

The Decline of Western Civilization (Penelope Spheeris, 1981)

The Decline of Western Civilization Part II: The Metal Years (Penelope Spheeris, 1988)

The Decline of Western Civilization Part III (Penelope Spheeris, 1998)

The Hours and Times (Christopher Munch, 1991)

The Lavender Hill Mob (Charles Crichton, 1951)

The Life and Adventures of Nicholas Nickleby (Alberto Cavalcanti, 1947)

The Maids (Christopher Miles, 1975)

The Man in the White Suit (Alexander Mackendrick, 1951)

The Plague Dogs (Martin Rosen, 1982)

The Tales of Beatrix Potter (Reginald Mills, 1971)

The Wicker Man (Robin Hardy, 1973)

Tropical Malady (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2004)

Uncle Boonmee Who Can Recall His Past Lives (Apichatpong Weerasethakul, 2010)

Yeelen (Souleymane Cissé, 1987)
https://www.reddit.com/r/criterion/c...a_spreadsheet/

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets...#gid=740795620

Travis McClain 09-01-19 07:42 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
Looks good to me, LorenzoL! I'll add that spreadsheet URL to the overview.

I made it out to the theater for Lawrence of Arabia this afternoon (LaserDisc #078). It's one of my all-time faves and God knows there's been more than enough written and said about it over the years and I don't have anything original to add to any of it. I'll simply make note that my new favorite thing about it is this camel mugging for the camera:

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shadokitty 09-01-19 08:05 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
I was on the fence about whether I was going to participate, but I decided that I might try it. I signed up for the free trial on the Criterion Channel today, and I have a good selection of eligible movies on DVD.

Travis McClain 09-01-19 08:16 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
Incidentally, I'm later getting this together than I wanted, but here's My Criterion Top 10 List. There are notes there, but for anyone just interested in the movies:
  1. 12 Angry Men
  2. Persona
  3. The Princess Bride
  4. Bull Durham
  5. The Third Man
  6. Ghost World
  7. 45 Years
  8. The Phantom Carriage
  9. M
  10. Il Sorpasso
I could easily have just gone with ten Ingmar Bergman movies, but restricted myself to Persona. I also restricted myself to the Collection proper, excluding LaserDisc and streaming selections.

Travis McClain 09-01-19 08:28 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by shadokitty (Post 13601720)
I was on the fence about whether I was going to participate, but I decided that I might try it. I signed up for the free trial on the Criterion Channel today, and I have a good selection of eligible movies on DVD.

Always glad to have you in a challenge, shadokitty! As I recall, you're really into Japanese cinema. I've recently seen and enjoyed a few:
  • Black Lizard
  • Ironfinger
  • Samurai Spy
  • Tampopo
Ironfinger and Samurai Spy are both in the "Spy Games" Collection, which I greatly enjoyed overall. The former has a sequel, Golden Eyes, which I found disappointing, but others may dig. There are also several Godzilla movies, which I think I remember you digging? Whatever you end up picking, I'm sure we look forward to hearing your thoughts!

Dr. Mantle 09-02-19 11:20 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
Pulp Fiction is playing at some Regal theaters this week. It works for the "not released on dvd" challenge.

popcorn 09-03-19 08:01 AM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
This is the first year that I'm not focusing on the checklist. As my collection starts to grow, I'm taking the opportunity to watch some of the supplements on the disc as well. I spent almost six hours on the Do The Right Thing Blu-ray the other night! Besides the high quality transfers, these additional features are what make Criterions stand out to me.

Travis McClain 09-04-19 06:14 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by popcorn (Post 13602408)
This is the first year that I'm not focusing on the checklist. As my collection starts to grow, I'm taking the opportunity to watch some of the supplements on the disc as well. I spent almost six hours on the Do The Right Thing Blu-ray the other night! Besides the high quality transfers, these additional features are what make Criterions stand out to me.

Oh, absolutely! Whenever I participate in this challenge, I gorge on the supplements before moving on to the next movie, unless I'm really close to finishing the checklist and running out of time. This year's challenge is pretty daunting for me, 'cause I've got a decent size backlog of unwatched discs and there are gobs of supplements. I'll be stunned if I get through them all, but that's alright.

