2017 Criterion Challenge Discussion Thread
#76
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First time viewing of Nicolas Roeg's Insignificance was a great time. Not sure exactly how I feel about the film or what it all means, but I know I enjoyed it and that I'll remember parts of it more than most films.
#77
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That's one of my favorite movies! Roeg and the cast make me feel an emotional connection to several of the characters (especially Theresa Russell as Actress) despite the surreal absurdity of the script. When I was teaching Composition, I would sometimes show a short clip of the Actress explaining physics to introduce a lesson on handy rhetorical devices.
#78
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That's one of my favorite movies! Roeg and the cast make me feel an emotional connection to several of the characters (especially Theresa Russell as Actress) despite the surreal absurdity of the script. When I was teaching Composition, I would sometimes show a short clip of the Actress explaining physics to introduce a lesson on handy rhetorical devices.
#79
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I managed to watch 8 Criterion movies and MANY MANY extras, in fact ALL of them on most. I also watched one other documentary on disc and went to the theatre 3 times. But, as today is the start of the Calgary International Film Festival, I have to imagine my Criterion watching has come to an end. It's too bad. I was really enjoying it and still had several on my list that I wanted to watch, including a few I'll have to return to the library unwatched.
Last year I was able to see 37 films during the 13 days of the festival (including one that has already been released by Criterion: Personal Shopper). I have 37 scheduled to see this year as well. I'll have to see how it goes. I'm tired already and haven't even seen the first one yet! lol
Last year I was able to see 37 films during the 13 days of the festival (including one that has already been released by Criterion: Personal Shopper). I have 37 scheduled to see this year as well. I'll have to see how it goes. I'm tired already and haven't even seen the first one yet! lol
#80
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That's one of my favorite movies! Roeg and the cast make me feel an emotional connection to several of the characters (especially Theresa Russell as Actress) despite the surreal absurdity of the script. When I was teaching Composition, I would sometimes show a short clip of the Actress explaining physics to introduce a lesson on handy rhetorical devices.
I managed to watch 8 Criterion movies and MANY MANY extras, in fact ALL of them on most. I also watched one other documentary on disc and went to the theatre 3 times. But, as today is the start of the Calgary International Film Festival, I have to imagine my Criterion watching has come to an end. It's too bad. I was really enjoying it and still had several on my list that I wanted to watch, including a few I'll have to return to the library unwatched.
Last year I was able to see 37 films during the 13 days of the festival (including one that has already been released by Criterion: Personal Shopper). I have 37 scheduled to see this year as well. I'll have to see how it goes. I'm tired already and haven't even seen the first one yet! lol
Last year I was able to see 37 films during the 13 days of the festival (including one that has already been released by Criterion: Personal Shopper). I have 37 scheduled to see this year as well. I'll have to see how it goes. I'm tired already and haven't even seen the first one yet! lol
#81
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That's a cool tool there mr. And yes, it evoked much empathy with "Marilyn" for me. Interesting that Russell and Roeg ended up married after an earlier film together, I'll need to see that one someday.
I guess I didn't look closely at your month with Marilyn back then; assumed it was just actual Marilyn films, love that you included this one too!
Film festivals can be wonderful. I've only done two, but they were among the highlights of my media life. The local horror one changed venues so as to make it three times as expensive with half the films, makes me cry every October just thinking about what it once was.
I guess I didn't look closely at your month with Marilyn back then; assumed it was just actual Marilyn films, love that you included this one too!
Film festivals can be wonderful. I've only done two, but they were among the highlights of my media life. The local horror one changed venues so as to make it three times as expensive with half the films, makes me cry every October just thinking about what it once was.
Calgary has two REALLY good film festivals... The Underground Film Festival in April (that is mostly genre based) and the International Film Festival in September. I try to go to both. In April I see about 20 films at CUFF over 7 days. I've gone to that festival for the last 4 years and this is my 3rd year doing the international one. There's not really a horror one specifically here, but that would be awesome too. My wife wants to send me to Sundance or TIFF one of these years, which would be really cool as well. The problem with TIFF is that it is pretty much the week before the Calgary festival, so I could never do both.
#82
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Chungking Express
Third time watching it for the CC challenge, fifth time over all. It's still free and alive and always happening NOW. And Faye Wong is the original Manic Pixie Dream Girl, but the story is actually from her POV.
A few days later, I watched Fallen Angels, which I didn't know was a kinda/sorta companion film to Chungking.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Am I crazy, or is this the forgotten Spielberg film? Everybody's seen it and everybody knows it's Spielberg. But it feels like Close Encounters always gets overshadowed by the bigger hits or the more critically acclaimed stuff.
