2018 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
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30 Days of Criterion - Discussion Thread August 31st (dusk) - October 1st (dawn) September is upon us, so it's time to actually watch those Criterion discs we bought in July during the Barnes & Noble sale and get as many viewings out of our Hulu subscriptions as we can before the Criterion Channel launches on Filmstruck later this year! CardiffGiant has done a fantastic job hosting this challenge the last several years, and here's the overview of this challenge that he's crafted: The goal of the Criterion Challenge is to watch Criterion content and share your experience with the rest of us. There is no specific number goal, no winners, no losers, no prizes. Rather than compile long lists, watch what you would normally watch in a month, but concentrate it on Criterion content as much as you can/want. In fact, bulk watching is discouraged, as that will limit your time for discussion and for immersing yourself in a film. Participants are encouraged to explore fully a film and its supplemental material. There will be a separate thread to include your lists as linked above. A daily journal sort of entry is recommended for your list. Since counting is not required or "scored" in any way, you are free to be as creative as you wish in how you list items. Bolding of your item titles is encouraged, if only to make them stand out to allow others to quickly see if they have seen the same items and wish to comment. Give reviews. Even if it's just a mini-review, a simple :up:/:down:, or a one word description. Be creative and personalize it however you wish - use one post for the whole month, daily posts, weekly posts, give reviews, provide IMDB links, add YouTube videos, add images, etc. It's recommended that you provide a link to your list(s) in your signature for easy access. Last year's List Thread should give you a good idea how participants format their lists. What qualifies?
Check out the full list of Criterion and Eclipse DVD and BD releases here. Criterion's website allows for sorting by Brand, Format, Director, Country, Decade, and Features. This will allow easy searching for working through needed checklist items. There are some titles currently streaming on Netflix, including a number of OOP titles. On rare occasions, you can find an Eclipse title there as well. The Criterion Collection's streaming library moved to FilmStruck in 2017. This is an add-on channel not included in the base FilmStruck subscription. It includes titles that have yet to be issued on physical disc from Criterion; any such film included in this channel is eligible for this challenge (but not anything else on FilmStruck outside the Criterion Channel). Criterion titles occasionally appear on broadcast television. Keep an eye on this discussion thread for upcoming broadcasts. Titles originally released on Criterion Laserdisc are also eligible for the challenge. Optional Checklist The checklist is completely optional. It is just a "fun" inclusion to give one a sense of accomplishment, to help one diversify viewing, or to use as a guide on what to watch next. Each film can count for multiple sections, but only one check mark per section. Example: Pierrot le fou could count for the 1960's in Decades and Jean-Luc Godard in People, but it could not count for Godard and Anna Karina in People. You would need a separate film for Karina. Spoiler:
The challenge officially begins August 31 at dusk in whatever location you are in at the time, and ends on October 1st at dawn in whatever location you are in at that time. Also, feel free to time your final Criterion film(s) to coincide with the start of the Horror Challenge. Online Resources The Criterion Collection Official Pages and Online Stores Criterion.com | Barnes & Noble | Facebook | Google Play | FilmStruck | Tumblr | Twitter | YouTube List of Criterion Collection Laserdisc releases on Wikipedia Every box set and Top 10 list presently on Criterion.com, formatted to be copied and pasted in DVD Talk. CriterionCast iCheckMovies.com The Criterion Collection | The Criterion Collection Signatures | Criterion's Eclipse Collection | Criterion's Eclipse Collection Signatures Flickchart The Criterion Collection | The Criterion Eclipse Titles | Flickchart: The Blog - Criterion Commentaries Travis McClain's Criterion for Noobs Previous DVD Talk Criterion Challenges 2009 Discussion Thread | List Thread | 2010 Discussion Thread | List Thread 2011 Discussion Thread | List Thread | 2012 Discussion Thread | List Thread | 2013 Discussion Thread | List Thread 2014 Discussion Thread | List Thread | 2015 Discussion Thread | List Thread | 2016 Discussion Thread | 2016 List Thread | 2017 Discussion Thread | 2017 List Thread 2018 List Thread |
Re: 2018 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
Janus Films is marking the centennial of Ingmar Bergman's birth with a film festival series this year. Here are the theaters participating during the time of our challenge:
August 30 - September 2 Cary, NC - The Cary Theater September 5 - September 26 Brookline, MA - Coolidge Corner Theatre September 6 - September 21 Philadelphia, PA - International House September 7 - September 16 Louisville, KY - Speed Art Museum September 7 - October 14 Cambridge, MA - Harvard Film Archive September 28 - October 28 Winnipeg, MB - Winnipeg Film Group I'm pretty excited that the Speed Art Museum here in Louisville is showing these. I'm hellbent on seeing Persona and Wild Strawberries, my #1 and #2 Bergman films, respectively. Also, during the winter, I won a Barnes & Noble gift card from a writing competition and treated myself to some stuff during the just-ended Criterion sale there. All stuff I've seen before, but I'm keen to revisit, and to check out the supplements. |
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I shouldn’t make goals that I know will be almost impossible to meet, but 30 unwatched films would be nice.