Travis McClain 09-04-19 10:30 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
I just slogged through Armageddon (Spine #40), which I hadn't seen since it opened in theaters 21 years ago. The visual effects hold up surprisingly well, and Peter Stormare is great as the cantankerous cosmonaut Lev. I think that's the extent of praise I have for the movie. Odd as it may sound, even though it runs 153 minutes, a key problem I have with it is that it doesn't take its time when it should. In-story, pretty much none of the things that happen could happen in the time allotted. But even just as a piece of storytelling, Michael Bay never pauses for a beat to let a punch line set in, or give dread a chance to build. The pace is too impatient for any of that, and consequently, the tone is homogeneous throughout, and any personality that may have been on the page is smothered.

Can't wait to sit through the two commentaries. -_- At least I'm told Ben Affleck razzes the movie throughout one of them.

mrcellophane 09-06-19 03:55 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
I'm had a good start to the month, utilizing my Criterion Channel subscription and watching a few from my unwatched pile. Last night, I opened my Ingmar Bergman's Cinema set and watched Smiles of a Summer Night. The set is organized as if you are at a Bergman retrospective which is cool (but I'll probably watch a few out of order since I want to rewatch Shame and The Passion of Anna).

shadokitty 09-06-19 05:25 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
I haven’t watched it yet, but I saw that Rosemary’s Baby was on one of the Epix channels, so I set my DVR and recorded it. A horror movie seems like it will be a good way to start off my Challenge viewing, given that myself and many of my friends are looking forward to Halloween now that summer is over.

Travis McClain 09-08-19 10:36 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
Y'all, Armageddon ain't in The Criterion Collection. Ben Affleck's commentary remarks for Armageddon are in The Criterion Collection, and the movie is just a supplement. I had heard it was delightful, and they were right. It's a cut-together commentary track featuring director Michael Bay, producer Jerry Bruckheimer, and actors Bruce Willis and Ben Affleck. I wish they had just presented Affleck solo, because his riffing on the stupidity of the movie is fantastic. He breaks into Sling Blade talk whenever Billy Bob Thornton appears, and at some point even proposes that it's the same character, and he's just somehow fooled NASA into letting him run things, and it may be my favorite fan theory about anything I've heard all year.

It was also interesting to hear Bay talk about how he lectured the CGI artists about how important it was for him to be able to follow the action and have a clear sense of spatial relationships, and to wonder what Armageddon Michael Bay would think about Transformers Michael Bay. The late Jerry Bruckheimer's comments are of the predictable "Michael is so good at what he does, this was not an easy shoot" variety, and Bruce Willis... Honestly, I've already forgotten anything he had to say. He didn't appear much.

There's a second commentary track featuring director of photography John Schwartzman, NASA consultant Dr. Joe Allen, and asteroid consultant Ivan Bekey. I wish they'd swapped Schwartzman with Affleck, because the two scientists frequently say things like, "I told them this was unrealistic but they did it anyway". Somehow, they refrain from sounding exasperated while watching the movie they gave input for completely disregard that input. But it was kind of chilling to hear that, at least as of 20 years ago, we didn't really have anyone even watching for more than around 2% of asteroids because of lack of funding and moreover, we didn't even have a contingency plan in place "because nobody want[ed] the responsibility"! Which means that this stupid movie actually represents more of a blueprint for dealing with a "global killer" asteroid than anything that any actual agencies had. That was kinda sobering.

The rest of the supplements are on Disc Two, and unfortunately, there isn't much here to write home about. Michael Bay's Gag Reel is a bit amusing, if you're into gag reels. I like the idea of them, but they always end up feeling like hearing just the punchline to someone else's inside joke. There are Deleted Scenes; storyboard sequences; three mind numbing interviews with different visual effects artists who use the word "render" so much that it would be a fatal drinking game; another interview with the production designer that's okay but not enlightening; trailers and such; and, of course, the music video to Aerosmith's "I Don't Want to Miss a Thing". I can see how these passed for supplements in 1999 for a popcorn movie, but they feel sub-par for Criterion.

Lastly, there's an essay in the booklet by Jeanine Basinger trying to sell us on Bay as an ahead-of-his-time storyteller (he may be) and Armageddon as "misunderstood" by its detractors (it wasn't). I believe that she believed it, but she fell short of making me believe it, too.