It also kind of feels like interest in UFOs has dropped a lot in the last couple of decades. Do we just have more answers for sky phenomena, or are people just not going outside and looking up much anymore?
Multiple Maniacs
Waters's second feature length, but it comes off as barely better than a student film. I don't think B&W works with his early homemade style. I think you need those bright, tacky colors to go with Divine's antics.
I saw Female Trouble a month ago, and that was a great, sleazy, charming good time.
David Lynch: The Art Life
Portrait of an Artist. I knew it would focus primarily on his painting, and that's exactly what it did.
Doeds’ka-den
I've seen about half of Kurosawa's films now. I feel fairly certain this one belongs in the bottom third. I knew it was going to be some goofy caricatures, but how can you romanticize severe poverty so much?
L'avventura
I loved Blow-up, the only other Antonioni film I've seen. I'll keep going with his work, but L'avventura was not a high point for me. Great scenery, though.
Third time watching it for the CC challenge, fifth time over all. It's still free and alive and always happening NOW. And Faye Wong is the original Manic Pixie Dream Girl, but the story is actually from her POV.
A few days later, I watched Fallen Angels, which I didn't know was a kinda/sorta companion film to Chungking.
Close Encounters of the Third Kind
Am I crazy, or is this the forgotten Spielberg film? Everybody's seen it and everybody knows it's Spielberg. But it feels like Close Encounters always gets overshadowed by the bigger hits or the more critically acclaimed stuff.
It also kind of feels like interest in UFOs has dropped a lot in the last couple of decades. Do we just have more answers for sky phenomena, or are people just not going outside and looking up much anymore?
Multiple Maniacs
Waters's second feature length, but it comes off as barely better than a student film. I don't think B&W works with his early homemade style. I think you need those bright, tacky colors to go with Divine's antics.
I saw Female Trouble a month ago, and that was a great, sleazy, charming good time.
David Lynch: The Art Life
Portrait of an Artist. I knew it would focus primarily on his painting, and that's exactly what it did.
Doeds’ka-den
I've seen about half of Kurosawa's films now. I feel fairly certain this one belongs in the bottom third. I knew it was going to be some goofy caricatures, but how can you romanticize severe poverty so much?
L'avventura
I loved Blow-up, the only other Antonioni film I've seen. I'll keep going with his work, but L'avventura was not a high point for me. Great scenery, though.
#83
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Yeah, isn't it odd that once people started having cameras on them 24/7 the sightings of ghosts, UFOs, and Bigfoot dried up?
#84
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I'm watching Identification of a Woman, another Antonioni film, that is a perfect companion to L'avventura, even with similar plot points.
#85
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I've been making my way through The Complete Mr. Arkadin. I've watched the Corinth Version and Confidential Report already, and all supplements on their respective discs. To be honest, I favor the latter cut. I found the scenes of Guy and Zouk intrusive throughout the Corinth Version. They made me feel that I wasn't trusted to keep up with the rather straightforward story, for one thing. They also interfered with the organic development of plot threads.
I'm going to move on to The Complete Edition shortly. Regardless of how I feel about that cut, I can already say I'm glad I finally got hold of this (thanks, Campbell County Public Library, for making it available to me through an interlibrary loan!). It's not one I feel strongly enough about I'm likely to revisit or want to own, but if a theater screened any of its cuts, I'd be keen to attend.
I'm going to move on to The Complete Edition shortly. Regardless of how I feel about that cut, I can already say I'm glad I finally got hold of this (thanks, Campbell County Public Library, for making it available to me through an interlibrary loan!). It's not one I feel strongly enough about I'm likely to revisit or want to own, but if a theater screened any of its cuts, I'd be keen to attend.
#86
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I've been making my way through The Complete Mr. Arkadin. I've watched the Corinth Version and Confidential Report already, and all supplements on their respective discs. To be honest, I favor the latter cut. I found the scenes of Guy and Zouk intrusive throughout the Corinth Version. They made me feel that I wasn't trusted to keep up with the rather straightforward story, for one thing. They also interfered with the organic development of plot threads.
I'm going to move on to The Complete Edition shortly. Regardless of how I feel about that cut, I can already say I'm glad I finally got hold of this (thanks, Campbell County Public Library, for making it available to me through an interlibrary loan!). It's not one I feel strongly enough about I'm likely to revisit or want to own, but if a theater screened any of its cuts, I'd be keen to attend.
