Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Probably not! :)

I suspect I was actually thinking of the TNG episode where Riker's on trial for killing Professor someone.

There's an episode of DS9 which is mostly a Sisko monologue about Section 7 where he argues himself around from having done something awful to somwthing necessary. And that feels so like a deliberate reference to something famous that I think my mind jumped in too early and thought the wrong thing...

Probably my mind then...

Oh. I see... that's more awkward then.

Many of these are stretches...! ;)

You're right though. There's a general sense of rebels against stronger forces (SW) through the whole show - particularly with the Defiance - but specifics are hazier.

I though it was references IN not TO - though both lists are around - but in any case the only one that stood out is Akira, which isn't CC anymore.

There's at leaat one episode with Andrew Robinson where someone heads off to find a shadowy figure who may or may not be dead. Intrigue and layers of subterfuge that seemed very Third Man.

Fallen Idol reminds me of Nog finding the flaws in both his father and Quark, plus I'm sure there are parallels with Sisko and son, too.

Oh, what about Benjamin Button and Miles' daughter's rapid aging?

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Is anyone else planning to start this evening? I'm often on the fence when it comes to the dusk starting times, and I usually don't make it a point to find acceptable material. If left to my own devices this evening, I would probably bake a potato, roast some asparagus, and watch 2 Fast 2 Furious since I watched the first film last night. However, my Movie Night friends and I decided to move our weekly gathering to Mondays, so I'm going to go over after work for dinner and De Palma's Blow Out. Thankfully The Canon, Devin Faraci and Amy Nicholson's podcast, did an episode on the film; I'm not sure I would have sought it out otherwise.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'm unlikely to start tonight, partly because I'm about halfway through the fourth season of <I>Deep Space Nine</I>, and partly because I'm knackered and don't think I have it in me to delve into anything cerebral or emotionally affecting today.

Nor, for that matter, do I even have a list of goals outside of wanting this to be the year I finally complete the checklist.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

No real plan or goals for me this year. Just my usual ~1 film a week that I'll try to make a Criterion.

Still hope to open the Watership Down BD tonight though, for some double credit.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'm going to start tonight with Red River because it's the last criterion I bought and it's still sitting next to the tv. After that, I have to venture into my theater room to look for stuff. I keep thinking I only have about a half dozen titles I've bought that I need to watch but then I remember I have the Zatoichi set, so I won't be hurting for things to watch all month.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'm almost finished with the second season. Today, I watched "Profit and Loss", the Casablanca-inspired episode that you mentioned earlier. It's a very enjoyable episode. Deep Space Nine is quickly becoming my favorite Trek series. Good luck on the list you're curating. I'll let you know if I notice any other Criterion influences.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I was thinking of Watership Down too but I think I'm going to start with New Tale of Zatoichi, the 3rd film of the Zatoichi film series. I haven't progressed much in the Animation Challenge so won't start on the last day.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'm thinking of watching Jason and the Argonauts tonight. Haven't made any decisions past that.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

My OCD won't let me start before midnight, as it's not actually September until then.

Yeah...I have issues.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I can't imagine getting started tonight, mainly because I'm halfway through Fargo, Season 1. I think we started the dusk/dawn times for overlaps between challenges, which I think is a great way to encourage new people into new challenges. It's primarily why I joined the horror challenge a few years back.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I just broke out the Watership Down blu-ray now that it is dusk to get the challenge started with some dual-counting goodness. Somehow I can't recall having ever seen this film despite it being a classic and having come out a week before my birth so I was definitely the appropriate age to have seen it eventually.

My main goal, like it has been the past couple Criterion challenges, is to complete the checklist. I have mostly blu-rays from my Criterion backlog that fulfill all but two of the requirements, so that aspect of actually watching the stuff I buy will be nice too. We'll see how much I deviate from the pre-selected titles. Anyways, I am looking forward to another fun Criterion challenge.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

It's already past midnight for half the planet, and many of the participants here. Join them!
A first time viewing? Oh how I envy you.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I just finished watching Watership Down for double credit. I thought it was a very good film with some realistic violence in it. I've got to do some research and try to figure out if the original film was really 101 minutes. The Criterion Blu-Ray is only 92 minutes and I've read conflicting reports on the original length.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

So I started off the challenge with New Tale of Zatoichi. First of the Zatoichi films to be in colour and works wonderfully. Plot wise is not much different from previous films and I get a sense that it won't change in the latter ones too. Love Shintaro Katsu portrayal of Zatoichi and is the main reason why I will be sticking with film series.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Just FYI, TCM is having a Godard night on the 16th. Titles include Breathless, Masculine Feminin, Alphaville and Pierrot Le Fou.

There's also a Criterion title showing every Sunday night this month on their TCM Imports feature. This Sunday night/ Monday morning is Kurosawa's The Idiot.