At least I got several checks out of all this.

mrcellophane 09-09-19 09:11 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
^^^ I've heard that the Armageddon commentary is worth checking out for the reasons you state. I haven't watched the movie in years and never really cared for it, but it was in heavy rotation at our house after my brother got the Criterion DVD. At that point, no one in my family knew that it was a niche distributor (or even that such a thing as a niche distributor was a thing). At the time, my brother and I engaged in the heated Armageddon vs. Deep Impact debate on opposite sides. (I still think I was on the right one!)

Undeadcow 09-09-19 09:19 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
Watched Merchant of Four Seasons last night and felt it was kind of 'meh,' it was a nicely melancholy tale from Fassbender with some development that made sense thematically but on a surface plot level felt a little random. I remember being more impressed with Ali: Fear Eats the Soul; maybe I wasn't in the mood for the melodrama of it.

Rushmore was fun, Wes Anderson knows how to do kooky.

Travis McClain 09-10-19 12:57 AM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by mrcellophane (Post 13605632)
^^^ I've heard that the Armageddon commentary is worth checking out for the reasons you state. I haven't watched the movie in years and never really cared for it, but it was in heavy rotation at our house after my brother got the Criterion DVD. At that point, no one in my family knew that it was a niche distributor (or even that such a thing as a niche distributor was a thing). At the time, my brother and I engaged in the heated Armageddon vs. Deep Impact debate on opposite sides. (I still think I was on the right one!)

There are some discussions about Deep Impact. Bay says they didn't view one another as rivals, because they were doing something so different from one another despite starting from a similar presence. They even invited him to attend its premiere, apparently. One thing he talked about was how he hates movie presidents (the only one he liked was Harrison Ford), so he kept the president in Armageddon to a minimum, whereas of course Morgan Freeman was a big part of Deep Impact as its president. But that underscores a key difference; Bay's film, we're told repeatedly throughout all the supplements, was made for middle America, with a workin' class hero gettin' it done because all the muckety mucks are too incompetent. In her accompanying essay, Jeanine Basinger likens Armageddon to old Warner Bros. pictures in that way. If they could have made this movie, with all of its 1998 production values but with a comparably aged Bogey in the Bruce Willis role, it might have been one of the greatest works of cinema ever.

Travis McClain 09-10-19 01:10 AM

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I finally revisited Certified Copy, which I fell in love with when I first saw it six years ago. I could spend two hours just alternately looking at Juliette Binoche fighting back a tear and staring at William Shimell's exquisitely sculpted hair. I love strolling through Tuscany with them, taking it all in without spending any real time on any of it. I find the whole thing mesmerizing in a way few other movies have been for me. Its plot twists, such as they are, are often so subtle that it's only in hindsight that they took place at all. Are they just being coy with one another in the beginning, role playing that they're strangers? Or is this some kind of alternate universe thing, where each segment shows us the same people under slightly different circumstances? Does James not know how to speak Italian (as he admits to in the coffee shop) or does he (as he angrily snaps at the staff in the restaurant)? There are a lot of little threads that can be pulled, and I love that.

Travis McClain 09-12-19 03:15 PM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 
How's everyone's challenge going so far? Found any new favorites, or learned anything new about an old one? For those doing the checklist or set personal goals, how's your progress?

davidh777 09-12-19 03:49 PM

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Armageddon doesn’t count? I haven’t seen it in 20 years and don’t recall even being tempted to watch it for the challenge, but that’s still news to me.

mrcellophane 09-12-19 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13607118)
How's everyone's challenge going so far? Found any new favorites, or learned anything new about an old one? For those doing the checklist or set personal goals, how's your progress?

I'm on track to finish the checklist. However, I've got way more activities planned for the latter part of the month, so I may not get every check. I've started watching my Ingmar Bergman's Cinema set, and the two films I've seen look amazing. The Crisis BD is much better than the Eclipse DVD.

As for new favorites, I've been working my way through The Golden Age of Television box set and loving it. The live teleplays of the 1950s are oddly compelling and nerve-racking - even though almost everyone in front and behind the camera is dead. I find myself anxiously hoping that no one seriously flubs a line or experiences a tech failure. I've watched five of the eight included films so far, and my favorite is The Comedian, a drama about a tyrannical comedian browbeating and manipulating his staff and brother on the eve of a huge live-action broadcast. Andy Rooney plays the tyrant with jovial meanness. I borrowed the set from the library to watch the teleplay of Bang the Drum Slowly which starred Paul Newman, one of my favorite actors, and was surprised at how much I enjoyed the whole experience. I suppose I shouldn't have been surprised since I love 50s television. (I mean I once had a DVD of old half-hour Westinghouse commercials that Lucille Ball did in the 50s.)