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Since last year's challenge, Criterion has significantly revamped their website. I've updated the checklist links accordingly and made the following revisions:
I made the decision on eliminating Trailers unilaterally. If there's any strong request to restore it, I'll do so. I'm pretty sure all the links are now working properly, but if anyone finds something that doesn't, let me know. |
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I've tried to add a link to The Criterion Collection in iTunes, but when I test it on my end, I keep encountering a problem. It may be with my cache or something else, so could someone test this and see if it opens correctly in their iTunes Store?
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
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I've tried to add a link to The Criterion Collection in iTunes, but when I test it on my end, I keep encountering a problem. It may be with my cache or something else, so could someone test this and see if it opens correctly in their iTunes Store?
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Can I just say how much I hate, Hate, HATE the Criterion site redesign? Revamping the site was unnecessary and pointless, turning a navigable site into a mess. Losing the My Criterion page was a blow. Feh, I say, feh!
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I started tonight by watching my 19-year-old, pan and scan DVD copy of True Stories. Can't wait to upgrade to the Criterion Blu. Thirty-two years later, I'm struck by how prophetic the bits on technology and conspiracy theories resonate now. The movie is like if David Lynch and Godfrey Reggio had a baby.
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Travis, maybe I'm missing something, but the "Directors" section of the checklist is just to list five different directors whose films we've watched, correct? I ask because I don't see a "Directors" section on the Criterion website any more. So am I just missing the section, or do we just list five directors whose films we've watched?
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Originally Posted by rbrown498
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Travis, maybe I'm missing something, but the "Directors" section of the checklist is just to list five different directors whose films we've watched, correct? I ask because I don't see a "Directors" section on the Criterion website any more. So am I just missing the section, or do we just list five directors whose films we've watched?
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Originally Posted by LJG765
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I hate to answer for Travis, but I know he might not be on here for a bit. Looking at the new checklist, my understanding would be that, yes, you're supposed to watch 5 movies by 5 different directors for that section.
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This made me laugh, and has a relevant reference.
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Late start for me, as usual. But in keeping with traditions, I began with Chungking Express. Fourth time I've watched it for the challenge.
I've been trying to knock out the rest of Spike Lee's filmography lately. I've already seen them, but I may rewatch Do the Right Thing and She's Gotta Have it. I like Criterion's redesigned website, but it's been up for months and My Criterion is still "Under Construction." Also, for anyone who's hesitant, you CANNOT go wrong with Filmstruck. There's way, way more stuff than Criterion ever had on Hulu. They have supplements for a lot of their titles, includine audio commentaries. And I'd guess at least 20% of the titles have never had a DVD release. |
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I'm finally ready to start this challenge. I want to make watching one film from each decade my unofficial goal for this challenge, so I started by seeing what caught my eye in each decade and what was available from my library. I'm in the mood to mark some of Chaplin's work off my "must see" list, so he is featured very heavily for the first 2-3 decades.
I get to the 980s, though, and there it was: The Breakfast Club. When did this get a Criterion treatment?! First, don't get me wrong, I enjoy this movie, but does it really need a Criterion release? The same with Bull Durham... I have a feeling, I'm going to start with this one tonight since I do own a copy of it but, I think it's kind of pushing the boundaries. Of course, I do have to admit to being excited about The Princess Bride getting a new release next month! I'm sure some of you would think the same about this film as I do about The Breakfast Club. |
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Okay, I take it back. I can see why The Breakfast Club was picked. I forgot how sad/dark it gets at times. I always think of it as a comedy, but it's definitely more of a dark comedy/drama than anything else.
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I've been watching Topsy-Turvy tonight. It's about how Sullivan and Gilbert almost broke up their partnership. It's a bit slow paced, but I'm enjoying it overall. There are several segments of their operas being preformed which are enjoyable to watch. It was a fairly random pick based on it's Criterion number, but I'm glad I did.
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If anyone is interested in looking for some Showa era Toho kaiju films, Criterion has released many of them as Starz exclusives. If anyone has Starz On Demand, they are all there under Godzilla films.
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Originally Posted by LJG765
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Okay, I take it back. I can see why The Breakfast Club was picked. I forgot how sad/dark it gets at times. I always think of it as a comedy, but it's definitely more of a dark comedy/drama than anything else.
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Originally Posted by LJG765
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I get to the 980s, though, and there it was: The Breakfast Club. When did this get a Criterion treatment?! First, don't get me wrong, I enjoy this movie, but does it really need a Criterion release? The same with Bull Durham... I have a feeling, I'm going to start with this one tonight since I do own a copy of it but, I think it's kind of pushing the boundaries.