I'm going to move on to The Complete Edition shortly. Regardless of how I feel about that cut, I can already say I'm glad I finally got hold of this (thanks, Campbell County Public Library, for making it available to me through an interlibrary loan!). It's not one I feel strongly enough about I'm likely to revisit or want to own, but if a theater screened any of its cuts, I'd be keen to attend.
Of course, I have absolutely no memory of the film itself now, but recall loving it, and should re-visit it.
#87
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I have a vague memory of this set being possibly my first immersion into what makes Criterion Criterion. I'd seen Criterion films before obviously, but this was a (possibly first) time where I immersed myself into the set, and really "studied" the film, thought about the filmmaking process, and read up on it.
Of course, I have absolutely no memory of the film itself now, but recall loving it, and should re-visit it.
Of course, I have absolutely no memory of the film itself now, but recall loving it, and should re-visit it.
Plus, it was even packaged with a reprint of the novel! Alas, the library that loaned me their DVD did not include the novel, so it's the one thing I can't claim to have absorbed over the last few days. (The booklet was also missing, but thankfully Criterion posts their essays online.)
As for the Comprehensive Edition cut that I watched last night, I can easily get behind the argument that it's as definitive as one could ask given the circumstances. I complained previously that I found the frequent present-day scenes intrusive in the Corinth Version and that I favored the Confidential Report cut for removing them. Oddly, I found them more acceptable and even appreciated them being restored for this cut.
I think the key reason they worked better for me here is that some of the sequences were rearranged from those other two cuts. The story felt more organic overall, and because of this, the present-day scenes weren't jarring interruptions.
I've changed my mind about my interest in this set. It's currently DVD only, but if/when they should issue it on Blu-ray, that will go on my wishlist. As you said, Trevor, it's a fantastic edition for actually beginning to study a film. I would be interested to come back to it every now and again and see what all may stand out to me in subsequent viewings of the different cuts.
#88
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I don't know how accurate the assessment is, as I've never seen the movie myself, but I just read an interesting blog entry where the author suggested Miami Vice was long overdue for the Criterion treatment. I don't have the link, but if anyone wants to read it, just do a search for Miami Vice Criterion Collection. He made quite a few good points in his article.
#89
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Thanks Trevor, for letting me know some of the other places you can find Criterion content. I was looking on YouTube, and discovered that Fishing With John is on YouTube. I just finished the first episode where he was with Jim Jarmusch, fishing for sharks off Montauk Island.
#90
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But to get back to the spirit of Dr. Mantle's question, I think we collectively aren't "going outside and looking up much anymore". I attribute this in large part to the U.S. government de-emphasizing space exploration over the last several decades. I was born in 1978. I hear about the space race of the 60's and the awe and wonder it inspired, and I don't believe it was just because no previous generation had ever done it. I believe it was also because it was made to feel like a collective achievement. I've often heard people who were around for those things say, "We went to the moon." They felt included in that.
Throughout my own lifetime, though, the attitude has often been that NASA was a big waste of everyone's money ("What did we get? A couple of rocks? Big deal!") and that if anyone gives a damn about space exploration, they should get some money and do it through a capitalist venture. There's no "we" in what a business may do unless you're an employee. That's a much smaller demographic than everyone in the country feeling part of something conceived and carried out by their duly elected government.
The damage done to our sense of wonder hasn't come through slashed funding. It's come from our people being told time and again that space exploration is frivolous. Look at the reaction to Richard Branson's plans to go into space. It's lofty, but it also comes off as little more than a novelty for the uber-rich to indulge in than as something for humanity to celebrate.
#91
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Last night I watched the very funny comedy The In-Laws. It stars Peter Falk and Alan Arkin. As I stated in my Letterboxd, it's "a hilarious late 70's comedy that became more hysterically funny the more it tried to play it straight. Definitely worth checking out."
#92
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As we close in on the final days, how's everyone's challenge going? Find any gems? Any remaining goals you're going to push to reach?
When this challenge is over, I think it'd be neat if everyone* would share one film from what they watched during this year's challenge they think others ought to make a point to watch. Could be fun to come back to those recommendations next year!
*Everyone meaning those who care to participate. We run a low-pressure operation here.
When this challenge is over, I think it'd be neat if everyone* would share one film from what they watched during this year's challenge they think others ought to make a point to watch. Could be fun to come back to those recommendations next year!
*Everyone meaning those who care to participate. We run a low-pressure operation here.