Criterion on TCM (Eastern time)

Friday 9/4 8:00 PM The Bank Dick (1940), Spine #78
Sunday 9/6 2:00 PM Heaven Can Wait (1943), Spine #291

Monday 9/7 2:45 AM The Idiot (1960) Eclipse #7, Postwar Kurosawa
Monday 9/7 9:45 AM Yoyo (1965) Pierre Etaix Box Set Spine #655
Monday 9/7 2:30 PM Bergman Island (2006) Spine #455
Monday 9/7 4:00 PM Smiles of a Summer Night (1955) Spine #237

Tuesday 9/8 1:45 AM The Tin Drum (1979) Spine #234

Wednesday 9/9 8:00 PM 3:10 to Yuma (1957) Spine #657

Friday 9/11 11:15 AM Cat People (1942) Laserdisc #233

Monday 9/14 4:15 AM Eyes Without a Face (1960) Spine #260

Wednesday 9/16 8:00 PM Breathless (2006) Spine #408
Wednesday 9/16 10:15 PM Pierrot Le Fou (1965) Spine #421

Thursday 9/17 12:15 AM Masculin Féminin (1966) Spine #308
Thursday 9/17 2:15 AM Alphaville (1965) Spine #25
Thursday 9/17 4:15 AM A Woman Is a Woman (1961) Spine #238

Friday 9/18 8:15 AM The Asphalt Jungle (1950) Laserdisc #26

Saturday 9/19 1:15 PM Jason and the Argonauts (1963) Laserdisc #160
Saturday 9/19 8:00 PM The Red Shoes (1948) Spine #44

Monday 9/21 2:45 AM Amarcord (1973) Spine #4

Tuesday 9/22 3:30 PM 2001: A Space Odyssey (1968) Laserdisc #60

Friday 9/25 11:45 AM Diary of a Country Priest (1951) Spine #222
Friday 9/25 3:30 PM Pickpocket (1959) Spine #314
Friday 9/25 6:15 PM Au hasard, Balthazar (1966) Spine #297

Sunday 9/27 3:45 AM Hausu (1977) Spine #539

Monday 9/28 3:00 AM The Confession (1970), Spine #759

Wednesday 9/30 11:30 AM I Know Where I'm Going (1945) Spine #94
Wednesday 9/30 3:15 PM Tales of Hoffman (1951) Spine #317

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Interesting. If the following link/imdb thread is correct, then it's always/only been 92 minutes:
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0078480/...nest/221891989

Watched it and the supplements last night. What a great film. Makes me want to re-read the novel yet again.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I can't move today, due to my back acting up again. Plan to watch a lot of TV today, at least some of which will be Criterion eligible content. I was too exhausted to watch anything more than half hour cartoons last night, so still haven't started.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Thanks for that schedule, Gobear. Idiot and Confession are the only ones I haven't seen yet.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I've seen a number of Zatoichi films in past challenges. They're all good and I'd especially recommend FIGHT, ZATOICHI, FIGHT, which, despite the title, has less action than usual and focuses on Zatoichi's efforts to take care of a baby put in his charge and his attempts to find a woman (usually at a brothel) who can help him. It's quite funny in parts.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

He's one of those directors I could never get into and can see his techniques (which endlessly annoy me) in his films and figure out it's him before looking it up to make sure. Ingmar Bergman is another, as well as Jesús Franco.

I'd say the latter would never get a Criterion release but this is the same company that thought Armageddon was good, so I await their release of either Jack the Ripper or Ilsa, She Wolf of the SS.

I ended up not getting to watch anything for the challenge last night :(

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

The only Godard film I have any real love for is ALPHAVILLE, which I've seen a number of times and purports to be science fiction. It also used a popular character from French detective films, Lemmy Caution, and even cast the actor who played the part, American expatriate Eddie Constantine. It would be as if Robert Altman or Bob Rafelson had made a Matt Helm or Derek Flint film in their unique styles in 1971 but with the same actors (Dean Martin, James Coburn) from the original series.

But in film school, we had to see all the Godards and then debate them. I had difficulty with them back then, but I dutifully saw them all. Some of them have cute and charming moments, e.g. MASCULIN FEMININ (with the adorable Chantal Goya) and PIERROT LE FOU (check out the scene where Belmondo entertains a group of American sailors with his impression of an American tough guy: "Oh yeah! Goddamn! AHL-ee WOOD!") Plus, Anna Karina, his then-wife, is in some of his films and you can't go wrong with her.

I tend to like the idea of Godard more than his films themselves. I love his writings on film and his interviews, either in print or on TV.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I actually decided to start with Armageddon. Main thing I took away from it was Michael Bay loves explosions, and also hates Godzilla, if you catch that reference anyone.