As regards The Breakfast Club, I highly recommend taking a few minutes to read this personal essay that Molly Ringwald wrote for The New Yorker earlier this year about the films she made with John Hughes, as seen with the hindsight of time. The things she spotlights as troublesome are things that bothered me when I first saw The Breakfast Club. It's kind of peculiar to me that mainstream society has begun to catch up to the reactions I had ages ago. Moreover, though, I think the essay is worth reading because it uses these films as a microcosm for the #MeToo movement's impact on us as people unused to looking close enough to see the things that have gone on so casually for so long. When we think of films that might represent the cultural elements finally being challenged in meaningful ways, I don't think John Hughes's films come to mind as examples. For most of us, they've existed in an entirely safe spot in our minds, not "innocent", per se, but overall benign. We recall them as reflecting either our own experiences as teens or the experiences of people we knew as teens. They were films that understood us, which made them our cinematic friends. Ordinarily, I wouldn't bring something that large into a thread. But given that the film has recently received the Criterion treatment around the time Ringwald's essay was published (Criterion discs were released 2 January; the essay was published 6 April), it's the kind of essay that I would honestly expect Criterion would have included in their materials had they had access to it. It's the kind of historical analysis that characterizes the essays they're known for. |
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Originally Posted by davidh777
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Wasn't that a fairly recent addition? I just figured it was one of those "let's release a more popular film to pay the bills" kind of things. :D
Though, I think Criterion could get a broader audience by finding a few more "gateway" movies. Draw them in with a popular name, keep them by showing how well they treat them. |
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Originally Posted by davidh777
(Post 13407706)
Wasn't that a fairly recent addition? I just figured it was one of those "let's release a more popular film to pay the bills" kind of things. :D
Personally, I'm entirely in favor of that. My only caveat is that it would be a shame if mainstream movies began to dominate their library. I don't think that's an especially strong likelihood, though. Plus, it increases the chances that there'll be enough recognizable movies for some of our fellow forum members who have previously shied away from this challenge to reconsider participating! Or, at least, in theory it could do that. |
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
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Does Bull Durham really need a Criterion release? YES.
As regards The Breakfast Club, I highly recommend taking a few minutes to read this personal essay that Molly Ringwald wrote for The New Yorker earlier this year about the films she made with John Hughes, as seen with the hindsight of time. The things she spotlights as troublesome are things that bothered me when I first saw The Breakfast Club. It's kind of peculiar to me that mainstream society has begun to catch up to the reactions I had ages ago. It does highlight how much media helps make actions acceptable or horrific. At the time, no one really thought twice about those actions, but looking back from this point in time, these behaviors immediately stand out as inappropriate. I do still see why Criterion picked this one. Perhaps, like I mentioned a bit earlier, they were looking for a commercial film that was popular to bring new viewers to their brand. John Hughes is a well known and fairly respected name. You say his name, people know who he is. Sixteen Candles is more light-hearted, I would say, than this one. The Breakfast Club is fairly dark. In the article, Ringwald comments that it has a play-like feel, and I can see how that would appeal and have more in common with the majority of Criterion's other films. Should it still have been picked? I'm not sure. It was an important film at the time it was made. John Hughes, as a director, really made an impact with his films, of which, this is a good example. I can understand why someone might want to give it a special treatment. That being said, I doubt I'll watch it any time soon. My image of it has changed quite a bit and not in a positive way. Maybe by re-watching these films and pointing out the flaws will help show more people where they need to change their thinking about how women (and minorities/outsiders) should be treated not only in film, but in real life. |
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Even aside from its content being reexamined, I do believe that The Breakfast Club merits inclusion in the Criterion library. It's a touchstone of movies that spoke to--and for--an entire generation. It's a solid pick to represent that part of its era and zeitgeist. I think the hangup for a lot of people, and I think maybe this is your issue, is that we're still catching up to the fact that our youth has now aged enough to be reconsidered as a past era.
For some context to consider, it has been 33 years since that film was released. Movies that were as old then as it is now include Singin' in the Rain, High Noon, and the final film Charlie Chaplin directed for Universal Artists, Limelight. That's right; The Breakfast Club is as close to Chaplin as it is to today. |
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
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For some context to consider, it has been 33 years since that film was released. Movies that were as old then as it is now include Singin' in the Rain, High Noon, and the final film Charlie Chaplin directed for Universal Artists, Limelight. That's right; The Breakfast Club is as close to Chaplin as it is to today.
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Originally Posted by Travis McClain
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It's worth remembering that in the LaserDisc era, Criterion was keen to issue releases of mainstream movies. It was only when DVD came along and the studios were able to release their movies with supplements themselves that they stopped licensing them to Criterion. As catalog titles have begun to wane on disc, we've begun to see Criterion get back into the mainstream.
Personally, I'm entirely in favor of that. My only caveat is that it would be a shame if mainstream movies began to dominate their library. I don't think that's an especially strong likelihood, though. Plus, it increases the chances that there'll be enough recognizable movies for some of our fellow forum members who have previously shied away from this challenge to reconsider participating! Or, at least, in theory it could do that. I imagine a lot of filmmakers like seeing their work on the prestige Criterion label. |
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