#93
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A few days ago, I asked Travis for another suggestion of something to watch and he suggested, 45 Years. His feelings were that while I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much as he had, I should enjoy it and at worse be neutral toward it. I have to admit to being indifferent. I didn't hate it but I didn't really enjoy it.
The movie follows a couple that is about to celebrate their 45th wedding anniversary. A few days before the party, the husband receives a letter that upsets their lives unexpectedly. The whole movie has a very melancholic feel to it. Maybe I just wasn't in the right mood to watch it, but it just didn't grab me. I can understand why this made it into the Criterion Collection, but I truly don't have any strong feelings about it other than the end feels a little too abrupt, like nothing was truly resolved and that there should be another movie following to see what happened next.
Travis, I think I'll stick with my previous selection of Harold and Maude as my recommendation!
The movie follows a couple that is about to celebrate their 45th wedding anniversary. A few days before the party, the husband receives a letter that upsets their lives unexpectedly. The whole movie has a very melancholic feel to it. Maybe I just wasn't in the right mood to watch it, but it just didn't grab me. I can understand why this made it into the Criterion Collection, but I truly don't have any strong feelings about it other than the end feels a little too abrupt, like nothing was truly resolved and that there should be another movie following to see what happened next.
Travis, I think I'll stick with my previous selection of Harold and Maude as my recommendation!
#94
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As we close in on the final days, how's everyone's challenge going? Find any gems? Any remaining goals you're going to push to reach?
When this challenge is over, I think it'd be neat if everyone* would share one film from what they watched during this year's challenge they think others ought to make a point to watch. Could be fun to come back to those recommendations next year!
*Everyone meaning those who care to participate. We run a low-pressure operation here.
When this challenge is over, I think it'd be neat if everyone* would share one film from what they watched during this year's challenge they think others ought to make a point to watch. Could be fun to come back to those recommendations next year!
*Everyone meaning those who care to participate. We run a low-pressure operation here.
#95
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A few days ago, I asked Travis for another suggestion of something to watch and he suggested, 45 Years. His feelings were that while I probably wouldn't enjoy it as much as he had, I should enjoy it and at worse be neutral toward it. I have to admit to being indifferent. I didn't hate it but I didn't really enjoy it.
The movie follows a couple that is about to celebrate their 45th wedding anniversary. A few days before the party, the husband receives a letter that upsets their lives unexpectedly. The whole movie has a very melancholic feel to it. Maybe I just wasn't in the right mood to watch it, but it just didn't grab me. I can understand why this made it into the Criterion Collection, but I truly don't have any strong feelings about it other than the end feels a little too abrupt, like nothing was truly resolved and that there should be another movie following to see what happened next.
I felt the conflict developed organically, too, which has not been the case for me with a lot of movies. Usually there's a sense that something happens because the structure of the story needs that thing to happen, rather than because it's where the characters would go next with their journey. 45 Years is a slow burn, and while it does lead to an explosion of sorts, it's a much smaller scale explosion than I think we're used to in film, and I think that's another part that endeared it to me.
Travis, I think I'll stick with my previous selection of Harold and Maude as my recommendation!
#96
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As we close in on the final days, how's everyone's challenge going? Find any gems? Any remaining goals you're going to push to reach?
When this challenge is over, I think it'd be neat if everyone* would share one film from what they watched during this year's challenge they think others ought to make a point to watch. Could be fun to come back to those recommendations next year!
*Everyone meaning those who care to participate. We run a low-pressure operation here.
When this challenge is over, I think it'd be neat if everyone* would share one film from what they watched during this year's challenge they think others ought to make a point to watch. Could be fun to come back to those recommendations next year!
*Everyone meaning those who care to participate. We run a low-pressure operation here.
No real goals left now that that checklist is complete, other than perhaps finding a new-to-me item to qualify for the crossover Horror period. Don't think that exists, except perhaps as an unlistened to commentary track.
Gems? Several, mostly Harold and Maude. More on those later hopefully.
#97
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I'd say the gem of the month so far, is the original, classic, Gojira. While Godzilla:
King Of The Monsters is a typical 50s atomic monster movie, the original Japanese version is a deep, thought provoking anti nuclear allegory.
King Of The Monsters is a typical 50s atomic monster movie, the original Japanese version is a deep, thought provoking anti nuclear allegory.
#98
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Well, you didn't hate it so I'm calling it a win! :P
I would certainly agree that "melancholic" is an appropriate characterization of this one, but I would like to qualify that by clarifying that it isn't a monotonous downer. It's about the husband processing something difficult and the wife processing the husband's processing. There's a vulnerability here that resonated with me.