Not a good movie by any means, but good for a mindless action popcorn and beer flick.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I have the same problem when watching Goddard's films. I need to devote some time to sitting down with his films and some reading material and really grappling with his style and themes.

I don't feel the same about Bergman; some of his films are among my favorites. When I first saw Persona, I found a filmmaker whose aesthetic and themes mirrored what happens in my head.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

The main thing that turns me off about him, as well as many indie films, is the pattern of slow burn just to have a big payoff at the end that involves something sexual and/or really violent. A lot of times, it feels like the ending is what's first come up with and then it's just a matter of figuring out something to lead up to it. It's not shocking to me, so the only impact it ends up having is "at the end, something finally happens". Jeanne Dielman, 23 quai du Commerce, 1080 Bruxelles and Happiness are two examples off the top of my head.

The other type of film I can't stand are things like Waking Life. When I watch that, I can't help but think someone took Sociology 101 at a community college and now they're an expert on people.

Back to Michael Bay, I liked The Rock and wonder if he just got dropped on his head or something because that film seems like a one-off for him.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'm gonna start off with Androcles and the Lion. I only saw bits of it when I was a kid, but I remember it being hilarious.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

My goal for this challenge (outside of completing the list) is to participate in the discussion more. I've got three little ones that keep me busy as well but I'm going to try to be more involved this year anyway. My middle child is 5 and she squeels whenever I tell her she gets to watch a new Criterion.

Goddard is hit or miss for me. Sometimes I feel like he is deliberatley antagonizing his audience. While I find that amusing...I don't always find it an enjoable viewing experience.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I finished watching the supplements for Watership Down today. I have personally come to the same conclusion that Trevor quoted, that is, that the 92 minute version is the complete version. I was disappointed with the supplements that were supplied except for the interview with Guillermo del Toro and the essay by Gerard Jones. The interview was really too short but the essay was quite good. It's on to either Cronos or the Blob, I'm not sure which yet.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'll probably finish the first audio commentary for Armageddon tomorrow. It seems I can only take very long movies in small doses. Two things I've learned so far was the Godzilla toy destruction scene in the beginning was a jab at how bad the 1998 Godzilla tanked, and the love story was tacked on due to the popularity of Titanic at the time.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

The love story was the worst part. I can't even finish it because of that.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Criterion (mostly ex-CC) films currently free on Amazon Prime*:

..probably more. Someone needs to add a "CC" keyword at IMDb so this is an easier search..! ;)



*or, at least, this is what my phone is telling me...

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Netflix also has the fairly recent CC "Two Days, One Night".

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Netflix also has Caesar and Cleopatra.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'm with you on this. Long movies I can only take in small doses. I just can't sit through more than one or two without needing to take a long break in-between.

Thanks for this list! I'm starting this challenge a little later this week as I need a break, but I see at least a couple films that are on my to see list and that will definitely help me do that.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Apparently, I wasn't as prepared as I normally am to start the challenge this year. I watched the new release Two Nights, One Day because Marion Cotillard is amazing. Yesterday I watched Modern Times at work because it plays well as a muted film. But when I got home last night, I realized I had no other unwatched Criterions in my collection. So I made it a Marty Night and listened to the laserdisc commentaries of Taxi Driver and Raging Bull. I'm off to the library after work to pick up a whole stash of CC flicks.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I started the challenge off last night with The Harder They Come. I dug it. About 10 minutes in I turned on the subtitles. It was pretty crazy, kinda like flipping a switch in my brain. With the words running below it was suddenly much easier to understand what they were saying.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

I'd love to watch my WEST SIDE STORY Blu-ray for this Challenge, but I had no idea it was a Criterion title. My Blu-ray is MGM. I've never seen it on the shelves at B&N during their Criterion 50% off sales. I wonder what extras Criterion has got...

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

If anyone needs help with the "Watch a Criterion not on DVD" part, here is a list of all Criterion laserdiscs, with those that never made it to DVD checked. How did Jason and the Argonauts not make the transition? To avenge this terrible insult, I'm watching it next.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Criterion's West Side Story release was a laserdisc. It's one of the films that they released in that format but never gained the rights to do a DVD and/or BD version.

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

When I first rented a VHS copy of this in the 90's, only certain lines were subtitled. After re-watching the movie on (Criterion) DVD, I realized that everyone (Aside from the radio DJ) needed subtitles!

Re: 7th Annual Criterion Challenge - Discussion Thread
 

Should have clarified that, thanks for doing so! :)

I think the only current Prime/CC crossover is My Man Godfrey (assuming the PD version is still at Amazon). They've had Last Emperor and Time Bandits in the past, but there's usually only EX-CC (i.e. laserdisc) titles available free at Amazon.