Travis McClain 09-12-19 05:00 PM

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Originally Posted by davidh777 (Post 13607133)
Armageddon doesn’t count? I haven’t seen it in 20 years and don’t recall even being tempted to watch it for the challenge, but that’s still news to me.

Yep, it's spine #40, and also had a LaserDisc release. If you're referring to my remark that the movie isn't in the Collection but its commentary tracks are, I was just being flippant.

shadokitty 09-12-19 08:03 PM

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Hoping to have more time this weekend since I’m home alone, but I enjoyed Rosemary’s Baby. Creepy movie and good for my favorite holiday of the year.

davidh777 09-12-19 08:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13607170)
Yep, it's spine #40, and also had a LaserDisc release. If you're referring to my remark that the movie isn't in the Collection but its commentary tracks are, I was just being flippant.

Oh good. I still won’t watch it, but I could if I wanted. :)

Travis McClain 09-15-19 12:51 AM

Re: 2019 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
 

Originally Posted by davidh777 (Post 13607268)


Oh good. I still won’t watch it, but I could if I wanted. :)

Just watch with the commentary track that includes Ben Affleck. Speaking of whom, it was either Michael Bay or Jerry Bruckheimer who shared that they spent $20k to "fix" Affleck's teeth because they weren't sufficient for a movie star. Whichever one it was shared that another movie had spent about that for someone else's teeth. I forget who. So I guess if you want your chompers fixed and can't afford it, become a movie star!

Travis McClain 09-15-19 08:43 PM

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Well, folks, we're at the halfway point. How's it shaking out for everyone? What have you got left that you want to get to before the end of the challenge?

I personally am way behind. I've lost several days at a time due to other time consuming things and some "blah" level health. I have twelve discs remaining in my backlog. It's doable, but only if I can really commit to it. If I was only watching the movies, it'd be a breeze. But I figure the supplements are probably one-and-done viewings, and I may as well do them while I'm watching the movies, too. Doing that has always felt like the spirit of the challenge to me, anyway.

LJG765 09-15-19 08:50 PM

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I have to admit, I haven't started yet and may not. After 2 months of hosting, I'm a bit movie'd out and enjoying my break and catching up on TV.

Though, I was just watching Criminal Minds, season 1, and felt the need to watch The Princess Bride soon. (Mandy Patinkin is in the first season only.) I picked that one up, last year? the year before? when Criterion re-released it. It's one of my top 3 movies of all time and certainly deserved the Criterion treatment. The packaging is very nice. A fabric covered book of the essays and the disc is in the back cover. I know I watched everything when I picked the film up, but honestly can't remember all that is on the disc. There's quite a bit of content for for the film, even if you go outside of this edition, though!

Travis McClain 09-15-19 09:39 PM

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Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 13608438)
I have to admit, I haven't started yet and may not. After 2 months of hosting, I'm a bit movie'd out and enjoying my break and catching up on TV.

Though, I was just watching Criminal Minds, season 1, and felt the need to watch The Princess Bride soon. (Mandy Patinkin is in the first season only.) I picked that one up, last year? the year before? when Criterion re-released it. It's one of my top 3 movies of all time and certainly deserved the Criterion treatment. The packaging is very nice. A fabric covered book of the essays and the disc is in the back cover. I know I watched everything when I picked the film up, but honestly can't remember all that is on the disc. There's quite a bit of content for for the film, even if you go outside of this edition, though!

I totally get that burnout. I think even just participating in two consecutive challenges can be draining. In hindsight, we should have scheduled the Criterion Challenge in either July or August, or maybe November to catch forum members at their peak Criterion interest due to the annual Barnes & Noble sale. I think for a lot of us, it's exciting to get a new disc or two in July and plan on getting to them during the Criterion challenge, but by time it rolls around, we're either drained from the one-two punch of Sci-Fi/Fantasy and Animation, as you are, or they've just had the disc on their shelves long enough that it's stopped feeling important. Come to think of it, what is the November challenge? Could we swap with it? Would anyone even want to swap if we could? I know this is probably the lowest participated challenge, but it feels like a ghost town this year. (Says the guy who has only dropped by the forum for this challenge in the last three years.)