I felt the conflict developed organically, too, which has not been the case for me with a lot of movies. Usually there's a sense that something happens because the structure of the story needs that thing to happen, rather than because it's where the characters would go next with their journey. 45 Years is a slow burn, and while it does lead to an explosion of sorts, it's a much smaller scale explosion than I think we're used to in film, and I think that's another part that endeared it to me.
I dig that you dug that one. I know this particular challenge is more miss than hit for you, so it's exciting for me on a personal level when you have a hit!
I would certainly agree that "melancholic" is an appropriate characterization of this one, but I would like to qualify that by clarifying that it isn't a monotonous downer. It's about the husband processing something difficult and the wife processing the husband's processing. There's a vulnerability here that resonated with me.
I felt the conflict developed organically, too, which has not been the case for me with a lot of movies. Usually there's a sense that something happens because the structure of the story needs that thing to happen, rather than because it's where the characters would go next with their journey. 45 Years is a slow burn, and while it does lead to an explosion of sorts, it's a much smaller scale explosion than I think we're used to in film, and I think that's another part that endeared it to me.
I dig that you dug that one. I know this particular challenge is more miss than hit for you, so it's exciting for me on a personal level when you have a hit!
Spoiler:
So yeah, pretty ambivalent on this one!
You are right that I tend to have more misses than hits in the Criterion Challenge. But the hits really do make up for the misses! It's why I keep plugging along with it.
I did also enjoy King Kong this year. Still think Harold and Maude is better, but I think Kong is a good gateway movie into the challenge for those not quite sure about it.
#99
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I'm 20 films deep into the film festival I'm attending, but I'll take a moment to say that I really enjoyed Punch-Drunk Love. It wasn't my first viewing of it, but it really struck me this time. I ordered the Blu-ray version of it right after I watched the library version of the DVD. Just had to have it.
I also bought Lost In America during the month and preordered The Lure, Vampyr and Jabberwocky.
I also bought Lost In America during the month and preordered The Lure, Vampyr and Jabberwocky.
#100
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I realized I hadn't watched The Black Stallion yet this challenge so I decided to today. I have always been a fan of this movie since first saw it. I think it must have been the movie that introduced the idea that people make movies out of books. It was also likely it introduced me to the idea that the two sometimes have a lot of differences!
Love the filmography on this movie. Everything is very grand. Francis Ford Coppola made it so you don't miss the dialogue-instead of being spoken, it's being shown.
That being said, I have to admit to being a bit disappointed in the Criterion treatment of this film. Some of the picture is very clear and crisp, but a lot is still very grainy and makes me feel like I'm still watching the movie on my tiny little 13 inch TV on the VCR. One of the scenes has Alec staring up at the blue sky with white puffy clouds and it's just horrible. It could almost be considered static. :/
There is an included essay but it's on the back of a large poster of Alec and the Black which makes it hard to read. I'm also worried about tearing it or snagging it as it's pretty large when unfolded.
The other bonus features include supplemental films and an interview with the director of photography. I have to look again for the interview as I didn't see it on first go through of the menus before the film started.
It would have been nice to have some commentary on here about the filming of it or something on Mickey Rooney as he died about a year before this came out on Criterion.
I guess I've seen some of the extras Criterion has put together for other films and wish this was treated just a little better, but I'm sure that's more to do with my fondness for the film than anything...
Love the filmography on this movie. Everything is very grand. Francis Ford Coppola made it so you don't miss the dialogue-instead of being spoken, it's being shown.
That being said, I have to admit to being a bit disappointed in the Criterion treatment of this film. Some of the picture is very clear and crisp, but a lot is still very grainy and makes me feel like I'm still watching the movie on my tiny little 13 inch TV on the VCR. One of the scenes has Alec staring up at the blue sky with white puffy clouds and it's just horrible. It could almost be considered static. :/
There is an included essay but it's on the back of a large poster of Alec and the Black which makes it hard to read. I'm also worried about tearing it or snagging it as it's pretty large when unfolded.
The other bonus features include supplemental films and an interview with the director of photography. I have to look again for the interview as I didn't see it on first go through of the menus before the film started.
It would have been nice to have some commentary on here about the filming of it or something on Mickey Rooney as he died about a year before this came out on Criterion.
I guess I've seen some of the extras Criterion has put together for other films and wish this was treated just a little better, but I'm sure that's more to do with my fondness for the film than anything...