LJG765 09-15-19 09:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13608472)
I totally get that burnout. I think even just participating in two consecutive challenges can be draining. In hindsight, we should have scheduled the Criterion Challenge in either July or August, or maybe November to catch forum members at their peak Criterion interest due to the annual Barnes & Noble sale. I think for a lot of us, it's exciting to get a new disc or two in July and plan on getting to them during the Criterion challenge, but by time it rolls around, we're either drained from the one-two punch of Sci-Fi/Fantasy and Animation, as you are, or they've just had the disc on their shelves long enough that it's stopped feeling important. Come to think of it, what is the November challenge? Could we swap with it? Would anyone even want to swap if we could? I know this is probably the lowest participated challenge, but it feels like a ghost town this year. (Says the guy who has only dropped by the forum for this challenge in the last three years.)

November is comedy challenge with a hefty crossover with holiday starting on Thanksgiving (around Thanksgiving? can't remember off hand). Might be something to bring up in the Challenge Compendium thread. I'd be up for the change. A bit more serious films then can go right into mainly light hearted, feel good films.

Trevor 09-15-19 10:18 PM

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I’ve barely turned the TV on this month, way behind schedule on my checklist. One interesting thing I did watch was a first-time viewing on the infamous Heaven’s Gate. Known as one of the first huge budget box office complete failures, and reviewed by some as ‘the worst film ever made.’ Not sure how it got that designation, must have been reviewers writing based on expectations. It wasn’t bad at all. Not very good, and plodded along a bit too long before it got really going, but some decent performances and an ok plot, though apparently not very close to the actual story.

Travis McClain 09-15-19 10:40 PM

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There is a Criterion themed collection, Blue Christmases, which would give dual participants some stuff for the segue. Plus, there's no telling what they'll add to the channel in November. I don't expect a formal Christmas collection until December, but there may well be individual titles that would fit. Obviously, there are far fewer of these than there are comedies that overlap with holiday movies, but really, how many movies are any given participant watching on that one night before the handover?

Anyway, I'm about to revisit M. That'll end up being three movie viewings in all, since I'll also do the commentary and the English language version. It's one of four on my to-do list that will end up being three viewings. I know Bull Durham and The Princess Bride each have two commentaries, and The Phantom Carriage has a commentary and two different score tracks. Damn my completism complex!

LJG765 09-15-19 10:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13608493)
There is a Criterion themed collection, Blue Christmases, which would give dual participants some stuff for the segue. Plus, there's no telling what they'll add to the channel in November. I don't expect a formal Christmas collection until December, but there may well be individual titles that would fit. Obviously, there are far fewer of these than there are comedies that overlap with holiday movies, but really, how many movies are any given participant watching on that one night before the handover?

Anyway, I'm about to revisit M. That'll end up being three movie viewings in all, since I'll also do the commentary and the English language version. It's one of four on my to-do list that will end up being three viewings. I know Bull Durham and The Princess Bride each have two commentaries, and The Phantom Carriage has a commentary and two different score tracks. Damn my completism complex!

Well, I think the overlap is more like a week and a half with comedy and holiday since holiday starts with Turkey Day and comedy doesn't end until the 1st. Holiday is the longest challenge I believe going from Thanksgiving to Jan. 1st. Last year, holiday started on Nov. 17th. Not that I'm arguing against the change! Just throwing it out there.


Travis McClain 09-15-19 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 13608485)
I’ve barely turned the TV on this month, way behind schedule on my checklist. One interesting thing I did watch was a first-time viewing on the infamous Heaven’s Gate. Known as one of the first huge budget box office complete failures, and reviewed by some as ‘the worst film ever made.’ Not sure how it got that designation, must have been reviewers writing based on expectations. It wasn’t bad at all. Not very good, and plodded along a bit too long before it got really going, but some decent performances and an ok plot, though apparently not very close to the actual story.

It also came out in 1980. The standards for what constituted a bad movie were different, for critics and movie-goers alike. That year's box office top ten:
  1. The Empire Strikes Back
  2. 9 to 5
  3. Stir Crazy
  4. Airplane!
  5. Any Which Way You Can
  6. Private Benjamin
  7. Coal Miner's Daughter
  8. Smokey and the Bandit II
  9. The Blue Lagoon
  10. The Blues Brothers
Can you imagine such a landscape for movies today? 9 to 5 was second. Second! Only The Empire Strikes Back took in more money that year. That's wild.

Travis McClain 09-15-19 10:51 PM

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Originally Posted by LJG765 (Post 13608495)
Well, I think the overlap is more like a week and a half with comedy and holiday since holiday starts with Turkey Day and comedy doesn't end until the 1st. Holiday is the longest challenge I believe going from Thanksgiving to Jan. 1st. Last year, holiday started on Nov. 17th. Not that I'm arguing against the change! Just throwing it out there.

Nobody's gonna go for the swap anyway.

LJG765 09-15-19 11:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13608500)
Nobody's gonna go for the swap anyway.

Well, worth the ask at least. I really feel like challenge participation overall has gone way down. Participation in threads is lower than previous years too.

Trevor 09-16-19 08:50 AM

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Yeah, the entire forum is becoming a ghost town. Politics is the only place with any real discussion.

I’m good with possible month swaps being done, but think that overall November is perfect for Comedy. With horror being the dominant Challenge by far, Comedy in November is a nice cool down from the scares of October. And with so many holiday films and shows being Comedy, it segues into December perfectly. In fact, with horror comedy being such a huge sub-genre, and the almost two week overlap with Holiday, it’d be hard to argue that November Comedy isn't the best two cross-Challenge possibilities of any month on the calendar.

Shack 09-16-19 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13608434)
Well, folks, we're at the halfway point. How's it shaking out for everyone? What have you got left that you want to get to before the end of the challenge?

I'm on pace for my goal, but the stack of unwatched discs doesn't seem to be getting shorter... I do want to get to more commentaries, etc. so will concentrate on those this coming week.



popcorn 09-16-19 03:46 PM

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Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13607118)
How's everyone's challenge going so far? Found any new favorites, or learned anything new about an old one? For those doing the checklist or set personal goals, how's your progress?

I've revisited more previously watched stuff than anything. The coolest thing is my son has been watching them with me, seeing many of these films for the first time. So far his favorite first time watches were Breathless, Harold and Maude, and Raging Bull (laserdisc title, Blu-ray copy).

I still have the following to go through thoroughly this month:
  • The American Friend
  • The Lodger
  • My Own Private Idaho
  • Pygmalion
  • A Special Day
  • Young Mr. Lincoln
  • Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas

Originally Posted by Travis McClain (Post 13608493)
Anyway, I'm about to revisit M. That'll end up being three movie viewings in all, since I'll also do the commentary and the English language version. It's one of four on my to-do list that will end up being three viewings.

I like that idea to watch M with the commentary track. I got the Blu-ray in the B&N summer haul but I haven't opened it yet.

Travis McClain 09-16-19 04:49 PM

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Originally Posted by Trevor (Post 13608593)
Yeah, the entire forum is becoming a ghost town. Politics is the only place with any real discussion.

I’m good with possible month swaps being done, but think that overall November is perfect for Comedy. With horror being the dominant Challenge by far, Comedy in November is a nice cool down from the scares of October. And with so many holiday films and shows being Comedy, it segues into December perfectly. In fact, with horror comedy being such a huge sub-genre, and the almost two week overlap with Holiday, it’d be hard to argue that November Comedy isn't the best two cross-Challenge possibilities of any month on the calendar.

Worth noting is that there are quite a few in the Criterion Collection that are also Horror, which participants in this challenge already know from "warming up" for the Horror challenge. It is true that there aren't very man Holiday movies in the Collection, but I wonder if having two weeks to vacillate between Criterion and Holiday movies might not help stave off burnout from either. In any event, I was just brainstorming. I don't think I'll bother making the proposal elsewhere.


Originally Posted by Shack (Post 13608636)
I'm on pace for my goal, but the stack of unwatched discs doesn't seem to be getting shorter... I do want to get to more commentaries, etc. so will concentrate on those this coming week.

Good luck!


Originally Posted by popcorn (Post 13608814)
I've revisited more previously watched stuff than anything. The coolest thing is my son has been watching them with me, seeing many of these films for the first time. So far his favorite first time watches were Breathless, Harold and Maude, and Raging Bull (laserdisc title, Blu-ray copy).

I still have the following to go through thoroughly this month:
  • The American Friend
  • The Lodger
  • My Own Private Idaho
  • Pygmalion
  • A Special Day
  • Young Mr. Lincoln
  • Fear and Loathing in Las Vegas


I like that idea to watch M with the commentary track. I got the Blu-ray in the B&N summer haul but I haven't opened it yet.

That's really cool that your son has been watching them with you!


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